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The Case for Brandon Weeden

Show me the talent evaluator that hasn't been in love with a player that didn't end up playing well, and I'll show you a liar.

I remember two calls of yours that I thought were particularly good. The first was QB Levi Brown, who I looked up after you mentioned him. You can only see so much from a guy playing at Troy, but in terms of size, arm, feet in the pocket I thought that Brown just might have that elusive "it" factor. I only remember so much, but I do remember watching some clips of him and thinking that he reminded me a bit of Marino in terms of his quick release, ball velocity and accuracy. And the feet, too- nice quick feet in the pocket. If he's available I'd like to see us give him a shot.

Another was a WRa few years ago from some small college in the South, I'm thinking Louisiana. I Don't remember his name, but that guy has size, speed, quicks and hands. IIRC he made his own video and sent it to NFL teams. To this day I'm surprised that he hasn't done more, not sure if and where he's playing football these days.

Everyone hits and misses- people can say what they want, but as I said in a different post I really liked John Beck as a prospect- he hasn't done much, but I still stand by the pick and the thought process as per liking him. And I also liked Blaine Gabbert way more than Cam Newton, who I thought might be in for a rude awakening in the NFL. He's certaintly proven that theory to be invalid so far, and my guy Gabbert is pretty much sucking eggs so far. That's how it goes.
 
No offense but...

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Funny gif. :lol: Everyone misses though. Everyone. You've got to admit, the "loved" list is pretty impressive.
 
Most definately

*quickly checks TOS...seems like this should be okay*

We might as well let FinHeaven get a piece too. Maybe a gift certificate for dinner plus a donation in any amount to FinHeaven if Weeden is drafted in the 3rd round or later, and the same for me if he's taken in either the 1st or 2nd round? I'm open to other suggestions though of course.
 
Weeden's daily doozy.

Todd Monken, the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State that has only been there one year, said that Brandon Weeden is quite literally the best quarterback he's ever coached at any level. Why is this significant? Because in 2009 and 2010, Monken coached in the NFL. Prior to that, the likes of LSU, etc.

So let's examine that statement by Monken. Todd Monken has coached the following quarterbacks:

Rick Mirer (Notre Dame)
Charlie Batch (Eastern Michigan)
Jamarcus Russell (LSU)
Matt Flynn (LSU)
Ryan Perrilloux (LSU)
Jordan Jefferson (LSU)
Luke McCown (La Tech & Jacksonville)
David Garrard (Jacksonville)
Trent Edwards (Jacksonville)
Todd Bouman (Jacksonville)

Sure, it's interesting that Monken claims that Weeden is better than the likes of Pro Bowler David Garrard, and soon-to-be-rich Matt Flynn. But the most interesting thing is that Todd Monken is no stranger to PHYSICAL talent. The man that has coached Jamarcus Russell is not going to be star struck by Brandon Weeden's "big" arm. Like a porn star, trust me, he's seen bigger. He's seen all these guys and he just thinks Weeden is better than them, better at playing the game, more accurate.

I think that's pretty significant, personally.
 
to each his own i guess cause that list is not very impressive to me...david garrard ehhh...matt flynns the only one that really even catches my eye and i can see where that might be said about him giving where he was drafted and the fact that i think just about all of us hated him as an nfl prospect when he came out

a lot of garbage there to me...
 
David Garrard has been to the Pro Bowl, has never posted a passer rating below 80, and has had a 91 passer rating and a 102 passer rating.

You don't think it's significant that in 2010 Todd Monken was QB Coach for an NFL passer that had a 91 passer rating and then in 2011 he coaches a college Brandon Weeden and says he's flat out better?

To each his own indeed.
 
garrard blows...he always has...i don't care what the rating says...you aren't winning squat with david garrard in his prime even...at least thats my feeling on the guy
 
Weeden's daily doozy.

Todd Monken, the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State that has only been there one year, said that Brandon Weeden is quite literally the best quarterback he's ever coached at any level. Why is this significant? Because in 2009 and 2010, Monken coached in the NFL. Prior to that, the likes of LSU, etc.

So let's examine that statement by Monken. Todd Monken has coached the following quarterbacks:

Rick Mirer (Notre Dame)
Charlie Batch (Eastern Michigan)
Jamarcus Russell (LSU)
Matt Flynn (LSU)
Ryan Perrilloux (LSU)
Jordan Jefferson (LSU)
Luke McCown (La Tech & Jacksonville)
David Garrard (Jacksonville)
Trent Edwards (Jacksonville)
Todd Bouman (Jacksonville)

Sure, it's interesting that Monken claims that Weeden is better than the likes of Pro Bowler David Garrard, and soon-to-be-rich Matt Flynn. But the most interesting thing is that Todd Monken is no stranger to PHYSICAL talent. The man that has coached Jamarcus Russell is not going to be star struck by Brandon Weeden's "big" arm. Like a porn star, trust me, he's seen bigger. He's seen all these guys and he just thinks Weeden is better than them, better at playing the game, more accurate.

I think that's pretty significant, personally.

I guess if you wanted to look on the bright side you could say that the guys he has coached made it to the NFL. But if you look at it on the other side, he has coached a bunch of nobodies. I guess the jury is out on Matt Flynn right now and I really dont know how his protege's stack up to anothers.
 
no i get your point...i'm just not all that impressed when a guy says weeddens better than david garrard was for him...i would hope that would be the case...i'm not impressed by garrard at all...never have been
 
Not an impressive list of QBs Monken has coached at all. Matt Flynn is still a question mark but he may turn out the best of the bunch...he also had the benefit of sitting and learning and maturing physically for the last 4 years in Green Bay. Weeden is already mature physically, he'll be 29 in October so he should be in his prime physically, there is little to no growth left there.
 
When you think what the dolphins have done with their first and second picks, I don't get the concern about Weeden's age you get a guy that is showing special stuff and he could play at a high level for say six to seven years what is the problem.
Should we list the never ending list of QBs that didn't get it done in Miami.
He's the best available QB when the Dolphins pick why not give it a try, we wasted enough picks Henne, White etc etc etc

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When you think what the dolphins have done with their first and second picks, I don't get the concern about Weeden's age you get a guy that is showing special stuff and he could play at a high level for say six to seven years what is the problem.<br>Should we list the never ending list of QBs that didn't get it done in Miami.<br>He's the best available QB when the Dolphins pick why not give it a try, we wasted enough picks Henne, White etc etc etc
 
I hope to hell we don't draft Weeden. He's not nfl ready, which means a year or two at least to get acclimated. then you get what, 4 or 5 good years out of him before age catches up, and his game slips? No thank you.
 
I hope to hell we don't draft Weeden. He's not nfl ready, which means a year or two at least to get acclimated. then you get what, 4 or 5 good years out of him before age catches up, and his game slips? No thank you.

What about him do you think makes him not NFL ready??

IMO, he is as NFL ready as any QB I've seen recent years. Probably more NFL ready because of age,maturity, and excellent leadership qualities.

He finished his degree in 2010. He will have a full offseason to work on transitioning to the pro game.

Nope, can't agree at all that he isn't NFL ready. In fact I would indeed say the opposite would be true in Weeden's case.
 
What about him do you think makes him not NFL ready??

IMO, he is as NFL ready as any QB I've seen recent years. Probably more NFL ready because of age,maturity, and excellent leadership qualities.

He finished his degree in 2010. He will have a full offseason to work on transitioning to the pro game.

Nope, can't agree at all that he isn't NFL ready. In fact I would indeed say the opposite would be true in Weeden's case.

When I say NFL ready, I mean he's not going to come in and light up the world in his rookie year. Just about every QB takes a year or two to acclimate. Most take 3 or 4. He's going to be 29 soon. He doesn't have time to acclimate.
 
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