Update: Dolphins on the Verge of acquiring Jones

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  1. Predaphin

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    Dolphins | On Verge of Acquiring Jones - from www.KFFL.com
    Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:38:01 -0800

    Updating ongoing reports, Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins have been discussing trade talks for the past few days with the New Orleans Saints to acquire S Tebucky Jones. Two NFL sources said the Saints hope to complete a deal as early as Sunday, March 13 or Monday, March 14. One source said the asking price for Jones is a second-day draft pick (rounds 4 - 7).


    I hope its either a 6 or a 7...I don't want Tebucky, but for a 6th or a 7th I wouldn't mind taking him....he's not worth a 4th, thats for sure.
     
  2. byroan

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    He was probably going to be released. I see us trading a 7th for him.
     
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    We better not give up anything lower than a 6th.
     
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    I am glad Saban is making the final say.... Spielman probably wants to trade JT and surtain plus our 3rd pick for Jones and bottle of ketchup.
     
  5. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James You sit on a throne of lies!

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    Maybe we'll make it a conditional pick. That pushes the 6th or 7th rounder back to 2006. :)
     
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    That would be preferable.
     
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    I like that Idea.:cooldude:
     
  8. KillerJosh373

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    I'm starting to get a little worried. So far Saban isn't really rebuilding he's just getting old players that other teams dont want. Hopefully I'll look like an idiot for ever questioning Saban's strategy, but he's given a 31 year old DE a huge contract (after he already signed Vonnie Holiday) and is now supposedly on the verge of trading a draft pick (hopefully only a 6th or 7th) for a 30 year old safety. This isnt rebuilding, this is replacing overrated, old players with more overrated, old players (Honestly Carter hasnt been a great player since St. Louis and Tebucky hasnt done **** for the Aints). We shouldnt be trading away any more draft picks and we shouldnt be giving over the hill players big front loaded contracts in Free Agency, last time I checked that is a formula for failure. Saban better be the genius everyone says he is when it comes to Xs and Os and he better make some excellent picks in the draft, because I havent been impressed so far by his free agent signings or any of the Dolphin's rumored aquisitions (Tebucky, Howard)
     
  9. catapano

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    i agree with pretty much everything you said
     
  10. beejay05

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    Are you sure teh contracts are front loaded? I kind doubt that. Not to many NFL contracts are.
     
  11. PHINSfan

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    The contracts are said to be backloaded contracts, so basically what he is doing is getting players he thinks will contribute for 2-3 years for average pay. The market dictates the price of free agents and IMO he is not over paying for the players he is targeting.
     
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    Carter's is backloaded.... he is legit for 2 years, maybe 3 if he impresses.

    Holliday's is backloaded and could restructure or get cut next year.

    Tillman is a young project with a cheap contract, and I still cant believe we got Spragan for so little.


    I appreciate the concern that others have expressed, but I think Saban wants to implement an effective system straight away, over years to come he will add young defensive players thru the draft and FA that can come in a learn the system and be installed into it, but can see it in effect. Look at the Pats, guys like Asante Samuel, Randall Gay and Earthwind Moreland have come in and excelled on that D.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, we don't have a 6th. The trade will have to be for a 7th. The trade makes sense if Saban believes (and rightfully so) that Jones will get more money if released from his contract. Jones fits the mold of an ideal run-support safety which we are apparently looking for. As well, Jones provides a lot of speed from the safety position.
     
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    I agree, I dont see why people dont like Jones. He may be 30 and not spectacular, but he's 6'2 220 and brings CB speed to the safety position. He aint gna make big plays like Brock Marion and Sammy Knight, but he isnt gna get burned like them.
     
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    Looks to me like Saban is finding guys who fit his scheme until he can replace them through the draft or younger guys from FA. I don't plan to question his moves until something blows up...which won't be well into next season if at all.
     
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    I certainly understand people's scepticism. But I think FinzManiac is right on. He's trying to find cheap or relatively cheap guys he can use in his system until he can draft the way he wants. He's only got 5 picks this year, and it's tough to rebuild a team with 5 picks. Remember when JJ went about it, he must have drafted 20 guys in his first two years. Saban would have to trade out of the number 2 spot 3 times to end up with 8 or 9 picks, and there's no guarantee he'll be able to trade. Remember how New England put that 2001 Super Bowl team together: cheap free agents. I think Nick's just getting effective stop-gap types of players that will fit his plan, then replace them piecemeal over the next 2-5 years with his own drafted players. We've got to keep in mind he can't re-do everything in year one, and I bet he also feels he needs to win some now to get people on board with what he's doing. If he goes 3-13 his first year, you'll hear a lot of "college coach can't do it in the pros" cries, and he may lose out on free agents and lose his current team. He needs to improve some to maybe 7-9/8-8, and people will buy into him.
    Just my 3 cents.
     
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    ...and throw in a future 2nd rounder for their 3rd string Qb.
     
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    2 year deals. think a little more would ya? this is transitional stuff. It will all come down to scheme. We need a safety. Get a clue.
     
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    Carter has been playing tackle for Tennessee, that's why he seems like he hasn't been as good, but he has been a force on their d-line. Tebucky was the leading tackler for the Saints, which says one of two things: 1) their front 7 sucks and 2) a safety had to take up all the slack. maybe the reason he gets no turnovers is because he always has to make the tackles.
     
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    Saban's signing have been cheaper replacement of current broken parts

    Tillman, Spragan, Holliday are at a cheap price Carter's deal is backloaded (go back a few pages, there's been some threads on this)

    and remember- defensive playerstend to last longer than ofeensive player- so we can still get 4 good years out of a 10th season DLmen
     
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    MMMMmmmmmm! Ketchup....
     
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    Get over it...:rolleyes:


    T. Jones sucks... I don't like this trade.
     
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    if we get a Tbuck id rather have terell buckley the playmaker!
     
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    Remember, this is FA.

    EVERY move we make in FA is ostensibly going to be a pickup of an "old" player. No one is releasing the Dwight Freeneys, Stephen Jacksons, or Julius Peppers. The rookie contracts are usually for 4-7 years, and even then the good ones are resigned. We're a relatively young team.

    What sets us apart from the other teams is how much we're SPENDING on these "older" players and WHO we're getting. I don't think we're overspending at all and we're grabbing solid, versatile players. We didn't sign the big-name, overpriced FAs like Jennings or Rolle, which is a positive more than a negative.

    But yes, every time we sign a FA, it opens us up to the "getting older" argument... but just realize FA is inherently just that and it's all about who you get and for how much. Smart moves in the draft is how you get younger.
     
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    Maybe those of you that are sceptical forgot that we have no cap room and as far as Jones, we have no safeties. The free agent market wasn't a great one this year either. Saban is bringing in people that he believes fits into his scheme. And to be honest these contracts are worthless.

    Holliday and Tillman are getting like minimum. Spragan came real cheap and Carter is only like a mil to 3 in the first two years.
     
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    T-Buck is a good safety. I am not sure why some of you guys dont want him?
     
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    Tunnel vision. I don't think you see the whole picture. You build thru the draft. Saban has said that. But, we don't have 4 years to wait for those we draft to learn the system and grow. So you get decent players (albeit old) who don't break the cap. Then draft your key spots. The rookies will be ready to go, once your older players begin to lose it, or get good and want more money. A 6-7th rounder for a starting safety? Doesn't seem too bad to me. Saban knows what he's doing and I see nothing wrong with spending a 2nd pick on a starter.

    We don't have money for stars, and secondly, a team system does not need or want stars. No stars in NE (Brady became a star after 3 SB wins) and maybe 1-2 guys on D. But no true top dollar stars. When they do get big BB lets them walk. They would ruin the team and the cap, etc. So while you may not see or agree with what Saban is doing, it's because you can't see or don't like his bigger picture.
     
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    I think you're exactly right. At first, I thought he would draft and gather young players to then implement his system next year, etc. But it seems to me now, that he's going to get the guys (old/young) that fit his scheme and we'll being see a huge difference in our defensive style this year. Like you said, the system will be in place when the young guys get on board instead of trying to do this with a bunch of inexperienced guys next year. I think we need to give him some time before we start judging his moves. Everyone that's seen him coach seem to say the same thing about there always being a method to his madness.
     
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    If your a new coach, obviously your system better be in play from the second u sign that contract.
     
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    that wasn't my point.

    My point is that he is getting solid veterans in that are good fits for his system rather than just chucking what he has got in, overpaying for younger FAs or getting numerous rookies over the next few years.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    I live in New Orleans and have been forced to watch Aints games over the past few years. We dont need Tebucky. If the Saints dont want a player he wont help our team out. When they allowed Knight to walk it was because he had lost a step. Jones has lost more than one
     
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    what the H3ll ever happened to picking up young Players on D??
     
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    Has Saban ever said that he was bringing in young players on D?

    :shakeno:
     
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    maybe saban is trying to make a playoff run this or next year.
    he only has two years left before our D needs to be overhauled
     
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    Knight played damn well for a lost step safety. We would've kept him if not for his $ amount I'm sure. Obviously Saban thinks he can contribute, so why note have some faith?
     
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    A 7th round pick for Tebucky Jones is not a bad move at all.
     
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    The thing about Tebuckey Jones is that his contract is reasonable. It's at $1.75 million with a $400,000 bonus. That's really not bad for a starting safety. Only way you get better is a guy you drafted or you luck out on a low level free agent.

    However, Jones has not been the hitter everyone expected him to be coming out of college. He is a good tackler and has much better speed and agility than Knight (though Knight was a very smart player and made plays).
     
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    I cant wait to play with Tebucky on madden
     

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