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The Myth Of The "patriot Way"

fansinceGWilson said:
Don't want to debate 'Brady or BB.' I will make a comment, only for those who still think QBWINS. I'd like to see the NE record with Gronk/Edleman or both out, or with most of the OL out. Fans know the answer in general. Brady and BB are HOF, but don't discount the 'team' aspect.

Which gets me to the 'Patriot way.' It is nearly impossible to stop NE for an entire game. They respond very quickly with adjustments. It can be done, but rarely. THAT is the type of thing I want to see from Flores. Adjustments, game plans, mismatches, flexibility. It SHOULD be the 'way' of every team, but, sadly, it isn't. Fans saw how well the Rams adjusted in the SB . . . NOT. Or the Chiefs in the playoffs. Call it whatever you want, those are traits of a winner.
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The Patriots are 22-7 when Gronk is injured.
 
CoryMatthews said:
So you compare Bledsoe as overall records with coaches, but with cassell you just post his one good year? And Brissett started 15 games with the colts.

I think you are in denial about how great of a coach belichick actually is. He is the greatest coach of all time.
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54-63 without Brady at QB does not support your claim.
 
BobDole said:
I don't think something that continues to be proven every few years qualifies as denial.
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Right. Can't wait to hear all about his cheating ways at his HOF speech and the commentators really mentioning how great he is "but..."
 
Beating Tom Brady,

Doubtful this board remember Jim Bate "Vanilla 4-3" at the Phins. Jim Bate defense for never tipping its hand regardless of how the Pats lined up.

Go back and look at the game where Miami where Brady would walk on the field slamming his helmet knowing he lost the cerebral game to Bates and his MLB.

If you can make Brady think about where to go with the ball instead of knowing where to go and combine with an interior pass rush Brady can be beaten.
 
NorFlaFin said:
Beating Tom Brady,

Doubtful this board remember Jim Bate "Vanilla 4-3" at the Phins. Jim Bate defense for never tipping its hand regardless of how the Pats lined up.

Go back and look at the game where Miami where Brady would walk on the field slamming his helmet knowing he lost the cerebral game to Bates and his MLB.

If you can make Brady think about where to go with the ball instead of knowing where to go and combine with an interior pass rush Brady can be beaten.
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Another variation fans hear frequently - 'x is showing Brady new looks.' Brady is a master at memorizing D formations. New looks rattle him, yet, few teams do it
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Another variation fans hear frequently - 'x is showing Brady new looks.' Brady is a master at memorizing D formations. New looks rattle him, yet, few teams do it
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Few teams have the ability to do it.

That's why I'm totally behind this "multiples" approach.
 
Mach2 said:
Few teams have the ability to do it.

That's why I'm totally behind this "multiples" approach.
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I don't know if we disagree or not. All teams have 'the ability' to show new looks. If you mean 'don't have the talent to make it work,' I agree. I'm also a fan of 'multiples' and am interested in seeing the personnel Flores acquires. Even then, hiding looks doesn't require a top 3 D. I'll admit it isn't easy to implement from one Sunday to the next.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I don't know if we disagree or not. All teams have 'the ability' to show new looks. If you mean 'don't have the talent to make it work,' I agree. I'm also a fan of 'multiples' and am interested in seeing the personnel Flores acquires. Even then, hiding looks doesn't require a top 3 D. I'll admit it isn't easy to implement from one Sunday to the next.
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I think a lot of it is coaching. The ability to teach, and the refusal to accept less than possible.
 
Mach2 said:
I think a lot of it is coaching. The ability to teach, and the refusal to accept less than possible.
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I agree, mostly because it reinforces my belief ALL NFL teams have a LOT of average players. NE swaps people in and out and gets championships like clockwork. That's coaching. A number of players have said practices are no fun because they do the same things over and over and over and . . . OTOH, Flores has said he needs smart players because they'll be learning new plays and playing different teams regularly. That's still coaching. I may be the only one in the universe, but Brady is NOT an elite athlete. He's a good athlete with elite skills at reading and diagnosing. That's his game. Coaching gets the other players on the same page.

Again, we can call this any thing we want, . . Patriot way, BB way, winning team way. I don't care about the name. Coaching until the reads/reactions are automatic, gameplans and adjustments, constant variation. Those seem to be things the copycat league does't copy, and NE has the same number of average players as every other team.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I'm not certain if we agree or disagree. I don't like "formula" - implies specificity. Philosophy is a mindset. Willingness to adapt. While, on one level it's obvious, I see few HCs do it. Cripple the opponent's O. Again, obvious. Again, VERY few even try. What it's called is of no consequence. What's important is Flores has learned how to adapt, how to game plan, how to adjust. Vary his own O gameplan. Whether we call that the Patriot way or the way of winning coaches, Flores needs to do it THAT way
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Completely agree. Most coaches scout the other team, look at their own playbook, think about what might work and practice that, maybe throw in a couple new wrinkles/sets and practice that - and voila, that's this week's gameplan. The Pats on the other hand, scout the other team thoroughly at the player level - looking for pre-reads, tendencies, exploits, weaknesses on everyone. Then they install a gameplan, complete with new formations, reads, plays, etc. based on what they identified - not based on their own playbook or doing what their own players are good at, and it's not even about how to win - it's based on how to exploit and beat the other team. It takes huge effort from the coaching staff and smart, teachable players, but that's how they've done it.
 
GasPed said:
Completely agree. Most coaches scout the other team, look at their own playbook, think about what might work and practice that, maybe throw in a couple new wrinkles/sets and practice that - and voila, that's this week's gameplan. The Pats on the other hand, scout the other team thoroughly at the player level - looking for pre-reads, tendencies, exploits, weaknesses on everyone. Then they install a gameplan, complete with new formations, reads, plays, etc. based on what they identified - not based on their own playbook or doing what their own players are good at, and it's not even about how to win - it's based on how to exploit and beat the other team. It takes huge effort from the coaching staff and smart, teachable players, but that's how they've done it.
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XACTLY!!
Here's what I don't understand. Let's say NE will be playing a team with a good run game and an unproven QB. Just for fun, let's call them the Rams. what do you think BB's game plan will be? Stop the run? Make the QB beat him? Why is it all of these genius coaches think they can go in, run their standard game plan and win? Or, at a minimum, have a 'just in case they sell out against the run, here's what we'll do.'

Or the opponent's D. Two ways to beat Brady. 1) Rough him up early. 2) show him new looks. Granted, that's easier said than done, but some DCs go into the game with the standard D. Maybe the 'Patriot way' is 'let them do what they always do and we'll take advantage of it.'
 
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