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Ted Ginn Jr.

Frayser said:
Couldn't agree more. We are talking about a Top 10 receiver here. When I think that, I think Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, and Calvin Johnson. These guys were practically guaranteed Number 1's before they were even drafted. They were men playing amongst boys in college.

When I see Ginn Jr., even when I see highlight clips, I don't necessarily think that.

I also think that the Devin Hester hype is really starting to overvalue the "return specialist" concept. Anybody remember Dante Hall? What about that beer truck driver for New Orleans? How many guys actually continue to have years like Hester did after the first one? I'm not saying Hester won't run a few back this year, but I just think everyone is jumping on the bandwagon because it's the new "in" thing. The fact is . . . Hester can't play CB and if his return production falls all of a sudden he wasn't such a steal in the 2nd.

Ginn Jr. does not strike me as a franchise Number 1 wide receiver. I think his stock is overvalued because of his return abilities. Had Hester not had the year he had last year, we would be talking about Ginn Jr. going in the middle to late first round.

Just my opinion.
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and in my opinion
a very good one!!
 
miamiron said:
Ginn has very little lateral cutting ability ...yes he may go from point "a" to point "b" in a straight line faster than anyone in the draft but don't ask him to make any cuts
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Perhaps you mean his dad? Because you can't be talking about Ted Ginn Jr.
 
ticophin said:
Great job Boomer!! Secon post ever, question: How far down could we drop and still land Ginn, especially if someone is in love w/ Landry, Anderson, or Adams, asuming 1 of them is still out there?

Bleeding aqua & Orange
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15 or 16, I'd think.
 
fishypete said:
Sorry Boomer....but he's too light in the back end...and he's hurt....as we chat....what happens when a 215 pound safety hits him. I could see him in the later half of the first round...but at 9....no way.


Negatives: Has a wiry build with a lean frame, split high with long legs, lacking the bulk or strength to consistently beat press coverage...Plays with suddenness, but lacks the lateral agility to come out of his breaks cleanly and needs to improve his footwork, especially in stop-and-go action...Instinctive returner, but needs to vary his speed when running routes... While he is explosive in the open field, his concentration tends to be a bit inconsistent, as he hears the sounds of the defender's footsteps working over the middle...Must do a better job of securing the ball on receptions before turning up field (will drop a few when he tries to run before grasping the ball... Lacks the strength to power his way through the press and needs to be more active with his hands on release...Must be more alert working underneath for when the quarterback is going to deliver the ball, but does a nice job of looking the throw in over his outside shoulder without having to break stride...Moves well left or right, but shows only adequate hip snap on his lateral moves...When he is up against the press, he tends to take false steps and ****s his arms before firing, but he has enough speed to compensate...Sometimes that speed gets him into trouble, as he runs so fast he might miss a cut or look sloppy trying to plant-and-drive...His cuts look too choppy and he looks tight in his hips making body turns...Looks a little too stiff in his hips when moving laterally, so he is not a great multiple cut runner...Shows very good vision to track the ball in flight, but will struggle some in tough-to-catch spots...Not much of a red-zone threat, as he had only six passes thrown to him in that area through 37 games.

Compares To: DANTE HALL-Kansas City...Like Hall, Ginn appears to be a quality return specialist who can contribute some as a receiver rather than a receiver who can contribute some as a return specialist. He is very effective on quick slants and screens and tracks the ball well over his head, but with his lack of strength and inability to defeat the press, he will struggle to get a clean release and into his routes at the next level. He seems hesitant to go over the middle as a receiver and the sound of the defender's footsteps tends to see him lose concentration. Still, he is an electrifying returner who could bring decent value in multiple receiver formations, as long as you don't ask Ginn to run lateral routes into a crowd.

He's 178 now....with his frame can he add enough weight....it doesn't appear he can. I see him more as a returner and I would also use him as a 3rd down corner...of which he used to play.
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I tell you what Pete, instead of taking that view, watch some tapes and see what happens when a 215lb safety tries tackling him. To think that he shouldn't be a pick at 9 is naive in the extreme.
 
Boomer said:
I tell you what Pete, instead of taking that view, watch some tapes and see what happens when a 215lb safety tries tackling him. To think that he shouldn't be a pick at 9 is naive in the extreme.
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Call me Naive then....but do you spend a 9th pick for a part time player? Of course not. You can read as well as I, he's not good running into the middle of the field for a ball and he's been rarely used in the red zone...why? Maybe because the other receiver was better? Why is he falling in the draft....because teams have watched tape on him...because he's hurt....and because he's a part time player. Right now he's rated 5th best at Draft scout.

I'd take Meachem over him...at any pick.
 
fishypete said:
Call me Naive then....but do you spend a 9th pick for a part time player? Of course not. You can read as well as I, he's not good running into the middle of the field for a ball and he's been rarely used in the red zone...why? Maybe because the other receiver was better? Why is he falling in the draft....because teams have watched tape on him...because he's hurt....and because he's a part time player. Right now he's rated 5th best at Draft scout.
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How is he part time?

Actually he runs a lot of routes across the middle. And I like to watch rather than do what the sheep do and read, therefore using someone elses opinion as your own.

As to why he's not used in the red zone......ask Jim Tressell.

He's falling a little because he had his ankle bent under him when blowing Florida away on the opening kickoff of the biggest game of the year, re-injuring a broken bone in his foot and suffering a high ankle sprain, meaning he can't work out for scouts.

And which other WR is better than him? Because I know you don't mean Gonzalez? You only had to watch the BCS Title Game to see how little Gonzalez contributes when Ginn isn't taking the double coverage and how Ginn's abscence from the game ruined OSU's chances.
 
I still am not convinced with Ginn. I mean, they are called highlight reels for a reason. They won't show the bad in a player.

I admit, I do use highlights to see who I want at times, but they can't be everything.
 
We agree to disagree my friend. As I wrote....I wouldn't take him at 9....if the Dolphins trade back...perhaps then.

I read that the Broncos want to trade out of their pick....perhaps then with a trade up from the second round...I'd take a chance.

Broncos | Team reportedly tried to acquire No. 2 pick in draft
Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:08:21 -0700
Mike Klis, of the Denver Post, reports the Detroit Lions have held preliminary discussions with the Denver Broncos regarding the No. 2 overall pick in the NFL Draft in the last month, league sources have confirmed. According to sources, the Lions asked for multiple draft picks that included the Broncos' No. 21 selection. The Broncos considered the asking price too high and trade discussions have stopped. The team, however, has been trying to deal their No. 21 overall pick.
 
Boomer said:
I tell you what Pete, instead of taking that view, watch some tapes and see what happens when a 215lb safety tries tackling him. To think that he shouldn't be a pick at 9 is naive in the extreme.
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You have your opinion and I have mine and no matter how you want to make Ginn your personal mission my opinion will not be swayed like so many people here.

I have enjoyed many of your informative posts and agree with you on many points but this is not one. So to call me and others naive because we do not express your opinion on Ginn is "naive in the extreme"
 
Boomer said:
How is he part time?

Actually he runs a lot of routes across the middle. And I like to watch rather than do what the sheep do and read, therefore using someone elses opinion as your own.

As to why he's not used in the red zone......ask Jim Tressell.

He's falling a little because he had his ankle bent under him when blowing Florida away on the opening kickoff of the biggest game of the year, re-injuring a broken bone in his foot and suffering a high ankle sprain, meaning he can't work out for scouts.

And which other WR is better than him? Because I know you don't mean Gonzalez? You only had to watch the BCS Title Game to see how little Gonzalez contributes when Ginn isn't taking the double coverage and how Ginn's abscence from the game ruined OSU's chances.
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WEll to be fair Ohio St O-line was the worst Ive seen all year. That being said QB had no time to check the WR down field.

Besides anyone who thinks Ted Ginn isn't worth a 9th pick obviously never seen him play.
 
Boomer said:
15 or 16, I'd think.
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If that's the case then why not talk to someone like Green Bay about moving down? Forget points and value charts. If Ginn Jr. is the perfect fit, then why not just ask Green Bay for their 1st and 2nd or 3rd. Give them a great deal. Who cares if we are not getting market value for our pick? At least we would be getting something rather than taking a mid-round player in the Top 10 . . . and then having to pay him Top 10 money.
 
Majpain said:
Besides anyone who thinks Ted Ginn isn't worth a 9th pick obviously never seen him play.
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It's these types of comments that make me really question the whole Draft Ginn bandwagon. I saw him play. Sure . . . he tore it up. And I could name you 50 other guys who tore it up in college and then never amounted to anything in the NFL. Ron Dayne was the NCAA rushing record holder . . . and what a stellar career he has had! Or look at just about any QB or WR from the University of Florida under Spurrier.

I'm sorry you all, but you can't just say "look at what he did on the field against college defenses" and think that makes your point. At least Boomer is trying to back his point up . . . although I still disagree.
 
Majpain said:
WEll to be fair Ohio St O-line was the worst Ive seen all year. That being said QB had no time to check the WR down field.

Besides anyone who thinks Ted Ginn isn't worth a 9th pick obviously never seen him play.
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well, that doesn't sound like the arrogant mouthy team BEFORE they got their azzes kicked... BEFORE the game, they were Gods gift and Florida didn't even belong in the same stadium....
 
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