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Yes, let's stop trying to fix the cause of the problem. Instead, lets just abandon ship and start allllllll over again.
Gase Had Tannehill Playing Like A "monster" Before His Injury Per Darlington
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Yes, let's stop trying to fix the cause of the problem. Instead, lets just abandon ship and start allllllll over again.
Here is one of the failed 4QC attempts that ends up in the Tannehill stats pile:
And here are two more from the same game:
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I totally agree. He was getting to this level prior to the initial injury in Arizona. The arrow was headed straight up. To me, and this has been the case since RT's second year: OLine should be the priority. And not just starting strength, but quality depth, because you're going to need good young backups. This year it looks like we'll finally have a little depth. Won't know it until the season starts, but I feel much more comfortable with our backups this year than any of the previous years. IMO, this is the key to our season - keeping RT healthy (major injury wise). You have to think that Gase is teaching Tannehill the little things that he can control to prevent the big injury (ie. throwing the ball away on 1st and 2nd down when the play is not there etc.).
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So what is the cause of the problem then. The FO ? They've hitched themselves to the Tannehill wagon too dude by not drafting his replacement. Everyone within the organization is banking on 2018 as being a succesful year, if it is great, if it's not they are all gone man. Really don't understand your point, if indeed you are even making one.
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My point is that Gase had a successful 2016. An injury-plagued season derailed 2017, but you want to abandon ship if 2018 doesn't go well? No thanks. You dont build a franchise by firing everybody every 3 years.
It was successful, absolutely.
But it cannot be ignored that this team played the 30th easiest schedule.
Only win against a winning team was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
They were 1-6 against teams that were .500 or better
They were 9-1 against teams that were below .500
Out of their 10 wins . . . 9 of them were by 7 or less
They still ended up 17th in Points Per Game, and were trending 20th before they put up 2 34 point games, under the direction of Matt Moore.
Eerily similar to 2008
I mean when you are a Dolphins fan, you take it any way you can get it . . . .but I think Gase’s 2016 tends to be overrated around these parts. It was great seeing Tannehill see his highest set of play in his career and the team play a playoff game . . . .but we said similar things about Tony Sparano, who had a significantly worse team and it just never manifested to something greater.
Then every single Gase pickup has just completely fallen flat here, especially in 2017. He also had some extremely questionable coaching moments last year.
So I fully understand the hesitation in embracing anything if you are a Fins fan . . . .you can be a fan without loving everything the team is doing . . . .they haven’t really given people a reason to rest easy.
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So with all that, are you implying that we should fire Gase, get rid of RT etc etc, if we dont make the playoffs in 2018?
I actually don’t believe this is a playoff team in 2018.
But unless we go something crazy like 3-13 or worse, as long as a Tannehill starts showing signs of returning to form during the season . . . I am ok with giving the regime another year to put it all together.
If he gets hurts and shows he is just not the same QB, yet you back him up with Fales/Osweiller essentially putting all your eggs in that basket by restructuring his deal . . . .that type of incompetence needs to be vanished from this team.
I would want a new think tank in charge to select their QB in 2019 while also having Tannehill entering camp.
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I actually like Gase a lot and agree we need to look for stability, but he and the FO are giving themselves very little wiggle room should things not work out for whatever reason next year with Tannehill. If we don't make the playoffs next year all of their jobs are in jeopardy.
In Kdawg's scenario of us missing out but Tannehill showing signs, it'll still be a surprise if at least one of those three elements is not gone, outside of our lame duck GM, Gase is the easiest to remove from the equation. Even in that scenario, we absolutely need to be drafting a QB high in the draft. Right now we have zero succession planning, and a lot of 30 somethings, this team is built around short term success, and personally I don't have too much confidence that they've done a good job in that.
But everyone should be sitting back and letting it play out before climbing to the top of the rafters or jumping overboard as like bignastyfish said earlier there's a lot of time to go before we'll see if action mimics the words that are coming out.
In Kdawg's scenario of us missing out but Tannehill showing signs, it'll still be a surprise if at least one of those three elements is not gone, outside of our lame duck GM, Gase is the easiest to remove from the equation. Even in that scenario, we absolutely need to be drafting a QB high in the draft. Right now we have zero succession planning, and a lot of 30 somethings, this team is built around short term success, and personally I don't have too much confidence that they've done a good job in that.
But everyone should be sitting back and letting it play out before climbing to the top of the rafters or jumping overboard as like bignastyfish said earlier there's a lot of time to go before we'll see if action mimics the words that are coming out.
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I would prefer to like Gase a lot as well -- but I was seriously disappointed by his overall performance last year...
That said -- I am more than willing to wipe the slate clean and -------- let's see what he can do now that he's reshaped the roster
in his own image (culturally and I certainly hope high-performance wise)! As far as Thill -- I really like the KID as a person and
he's definitely one tuff SOB! Also love his athletic chops and for sure -- he's a super hard worker.
Given that, if you're indeed a "fan" of the game -- and specifically my yammie dolphins -- how can you not be pulling for the dude!?
But the bottom line is proof (product performance) on the field. And most specifically in the WIN column.
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He hasn’t played in 20 games. How could this not create more doubt?
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Here’s an oldie but a goodie. Now as this is from 2014 it will be easy to pick apart. But I’m pretty sure you will pick it apart regardless.
http://grantland.com/features/the-question-of-ryan-tannehill/
and the debate goes on and on and on.....lol
Very possibly, but I still hate in when we blame the players for the team using them unimaginatively. Landry was a playmaker.
Yes he was however we were one dimensional regardless of how it came about. We need to move on and up. I wish Jarvis the best with his new team.