WVDolphan's "Get Real" Today's subject-Physically challenged 2nd round money bargains

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  1. WVDolphan

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    To start, lets examine the teams at the top of the playoff chase this season, and see where their QB was selected in their respective drafts.

    Patriots - 6th round
    Jets - 1st round, traded up using almost all of their picks to select their QB 5th overall
    Steelers - 1st round
    Ravens - 1st round
    Colts - 1st round
    Chargers - (yea the Chargers. We all know they are doing their usual and winning down the stretch to capture that weak divisions title) 1st round
    Eagles - 1st round
    Giants - 1st round
    Packers - 1st round
    Falcons - 1st round
    Saints - 2nd round
    Someone will win the NFC West, but are any of those teams a contender for anything? The best QB in that division, is a rookie who was of course taken 1st overall last year by the Rams. Look for them to win that division regularly over the next few seasons.



    [video=youtube;BnD6ojjA0OA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnD6ojjA0OA[/video]

    So what do we notice? 9 of the 11 teams with a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl, have QBs who were drafted in the first round. One team, the Pats, got lucky and hit a legend on a 6th round pick. Another team, the Saints have a QB who was a 2nd round pick. Note however he was casted off from his original team for a top 5 overall selection at QB who is definately a better player. Brees has been tremendous in his own right the last few years though.

    But, what we notice is almost every one of those teams got their QB from not only the 1st round, but most of them in the top few selection. Only a few of them were mid first round selections.

    And of those teams, look at the ones who have been perinial contenders over the last few seasons. The ones who are in the mix EVERY YEAR. With the exception of Brady, they are teams with QBs who went early in the first round.

    This should SCREAM to any FO in the NFL, that if you want to put a team together, the first and foremost thing you need to do is get yourself a talented QB. It screams if you have the first overall selection and you dont have a QB, you probably want to consider that before selecting a lineman.

    And thats obviously what this franchise needs to do. Of course we are likely not going to be in position to draft a guy near the top of the draft this season. But, I think its clear, if we are going to draft a QB, and its clear we need to btw, that we shouldnt continue to WASTE our time and WASTE our selections in the 2nd and middle rounds on a QB. Either get the real deal or dont get one at all.

    I say this because I hear a lot of rumblings for going other needs in the first round and drafting a QB later. My point is WHY? If you arent going to draft a QB in the first round, please dont bother. Im tired of these hopefulls with 2nd round picks when there are tons of talented players at skill positions we desperately need available in rounds 2 and 3. And I think I have made it more than clear that their just arent good QBs left in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

    I think its pretty clear what we need to do. If there is any way possible for us to package enough picks, even with the void of a 2nd rounder, we need to trade up to get our QB. Only then can we actually start to build this team.

    Hell, we may not need that much building if we get our QB. Look at what the Jets did in 09. They traded all but their 3rd round pick and moved up to #5 overall in the first round to get their guy. All they did was wind up in the AFC title game. They had a decent team already, they just needed a QB. I think we are in a similar position. We compete pretty well with good teams and beat almost all the bad teams we play. We do this despite horrible QB play. If we can just get a QB, we could catapult quickly.

    Not only that, this isnt 1991 anymore, where teams would draft a QB and they would almost automatically be figured to sit a year or two and watch some veteran play mediocre at the position while the team struggles. Guys are coming in, starting right away, and doing a pretty nice job. This has been a trend over the last 5 or 6 years. There have been a lot fewer busts it seems over this span at the position as well.

    Whats tough, is personally the only QB Im truly sold on that could be in this draft is Andrew Luck. If he comes out, he will likely go 1st overall. The problem with that is there is a strong chance Buffalo will have that selection. They wont be trading it. I also highly doubt they draft a LT if they find themselves in that spot either. That could be a shame for Luck, because if he does go to Buffalo, I could see him busting as a result. Buffalo is where QB careers go to die.

    So I suggest if we cant get Luck, it might be wise to pass on a QB altogether and struggle for one more season with some FA vet or Thigpen if he plays well down the stretch. Hell, it isnt impossible Thigpen turns out to be our guy and this is mute, but Im not betting on that. Mallett is interesting and Locker could be as well. I just know I dont want to spend more valuable picks in the 2nd and mid rounds on a QB.

    Here's my theory on the drafting. 1st round is specifically for QBs, playmakers on D(pass rush specialists especially) and the occasional WR or DB.

    The 2nd and 3rd rounds are where you load up on skill position guys. You can find great talent at RB, WR, TE, and defensive playmakers in these rounds. Yet almost any QB you take in these rounds will likely bust. Thats why you dont use these picks on QBs. These are the most valuable picks a team has. The contracts are much friendlier to the cap system as well.

    The later rounds are where you get your cornfed linemen. You can get great linemen in these rounds if you take the right ones. And the line is about cohesiveness and unity anyway. Its not about individual players so much. You need a solid group that plays well together.

    You can also find the occasional gem at other positions in these rounds. A lot of good RBs can come from these rounds. RB is the most easily filled position in the league as it is. As long as a guy has talent, if the line blocks well for him, he will produce big numbers.

    I look at these rounds 5-7 as flyers. You want to take guys that you think you can hit a homerun with and dont worry about them being complete whiffs. This is where you may take a QB on occasion just to try and get lucky. But, if you need a QB, get a 1st rounder. If you have an older QB, then take a shot every year in these late rounds at one and see if you can develope a project. If you didnt get lucky by the time your older QB needs to go, then you get a 1st rounder.

    So please, no more of these band aids at QB. No more projects. We need a top level QB and we need one NOW. Whoever is in charge of this team on draft day, get us what we need. Anything we select without getting the QB we need is a waste anyway because this team isnt going anywhere until the QB void that was left over 10 years ago gets filled. If you have to trade top picks in next years draft in order to get in position to get our QB, then do it. It simply dosent matter how many other "holes" we need to fill until we fill this one. So just ****ing do it already and put an end to the misery this fanbase has had to endure.
     
  2. Ricky'sWeinerBong

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    we both know this regime isnt packaging picks to move up and flop their balls on the table and take a qb..............
     
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    if parcells & ireland showed up at your house you'd gush like a puppy and get out the china. but seriously, if we could buy you a team and let you choose a quarterback we would but not today.
     
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    Great post. agree on all points. Unfortunitly like you said I think next years QB class is slim. I think we should go with best available in the first round, maybe even trade down get another pick and load up on skill positions in 2-3. Totally pass on QB. One point though about franchises making themselves with a top QB selection in the 1st round. Those are not gaurenteed. Many misses have come out, Leaf, A. Smith, Russell ect. Got to be real careful and have someone in the FO with a real eye for talent. Not sure we have that. This class coming out, to much doubt about all of them. I say pass, wait another year and load up. Even if we trade for more picks in 2012.
     
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    I agree 100%. You cant keep passing on QB early and throwing 2nd round picks at the problem. Miami has become a running joke in that regard. The Lions used to pick a WR in the 1st every year, we spend a second rounder on a useless QB every year. Nut the **** up and trade up for the guy you really like. QB is the most important position on the field and the number one reason for our decade long suck fest.

    And this is a 30 page thread. Minimum.

    Also, in before 30 posters mention that Brady was a 6th round pick, Favre was a second rounder or say we already have a QB in Henne.
     
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    and now the Lions have Calvin Johnson. ya, you may strike out. but sooner or later you may hit as well.
     
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    Everyone in here ridiculed the Jets strategy when they drafted Sanchez but it was a great move and it looks as if it may be paying off. Unfortunately there is no QB (discounting Luck) in this class worth moving up for. Additionally, this regime does not strike me as willing to alter off the safe route mentality.
     
  9. Mr. Magoo

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    For a treat, let's look at the 12 teams that made the playoffs in 2009.

    AFC:
    Colts (1st rounder)
    Chargers (1st rounder)
    Patriots (6th rounder)
    Bengals (1st rounder)
    Jets (1st rounder)

    NFC:
    Saints (2nd rounder)
    Vikings (2nd rounder)
    Cowboys (undrafted)
    Cardinals (undrafted)
    Packers (1st rounder)
    Eagles (1st rounder)

    That's a lot of first rounders, but five of twelve guys weren't taken in that round. The basic rule of getting quarterbacks, and this was something I heard Daniel Jeremiah touch on months ago, is that you generally find them either very early or very late. And a lot of the time the late first round guys end up being no better than the 2nd round guys. Aaron Rodgers and Josh Freeman were both late first round picks, as was Joe Flacco, though I'm not as high on Flacco as others. But so was Brady Quinn and host of other bums.

    BTW, this kind of thing is hardly definitive. In 2008, only three of the 12 playoff teams had quarterbacks drafted outside the first round. In 2007, seven of the 12 had been.
     
  10. TedSlimmJr

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    Evaluating quarterbacks certainly isn't this regime's strongsuit, and it's the hardest position for NFL teams to get a bead on...

    There's never been a quarterback in ANY draft that EVERYONE was sold on... selecting a quarterback boils down to gut feeling 100% of the time when the moment of truth arrives and you have 2 choices...

    ..turn the card in with the QB's name on it.. or pass...



    While drafting a quarterback high in the 1st round and expecting him to come in be the face your franchise for the next decade and build your team around him is risky... there's also a lot of common sense involved... Nothing is a guarantee.. but there's certainly a blueprint established to give you the best ODDS of hitting on that quarterback you seek... and that blueprint is there because of past teams failures...


    1. Stay away from "system" quarterbacks high in the 1st round at all costs...especially the one's that come out of the "gimmick" offenses... the more inflated his "stats" are, the more weary you need to be of him... You have to be careful here.. college football is FULL of offenses with these guys pulling the trigger...

    2. Avoid the one year wonder... you want a guy with an established track record as a starter.. at the VERY minimum 2 years starting experience, preferrably 3... (Sanchez was the only exception I've ever made here.. I had him over Stafford)...

    3. I'm not going to give away all my secrets... but intangibles, toughness, leadership, mechanics, competitiveness, accuracy, anticipation and the WILL to lead his overmatched teammates to victory consistently are all things that will show up over the long haul.... much moreso than anything you can measure with a stopwatch or measuring tape... or a Jugs Machine...
     
  11. 72champagne

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    everyone was sold on john elway, at least publicly.
     
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    No they weren't... the knock on him was he never even led Stanford to a bowl APPEARANCE.. much less a bowl victory...

    They were sold on his physical talent... but he had question marks reguarding his ability to make the teammates around him better..
     
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    I like your sig.. funny as hell.
     
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    This is why I would sign Jamarcus Russell. Yes, I said it. I would use our 1st round pick on OLB passrusher to help Wake out or BPA like a Center or something and try hard to trade down. I don't like the QBs that will be available where we will be picking and we can merely treat Russelll like a 6th round rookie and put him at #3 stringer QB, while we stick it out with Thigpen and Henne.

    I do think we should see try to investigate trading for Palmer of CIN or call PHI too for one of their QBs...but if shyt out of luck....stick it out one more year with Thigpen, Henne, and Russell.

    At least we can just use the 'wasted' year next season giving it 'our try' and trying out the Russell project and you never know...but yea, I don't see us being able to land Luck...so.....fml....
     
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    Hopefully Ross starts forcing hands here. The QB carousel has to stop.
     
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    Guess the 2 QB's who have thrown for more then 5k yards? Dan Marino and Drew Brees. Now, i can understand you refusing to believe Drew Brees is the best QB not named Brady or P. Manning(as Nick Saban incorrectly, and utterly failed in doing so, decided that Drew Brees would never throw again- great coaching that), but Phillip Rivers is not as great as Brees. Brees would(most likely) have set the completion rating record for a season had his coach not insisted on sitting him. While Drew was devasted(being a baseball fan, he grew up idolizing Ted Williams), he understood the need of playing it safe for a ring. And he accomplished that. Phillip Rivers is on his way to being a MVP, but Drew Brees is the better player, even if Nick Saban utterly and completely failed to realize that. As far as having a franchise QB:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?page=hotread09/YoungQBs

    Keep in mind, people interviewed for that article were individuals who drafted QB's high.

    Ah, if only we all had the lack of faith to declare any chance of optimism(from a coaching staff you have supported when the team won then immediately unsupported when the team lost) then we all might jump in joy whenever a human being doesnt complete every single pass. Then again, youve shown you cheer for Miami Dolphin players getting injured.

    The rest of the post was extremely amusing. You sit here and say: "We never should have drafted a left tackle!" and yet you turn around and say "Oh, well if Buffalo drafts the main/only QB he will go up there and die".

    You cry for a call to arms.......then suggest if we can't get the top prospect(which we cannot. Buffalo isn't that inept into giving a division rival a franchise QB while they pass on it) then we should chill.

    What exactly do you want? For us to not take a QB in the second round? Well, as its week 11, i would say thats a resounding mission accomplished. Should we trade everything at this moment? No? Why not? Oh, its the middle of the season. Then this thread is irrelevant.
     
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    I actually didn't think we gave up that much for Sanchez. We swapped first round picks and threw in a 2nd rounder, Abram Elam, Kenyon Coleman, and Brett Ratliff. That was it. Don't know where some people got the impression that we traded our entire draft. None of those guys would be starting for us right now. Coleman and Elam would be rotational players, Ratliff is a 3rd string QB. Would you trade your 1st rounder, a 2nd roudner, and 3 backups for a guy who you thought was a franchise QB? Seems like an easy decision to me.
     
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    Henne matches most of your description. sounds easy. dolphins need to hire you.
     
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    This post annoys me. The logic behind it is majorly flawed.

    The reality is that over a 10 year span of time there might be 5 elite QB that are available to draft in position one through 5 of the draft.

    This year is a prime example as you have pointed out. IF a player comes out early - Luck - then the Bills will likely draft him.

    But with the guaranteed money franchises must pay the risk on these NFL freshman is SO over the top.

    Then factor in all the Ryan Leaf's, and Heath Shulers and Alex Smith's and lots of other busts that set franchises back for years.

    And if you look at the past 10 Superbowl winners exactly 1/2 of those teams had top QB picks as their elite franchise head and 1/2 did not have TOP pick QB's piloting them to a win. And the SB losers the #'s are slightly less then 1/2 with TOP pick QB's.

    Everyone wants one. But FACTS are, getting one is TOUGH and risky.

    Just because it was clear to me that Pennington was the better player I also got it that the guy was one sack from being injured forever. And I was right on both counts - he was better then Henne and NOT durable.

    Henne is a development player and could take the next steps possible to move his career down the road. Brees was this way at first. Sometimes it takes a player with the physical tools to go through an iteration or two before integrates at a higher level.

    So I am dead against the Dolphins reaching for a QB that is way beyond our means. We must pick up the best available QBs in the off season and continue to keep and develop the players we have - Henne and Thigpen.
     
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    You can **** in one hand and wish in the other! Tell me what fills up quicker. This regime is not using a 1st for a QB, or getting us a speedy playmaker!
     
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    I agree with WV and despite who holds the #1 pick I would
    in fact throw my entire draft at that team

    if it's buffalo I bet they bit, I do this ofcourse for only
    one QB....Andrew Luck he has all the qualitys
    you want smart,talented led a team of lesser talent to success
    might be the most NFL ready QB since Peyton Manning

    now all that being said would Miami gamble ofcourse not
     
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    You know what else I see there, those are good teams. Should we compile a list of 1st round QB busts? I guarantee that list is much bigger. How many of those QB's survive on a mediocre to bad team? What if Sanchez doesn't have that D, or those receivers, or that O-line? The draft is a crap-shoot, drafting a QB in the first round is stupid if you have bigger needs, and there is no gurantee that if you select a QB in the 1st round that they will be successful.
     
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    Most first round picks never live up to the hype. Thats not just QBs. Just because QBs may bust, you are against taking a risk on one and spending another decade in mediocrity? I figured our fans of all fans should know how important QB is.
     
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    try doing a study on the 2 starting qbs for every super bowl. i bet its not so one sided for having 1st round qbs.

    most of the qbs on the OPs list came from the 2004 and 2008 drafts. there really hasnt been many great qbs that came out of the draft any other years. you get one here and there. so to say there is always great 1st round qbs available every year is way off.

    also we just signed our 1st round drafted qb yesterday. how did he turn out?
     
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    I think this year we should pass on a QB and go with what we got next season. Continue to build your team with the best talent you can find out there. I really do not think either guy we have has the goods but what do I know. Give them two an open competition in camp and let the better man win. Maybe I'm wrong and get lucky and find our franchise QB on our roster but I'm not holding my breath. I think we are going have to have to bite the bullet at some point and reach for a top prospect for QB.

    I also agree that we already have most of the pieces we need and QB is our biggest and most important need to fill. We also need at least 1 good RB. Throw some meat on the line. Look for a better TE. I agree about getting a good center and let our current center go back to playing his natural position on the interior. Don't forget we moved people and created a makeshift line this year because we lacked a center.

    I'm not going to say you should not draft a LT in the 1st rd but I will say if you have a shot at a top prospect at QB and you need one you roll the dice on it, IMO. I think this crew saw a deep draft at QB and got a little arrogant and thought they could build a team around any QB they got. They think a little too highly of themselves. I am critical of both Ireland and Sporano in this regard but I do second guess myself and wonder how much of the team we have is Parcels. I'd like to know which decisions he overrode and which ones these two guys were on-board with.

    I am willing to ride it out with Ireland and Sporano one more season and see what it brings us. Lets see what these two get done without the Parcel's albatross around their neck. I have to admit I dread the thought of changing staffs again too. We will never get a good team together until we find a good GM and I am not sold on this one yet.
     
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    Good team, just along for the ride.
    Better winning percentage without him this year. 3-1 without and 3-2 with (easily could be 1-4)
    Good team, just along for the ride.
    Finally looks like an NFL QB at the age of 30.
    Played bad for the first few years. Hated by the fans until the Superbowl win.
    You would have thrown him under the bus after his play last year.
    Original team gave up on him too quickly. Goes to a better run team and wins the Superbowl.
     
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    Yea, theyre all hot garbage.
     
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    ****ing Saban passes on the best rated QB in the 05 draft, Aaron Rodgers to take a part time SEC RB and instead signs a journeyman who loves to put his head through cement walls. If Nickeypoo, as a pro coach was not the equivalent of your 2nd round mismatched bargain analogy, there'd be no impetus for these bouts of mental masturbation or bordering on restraint-order-worthy knob slobbery of QBs having no connection to The Fins. Fvuk that little azzhole; we're still paying the price for his ineptitude.
     
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    For note, Brees was the first pick of the 2nd round, so he essentially could be considered a 1st round pick.
     
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    We should have drafted Brady Quinn too, we would be set for years! Oh, wait a second.
     
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    great post!

    Too bad the TARDS we having running this team wouldn't know a Qb is it slapped them in the face
     
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    We currently have NO BIGGER NEED than at QB.
     
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    We have 2 Qbs that are capable starters..

    What our biggest need IMO is center..

    I really think thats where we will go in the first round..

    After that its running back...Miami is not drafting a qb next year..I think you can count on that.
     
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    For once I completely agree with you, WV. It's basically impossible to find a long term starter at QB outside of the first round. The only second round QB in the past three decades to have success with the team that drafted him was Boomer Esiason. There are guys like Favre, Brees, and Ron Jaworski who bounced around a bit before becoming legitimate starters, but for the most part, drafting a QB in the second round is statistically equivalent to just throwing a pick away.
     
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    Just because you pick a QB in the 1st rd doesnt mean he is good. Its feast or famine with the QB and if you're team is lucky enough to have a shot at a QB then take it. I wouldnt call Ryan a franchise QB.....I would love to see the list of QB that got picked in the first rd that didnt work out.
     
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    The thing is its, really risky to take a qb #1 overall or even in the first round in general..

    The way things have been going teams have had to pay top dollar to the players even tho some who were picked before them got less money..

    Drafting a qb in the first round is not always a shore thing..There has been plenty of Qb's who were taken in the first round that were crap, now factor in having to pay them a lot of money..It sets back teams for a long time.
     
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    As long as we keep winning and stumbling and bumbling we won't be anywhere's near selecting the obvious QB..., Luck to Buffalo... We sure as heck need a RB and a Center and a TE in any freaking order - I would select a QB but not gonna reach for one cause TSJ or VW say so...
     
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    Henne has showed promise and he has showed toughness as well..This team values that.
    What we need to get back to is running the ball well.
    A big nasty center will allow us to do that..I think if we can get one early, our line will be complete..no more tinkering.
     
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    First round QBs have about a 60% of failure (Not really sure about the number, but they're more likely to bust than succeed.) QBs in the second round have effectively a 0% chance of success. If you'd choose cheap guaranteed failure over a more expensive chance at success, you're crazy.

    Does a first round bust at QB really set teams back that much? Look at the Raiders. They drafted arguably the biggest bust in NFL history in Jamarcus Russell and are now in the hunt for a division title. The Chargers wasted a pick on Ryan Leaf and went on to be one of the more successful franchises in the NFL over the past decade.
     
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    Um ... actually, no he couldn't. That's why there are different rounds.
     
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    We do?!?

    Can you pass the kool-aid?
     
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    Its not like were 0 and 9.

    Were 5 and 4
     
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    If we pick a C in the first round this year, so help me God....
     
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    So because its not a sure thing, its better to wallow in mediocrity? Excellent logic.
     
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    No not saying that at all..

    But some front office ppl have different philosphies. I think Miami did the right thing..We were 1 and 15 and were suffering in the trenches.
    Miami could not afford to draft a QB that could bust like Matt Ryan..
    Long was the sure thing in the draft, thats why we took him.

    Its been shown that teams can be more than medicore if they have a good running game and a qb has protection.
    Henne has been protected very well..So if Miami is not satisfied with his production. Miami can plug in another qb.

    But I think Henne is the long term answer he has the tools..He has the ability is getting better..He has made plenty strides..
    We went 7 and 9 last year..9 and 7...10 and 6 is within our reach.
     
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    While you make really good points WV, I'm not ready to discuss draft and what we should be doing come next year. We are 5-4 with a shot for the playoffs. I'm focused on this year.

    That being said, there is no way we are moving up to get the #1 pick (even if the Bills don't end up with it). We will have a pick in the 13 to 24 range more then likely and it's going to take all of this years draft picks OR our 1st, 3rd, and 1st next year and even then I question whether the team moves that far back for just a 3rd this year and a 1st next year.
     
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    While I'm not sold on Henne being the long term answer, I do agree that Long was the right pick there. There wasn't a safer pick in the draft and if you are going to spend that much money on a guy, why not go the safe route. You make a great point with coming off a 1-15 year. Looking back on it, I'm on the fence with who I would take. Ryan looks really good this year, but I also know he has a very solid team around him and that team was underrated going into his rookie year. Jake is Jake, future HOF'er at an important position, but certainly not as critical as QB. Certainly an interesting debate.
     
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    Well said.

    And you managed to say what you had to say without
    a) Taking a shot at Henne
    b) Lamenting the fact that Miami passed on Matt Ryan

    Props to you.

    P.S. If Henne's injury forces him to miss the rest of the season and Thigpen does not produce extremely solid numbers down the stretch, I would argue that Miami needs to do whatever it takes to draft a QB in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. As most know, I still think that Henne should have his shot at some more starts, but if this injury is at all serious, it would only serve to lower his ceiling, since durability was one of his main strengths and mobility was one of his main weakness. Both of these facets will get worse for him if this injury proves to be more than a "day to day" knee injury.
     
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    Since the Dolphins have pretty much a ZERO shot at landing Andrew Luck, then what QB in the first round should Miami draft? Because, Luck is the only guy that I feel is first round worthy.
     
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    First Round Qbs
    2000
    Pennington
    2001
    Vick
    2002
    Carr
    Harrington
    Ramsey
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    Palmer
    Leftwich
    Boller
    Grossman
    2004
    Eli
    Rivers
    Big Ben
    Losman

    2005
    Alex Smith
    Rodgers
    Campbell
    2006
    Young
    Leinart
    Cutler

    2007
    Russell
    Quinn

    2008
    Ryan
    Flacco

    2009
    Stafford
    Sanchez
    Freeman

    2010
    Bradford
    Tebow
     

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