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When Some Of Us Post "negative/critical" Things

JahnDho said:
I echo many of these thoughts. I too want TBomb gone. I too believe he’s holding back this franchise. My conundrum is this: If the Fins have a solid season, sneak into the playoffs and lose in the first rd then Tbomb stays. This will hold back this franchise from being great for another couple years.

A poor season and both he and Gase are $*** canned, another rebuild and 3-5 years of who knows what.

I think the sweet spot is a mediocre 2018 season; where Gase shows enough of his scheme, coaching ability and maybe most importantly, leadership in keeping the team from imploding or going rogue. My concern is this roster is just not very talented. My hope is that Ross sees their mediocrity as a failure at the top in personel decisions throughout the organization and moves on from TBomb. Then gives one man, Adam Gase, the appropriate control and support to build an organization that can be a perennial AFC champion and Super Bowl contender. Build it the way Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Don Shula did.
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I agree with you pretty much spot on except that I am thinking our roster is bit stronger than you believe it is which is the reason for the 10 6 hype. I sure hope so anyway. The theory you used about needing to loose to remove Tbum from the picture is what I was thinking needed to happen a couple of years ago but now I am thinking if Gase has a whole lot of sucess he might get away with convincing Ross to run Tbum off. This may already be happening as the latest personel moves appears not to have Tbum hand prints imo.
 
BobDole said:
Seriously. If he's not involved in talent acquisition or draft picks ... I guess contract particulars is the big one left. And those contracts should be used as the example of what not to do in the future in order to not repeat the current cap situation.

What is left to defend?
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Agreed. Baum having a say in draft picks is a fiction that should die a painful death. But that does NOT mean he's not awful.
 
BobDole said:
Seriously. If he's not involved in talent acquisition or draft picks ... I guess contract particulars is the big one left. And those contracts should be used as the example of what not to do in the future in order to not repeat the current cap situation.

What is left to defend?
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Contracts I can buy. I think (stress think) Gase and Grier are picking the players. This is Adam's team, he should be held accountable for the results and to be clear I think those results will be good. Just worried about #2 CB and LB attrition but Gase was able to get to the playoffs with Donald Butler, Spencer Paysinger, Baccari Rambo and Michael Thomas seeing significant snaps. That's overcoming a lot IMO, even more so than Tankersley or our current backup LB's.
 
DolfanISS said:
Contracts I can buy. I think (stress think) Gase and Grier are picking the players. This is Adam's team, he should be held accountable for the results and to be clear I think those results will be good. Just worried about #2 CB and LB attrition but Gase was able to get to the playoffs with Donald Butler, Spencer Paysinger, Baccari Rambo and Michael Thomas seeing significant snaps. That's overcoming a lot IMO, even more so than Tankersley or our current backup LB's.
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Then I'd assume you'd also think Tbaum can only hold the team back (more then he already has) from here on out. He keeps proving how bad he is at his job only to keep being welcomed back ... in a league that basically has zero tolerance for failure. It's weird.
 
BobDole said:
Then I'd assume you'd also think Tbaum can only hold the team back (more then he already has) from here on out. He keeps proving how bad he is at his job only to keep being welcomed back ... in a league that basically has zero tolerance for failure. It's weird.
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I'm not protecting T-BOMB. I'm saying if the team fails in 2018 him being fired isn't the only solution. But yeah, I think we could do without him I would just hate to see everyone blame him if our 2018 picks and FA pickups fail because I believe Gase nd Grier (especially Gase) had a big influence.
 
DolfanISS said:
I'm not protecting T-BOMB. I'm saying if the team fails in 2018 him being fired isn't the only solution. But yeah, I think we could do without him I would just hate to see everyone blame him if our 2018 picks and FA pickups fail because I believe Gase nd Grier (especially Gase) had a big influence.
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Agreed. I just want all the possible scapegoats for why the team is perpetually mediocre to be gone. Unfortunately, I think one of them owns the team.
 
phintim said:
I agree with you pretty much spot on except that I am thinking our roster is bit stronger than you believe it is which is the reason for the 10 6 hype. I sure hope so anyway. The theory you used about needing to loose to remove Tbum from the picture is what I was thinking needed to happen a couple of years ago but now I am thinking if Gase has a whole lot of sucess he might get away with convincing Ross to run Tbum off. This may already be happening as the latest personel moves appears not to have Tbum hand prints imo.
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Good point.
 
Spiff said:
I might be in the minority here thinking that Ryan Tannehill is a good QB while at the same time I believe that Adam Gase is not a good head coach. I'd like to be proven wrong on the latter please.
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Here we go with the continued rhetoric of RT being saddled by his head coaches, and now by Gase. Maybe it’s RT that just isn’t that good? We are soon gonna find out. Again.
 
JPPT1974 said:
You just have to be positive that's all. But also keep an open mind as well.
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Think this is the type of thing people disagree on, you don't "have to be positive" to be a real Dolphins fan. Especially when you consider the team's results in the last 2+ decades or so.
 
Third Eye said:
Here we go with the continued rhetoric of RT being saddled by his head coaches, and now by Gase. Maybe it’s RT that just isn’t that good? We are soon gonna find out. Again.
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If you are interested why I have these opinions you can find the reasonings on this board as I've stated them several times. You could also ask. But don't bother me with that passive agressive ****.
 
Spiff said:
If you are interested why I have these opinions you can find the reasonings on this board as I've stated them several times. You could also ask. But don't bother me with that passive agressive ****.
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I’ll be sure to prioritize my research of said posts. Or not.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Key word is "realist." I also happen to predict 8-8, but I can accept 5-11 or 10-6. I can accept those scarred by too many years. And we see here everyday honest debates about players, coaches, schedule, whatever, so we're nowhere close to an echo chamber (and, no, you didn't say we were). What gets most of us riled up are the apparent trolls. 'Tannehill is worse than most backups.' The bashing of TBaum, as if he goes in a closet and makes draft picks. The inability to see any personnel move as a positive. 'Normal' people who disagree will stay in the same county as 'realists.' I seriously doubt anyone wants to ban those inclined to be negative as long as perspectives show some integrity.
To be fair, I think Tannehill is a 12-16 QB out of 32. Some negatives call me a homer, Those who think he's top 10 call me negative. So there's quilt on both ends.
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I think the term "realist" (as usually used to justify one's position on messageboards) comes from the pessimists guilt of knowing their own personal bias is as unjustified as an optimists bias. If they were really a realist they would hope for the best and seek to overcome the worst, negative expectations should not decide how they feel. Pessimists have the same guilt as they accuse optimists of, they fantasize all the negative outcomes and convince themselves and others that they will happen. They "know" it will go wrong, it's just a question of when.

A true realist will not give an opinion until all the facts are gathered, studied and balanced. They see things for the way they are, not biased by negative or positive schemes. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
 
TeeMoney said:
I think the term "realist" (as usually used to justify one's position on messageboards) comes from the pessimists guilt of knowing their own personal bias is as unjustified as an optimists bias. If they were really a realist they would hope for the best and seek to overcome the worst, negative expectations should not decide how they feel. Pessimists have the same guilt as they accuse optimists of, they fantasize all the negative outcomes and convince themselves and others that they will happen. They "know" it will go wrong, it's just a question of when.

A true realist will not give an opinion until all the facts are gathered, studied and balanced. They see things for the way they are, not biased by negative or positive schemes. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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Seems to me a "realist" can offer opinions based on information known at the time of the prediction. "ALL the facts" are never known when discussing any future result in which humans are a variable. Many posters here are "realists," but can offer opinions based on what is known and a little opinion thrown in.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Seems to me a "realist" can offer opinions based on information known at the time of the prediction. "ALL the facts" are never known when discussing any future result in which humans are a variable. Many posters here are "realists," but can offer opinions based on what is known and a little opinion thrown in.
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Obviously "all" is within reason of what is factually available. Some just lack the self awareness of their own cognitive bias in their reasoning.
 
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