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Ted Ginn Jr.

Hey Boomer thanks for stopping in, always nice to have the Gurus drop into the draft forum to talk some talent :)

Big Brady Quinn fan here, but yeah if hes gone I wouldnt mind Ginn at all. That kind of speed is invaluable-the guy is just an amazing athlete. Perhaps a little raw, but still, I think he could be an impact player from day 1. Definately more in favor of drafting him over Levi Brown.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a Big Board, or at least your top few (realistic) options for the Phins?
 
I said alleged durability issues.


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hes injured right now and scared to run for the sake of a tenth of a second. Sounds like a guy who would be out of football in the long term to me. But what Do I know?


Go for Ginn, whats the diff if our Oline is still lacking. We have four WR's right now as we speak. If we get Ginn, you can make damn sure he will be a return man. I think it would be a big mistake drafting this guy at 9. I think Finhaeven loves flashy guys and doesnt like unsung hero types. Whatever. Everyone would disapear as soon as reality hits.
 
hes injured right now and scared to run for the sake of a tenth of a second. Sounds like a guy who would be out of football in the long term to me. But what Do I know?


Go for Ginn, whats the diff if our Oline is still lacking. We have four WR's right now as we speak. If we get Ginn, you can make damn sure he will be a return man. I think it would be a big mistake drafting this guy at 9. I think Finhaeven loves flashy guys and doesnt like unsung hero types. Whatever. Everyone would disapear as soon as reality hits.

How is he scared to run? Everyone knows this kid can fly, why risk the healing process just to show off? He goes out, runs and blows out his ankle again because he didnt let it heal and what then? And aside from that, what durability issues are you getting? The fact that he is "small"? Plenty of players his size that arent injury prone just because they are small.

And actually, id say there are more finfans who are dead set against getting an amazing playmaker to take a second rate OLineman. Honestly our OLine isnt as bad as everyone keeps spouting off and there is some great depth here to be had in the second round and later. One could say the same for WRs, but then I think Ginn is miles ahead of Brown in what they could do for this team.
 
Something Other Than A Kick-returner????

Too small, not worth the number 9 pick, another Desmond Howard/Peter Warrick. If he is the guy we want we better trade down to #20 or so where he'll go and get som extra picks so we can get someone that will contribute as something but a kick returner.

Playmaking is all about opportunities. If you don't get the opportunity you can't make a play. If Chris Chambers can't get open or the QB can't get him the ball he won't make any plays.

In a given game there are at least 2 KICKOFF RETURNS AND 4 PUNT RETURN OPPORTUNITIES! It only takes 1 out of those 6 opportunities to change the complex or outcome of a game. Chambers touched the ball an average of 4 times or less a game last year.

Throw in the opportunities where you can put him in the backfield on passing plays ala Reggie Bush (How Many Receptions did Bush have last year?), or the opportunities where he may be involved in the regular passing game and you have a player who has the opportunity to make something happen a minimum of 8-9 times a game. That's twice as many opportunities as Chambers.

If there aren't serious concerns about Ginn Jr's hands, vision, and concentration then I would select him with the #9 pick if he is available. If he is not available then I would pick Landry because he can be the Ginn Jr of our defense. A playmaker!
 
hes injured right now and scared to run for the sake of a tenth of a second. Sounds like a guy who would be out of football in the long term to me. But what Do I know?


Go for Ginn, whats the diff if our Oline is still lacking. We have four WR's right now as we speak. If we get Ginn, you can make damn sure he will be a return man. I think it would be a big mistake drafting this guy at 9. I think Finhaeven loves flashy guys and doesnt like unsung hero types. Whatever. Everyone would disapear as soon as reality hits.

I have to agree with you in regards to Ginn.I don't even know if he was the best receiver on his team last year
GINN.59 CATCHES FOR 781 YARDS..9TDS
GONZALEZ 51 CATCHES FOR 734 YRDS..8TDS

PRETTY CLOSE NUMBERS IF YOU ASK ME........

but yes Ginn is a return specialist with
18 kickoff returns and 1 td in 2006
24 punt returns with 1 td in 2006

Not that impressive only 2 tds...I know it's better than what we have had but for a number 9 pick I want a RECEIVER THAT IS A RETURN SPECIALIST
NOT A RETURN SPECIALIST THAT MAY HELP AT RECEIVER

IN 37 GAMES GINN WAS THROWN TO ONLY 6 TIMES WHILE IN THE RED ZONE...seems to me the coaches knew something here.

Ginn has very little lateral cutting ability ...yes he may go from point "a" to point "b" in a straight line faster than anyone in the draft but don't ask him to make any cuts and his route running ability is not very good to say the least

I have my doubts regarding GINN and you should also
at number 9
 
Ginn has very little lateral cutting ability ...yes he may go from point "a" to point "b" in a straight line faster than anyone in the draft but don't ask him to make any cuts and his route running ability is not very good to say the least

I have my doubts regarding GINN and you should also
at number 9

Wow, you must have been watching different video of this guy than I did, I saw a guy cutting whichever way was neccesary to break plays, in fact, his cutting ability looked superior to Devin Hester's, at least that is my perception.
 
Ginn won't go before 9. Not with not being able to work out.

Great job Boomer!! Secon post ever, question: How far down could we drop and still land Ginn, especially if someone is in love w/ Landry, Anderson, or Adams, asuming 1 of them is still out there?

Bleeding aqua & Orange
 
I have to agree with you in regards to Ginn.I don't even know if he was the best receiver on his team last year
GINN.59 CATCHES FOR 781 YARDS..9TDS
GONZALEZ 51 CATCHES FOR 734 YRDS..8TDS

PRETTY CLOSE NUMBERS IF YOU ASK ME........

but yes Ginn is a return specialist with
18 kickoff returns and 1 td in 2006
24 punt returns with 1 td in 2006

Not that impressive only 2 tds...I know it's better than what we have had but for a number 9 pick I want a RECEIVER THAT IS A RETURN SPECIALIST
NOT A RETURN SPECIALIST THAT MAY HELP AT RECEIVER

IN 37 GAMES GINN WAS THROWN TO ONLY 6 TIMES WHILE IN THE RED ZONE...seems to me the coaches knew something here.

Ginn has very little lateral cutting ability ...yes he may go from point "a" to point "b" in a straight line faster than anyone in the draft but don't ask him to make any cuts and his route running ability is not very good to say the least

I have my doubts regarding GINN and you should also
at number 9


Couldn't agree more. We are talking about a Top 10 receiver here. When I think that, I think Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, and Calvin Johnson. These guys were practically guaranteed Number 1's before they were even drafted. They were men playing amongst boys in college.

When I see Ginn Jr., even when I see highlight clips, I don't necessarily think that.

I also think that the Devin Hester hype is really starting to overvalue the "return specialist" concept. Anybody remember Dante Hall? What about that beer truck driver for New Orleans? How many guys actually continue to have years like Hester did after the first one? I'm not saying Hester won't run a few back this year, but I just think everyone is jumping on the bandwagon because it's the new "in" thing. The fact is . . . Hester can't play CB and if his return production falls all of a sudden he wasn't such a steal in the 2nd.

Ginn Jr. does not strike me as a franchise Number 1 wide receiver. I think his stock is overvalued because of his return abilities. Had Hester not had the year he had last year, we would be talking about Ginn Jr. going in the middle to late first round.

Just my opinion.
 
we'd be making a huge mistake passing up on some of the players that will be available to take a really fast #2 WR at ninth overall. Like i've said...... yes, Ginn would be a huge pickup and we could sure use him......... but a better pick will be there.
 
Of course, I want Brady Quinn, but I'm not too sold on Ginn. When healthy he could be a good speedster at KR and as a #2 or #3 WR. But he's not really a go-to WR especially in the endzone. I think he's someone who'll return kicks and punts and maybe put up 500-600 yards and a handful of TD's. I have Sidney Rice, who I think has the potential to be a good #1 WR, tabbed with one of our 2nd rounders should Staley be out of our grasp.
 
hes injured right now and scared to run for the sake of a tenth of a second. Sounds like a guy who would be out of football in the long term to me. But what Do I know?


Go for Ginn, whats the diff if our Oline is still lacking. We have four WR's right now as we speak. If we get Ginn, you can make damn sure he will be a return man. I think it would be a big mistake drafting this guy at 9. I think Finhaeven loves flashy guys and doesnt like unsung hero types. Whatever. Everyone would disapear as soon as reality hits.

Levi Brown won't improve the offensive line.
 
Sorry Boomer....but he's too light in the back end...and he's hurt....as we chat....what happens when a 215 pound safety hits him. I could see him in the later half of the first round...but at 9....no way.


Negatives: Has a wiry build with a lean frame, split high with long legs, lacking the bulk or strength to consistently beat press coverage...Plays with suddenness, but lacks the lateral agility to come out of his breaks cleanly and needs to improve his footwork, especially in stop-and-go action...Instinctive returner, but needs to vary his speed when running routes... While he is explosive in the open field, his concentration tends to be a bit inconsistent, as he hears the sounds of the defender's footsteps working over the middle...Must do a better job of securing the ball on receptions before turning up field (will drop a few when he tries to run before grasping the ball... Lacks the strength to power his way through the press and needs to be more active with his hands on release...Must be more alert working underneath for when the quarterback is going to deliver the ball, but does a nice job of looking the throw in over his outside shoulder without having to break stride...Moves well left or right, but shows only adequate hip snap on his lateral moves...When he is up against the press, he tends to take false steps and ****s his arms before firing, but he has enough speed to compensate...Sometimes that speed gets him into trouble, as he runs so fast he might miss a cut or look sloppy trying to plant-and-drive...His cuts look too choppy and he looks tight in his hips making body turns...Looks a little too stiff in his hips when moving laterally, so he is not a great multiple cut runner...Shows very good vision to track the ball in flight, but will struggle some in tough-to-catch spots...Not much of a red-zone threat, as he had only six passes thrown to him in that area through 37 games.

Compares To: DANTE HALL-Kansas City...Like Hall, Ginn appears to be a quality return specialist who can contribute some as a receiver rather than a receiver who can contribute some as a return specialist. He is very effective on quick slants and screens and tracks the ball well over his head, but with his lack of strength and inability to defeat the press, he will struggle to get a clean release and into his routes at the next level. He seems hesitant to go over the middle as a receiver and the sound of the defender's footsteps tends to see him lose concentration. Still, he is an electrifying returner who could bring decent value in multiple receiver formations, as long as you don't ask Ginn to run lateral routes into a crowd.

He's 178 now....with his frame can he add enough weight....it doesn't appear he can. I see him more as a returner and I would also use him as a 3rd down corner...of which he used to play.
 
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