Merged: Ronnie Brown/Can He Carry the Load?

Ghetti13 said:

That second round pick has more value to the Miami Dolphins than two years of Ricky Williams playing behind Ronnie Brown.

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do u seriously think that if the appeal comes through he will be playing behind ronnie?? i think not

My opinion will not change regardless of him winning his appeal. Yet, the chances of us trading him change of course.

If we can get a second round pick for him then you take it in a heartbeat. Simple as that.

Ricky is simply holding Ronnie back. Ronnie is very, very special.

I seriously believe that if the appeal comes through Ricky will be the backup to Ronnie Brown.

ricky isn't special? he had 280 yards his last two games, not to mention it was against one of our rivals

Ricky has special talent. No doubt about it. He shows great acceleration, speed and vision.

Problem is, Ricky is not as special as Ronnie Brown. He does not catch as well. He has no near the power. He is older. He is less dependable. He is playing because of money, not the love of the game.

Ricky is a special player. But in my opinion, he is no Ronnie Brown.

not so fast

arsenal said:

to me it doesn't even matter... next year Ronnie is going to be the feature back, hes got the contract and the status and its his time to do that... dont forget its also a business and you dont waste that money on a guy who you are not going to play...

ronnie will be the starter next year, and ricky will be the backup... ricky will be a 10 carry per game guy... thats it...

you can say ricky is the greatest back in the league right now, but that wouldn't matter, to our team hes a 10 carry a game backup, and trading a 10 carry a game backup for a 2nd round pick is a no brainer... passing up a 2nd round pick for a backup running back is a wanny-esqu move...

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If Ricky wins his appeal don't be surprised to see him starting this year. Brown is all potential at this point he never had great production in college or last year. Ricky is the better back and will start this season if not suspended. Brown will be a great 3rd down back of course, but Ricky is a far superior player at this point.

Ghetti13 said:

My opinion will not change regardless of him winning his appeal. Yet, the chances of us trading him change of course.

If we can get a second round pick for him then you take it in a heartbeat. Simple as that.

Ricky is simply holding Ronnie back. Ronnie is very, very special.

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Based on what? He has never had the production at any level to come close to matching Ricky.

Blocking and catching are good skills but you want your running backs to earn their money running the ball.

Disagree.

Ronnie did not have statistical production at Auburn because he was superior to Cadillac Williams in so many ways. He could line up at wideout, something that Cadillac could not. He could lead block, something that Cadillac could not.

Because of this, it made more sense to use the more talented and flexible Ronnie Borwn all over the field, therefore, giving them a chance to play the talented Cadillac Williams at the same time.

Ronnie is not all potential. Did you watch him last year? He produced.

As a rookie, who missed camp and was not in game shape until week five or so, he had the same rush per carry average as the older and more experienced Ricky Williams.

Ronnie was explosive last season as a rookie, and will be dynamic this season as a sophomore.

I admit that this is a tough argument to make when dealing with a situation many people did not understand at Auburn.

If he had be the lone starter, he would have exploded to run for god knows how many yards.

Yet, since he was so talented, flexible, and team oriented, Auburn was able to use him all over the field, thus limiting his touches.

Nick Saban saw this and drafted him accordingly.

Ronnie will be the starter, regardless how the appeal goes. He is the superior running back in my opinion.

Mr772 said:

Based on what? He has never had the production at any level to come close to matching Ricky.

Blocking and catching are good skills but you want your running backs to earn their money running the ball.

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Compare rookie seasons. Ronnie is better. The only thing that will slow Ronnie down is Ricky taking his carries.

Wow, another Ronnie vs. Ricky thread. No way...I've never seen this before. Can't you just search for a thread thats already created instead of starting a new one every week. This topic has been totally over-analyzed.

This is like beating a dead horse.

All I can say is that it is my opinion that Ricky is simply holding Ronnie back.

I think Nick knows this and simply wanted to get value for Williams because he does have value to this organization.

If someone offers a second, Williams is as good as gone. I have little doubt about that.

PerfectFinz72 said:

Wow, another Ronnie vs. Ricky thread. No way...I've never seen this before. Can't you just search for a thread thats already created instead of starting a new one every week. This topic has been totally over-analyzed.

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Wah, I didn't know my wife was on this board!

Now I know why your name is Perfect!

I don't understand why people compare Ricky to Ronnie at this point in their careers.

1.) It's a stupid thing to do. One guy has been in the league 6+ years while the other is just starting his second year. So CLEARLY one has an advantage over the other. It's not like Ricky burst on to the scene as a stud. He was outshined by Edge his first few seasons...it wasn't even close really. It finally all clicked when he came to Miami and by that time he had a few season's under his belt and was used to the NFL game. Ronnie has just played 1 season.

2.) Why don't we just compare Ricky's first few season's to Ronnie's...wouldn't that make much more sense? People seem to forget that Ricky's only had one truly great season, followed by one good one while the rest were average (for somebody of Ricky's talent)

Ricky is a special talent and without a doubt one of the better backs in the league when committed, Ronnie is a special talent who's just beginning to realize what he's capable of in the NFL, it's just asinine to compare these 2 players at this juncture in their careers.

we can aregue bout this all day but like ghetti said, this is all based on opinion. most of the thread and all the things we post are... so none of us are right or wrong. i just think ricky should stay another season, help ronnie a little more cuz like i said earlier, ronnie is just a younger version of ricly. he just needs guidance. with ricky guiding him, there is no doubt that SOMEDAY, ronnie will be a better back than ricky just not yet.