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The Myth Of The "patriot Way"

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After an exchange with another poster about the wisdom of using the BB blueprint of success, it occurred to me that there really is no such thing beyond the most basic level.

The Pats win at a very consistent pace. That's the only consistent thing about them. They are not even consistent in what they do week to week any more.

BB has done it with the long ball with Moss. He has done it with dink, and dunk slot guys. He has done it with TEs. He has done it with a power run game.

He has done it with a conventional 3-4, 4-3, 6 DBs, etc.

The key is flexibility, and I'm all in. It takes great coaching, and a lot of coachable players, but the results are unassailable.

Thoughts?
 
After an exchange with another poster about the wisdom of using the BB blueprint of success, it occurred to me that there really is no such thing beyond the most basic level.

The Pats win at a very consistent pace. That's the only consistent thing about them. They are not even consistent in what they do week to week any more.

BB has done it with the long ball with Moss. He has done it with dink, and dunk slot guys. He has done it with TEs. He has done it with a power run game.

He has done it with a conventional 3-4, 4-3, 6 DBs, etc.

The key is flexibility, and I'm all in. It takes great coaching, and a lot of coachable players, but the results are unassailable.

Thoughts?

You left out the other teams' playbooks, extra helmet speakers, etc etc.

But ya...flexibility is great, but it all starts with discipline for those teachable players. You can't be worried about gum wrappers while being Captain Milktoast...it just doesn't carry. Hopefully this new guy has some of that type of leadership needed to carry this off.
 
You left out the other teams' playbooks, extra helmet speakers, etc etc.

But ya...flexibility is great, but it all starts with discipline for those teachable players. You can't be worried about gum wrappers while being Captain Milktoast...it just doesn't carry. Hopefully this new guy has some of that type of leadership needed to carry this off.
Wild Bill does push the envelope as far as the rulebook, not to mention the fact that he was probably on board/aware of deflation of balls.

Agree, you have to have players that are "coachable" ( is that code for intelligent?), and hold them accountable for doing their job in the context of the scheme(s).

That doesn't mean bed checks, and dress codes.
 
It doesn't exist, it's a narrative created by lazy journalists and adopted by mindless fans. Anyone who uses it seriously deserves to be kicked in the dick and balls.
 
It doesn't exist, it's a narrative created by lazy journalists and adopted by mindless fans. Anyone who uses it seriously deserves to be kicked in the dick and balls.
Dick and balls......nice
 
The majesty of a professional is to make something look easy.

You are embracing and denying the reason all in the same breath. You are staring directly at the forest and can't see it.

Bob Kraft is the creator of opportunity.

Bill Belichick is the architect of the plan.

Tom Brady is the plan's executioner.

This doesn't work without all 3. It is a unique happenstance of opportunity and ability. But without the conviction and faith to remain loyal to the relationship these 3 have forged, it is just another winning franchise. And not the model of excellence they have created that everyone else marvels.

To ascend to a dynasty, you need a Brady. He was the perfect piece of clay for Belichick to mold. But Brady has his own collection of skills that make him achieve his own success. He is not the best at much physically. And we've seen more intelligent football minds behind center. But he has a Joe Montana quality. He is the right player at the right time; not just for the Patriots' organization. In the game.

Belichick can win with anyone. He understands people, strategy and how to adapt. His mantra IS flexibility. Belichick is the true "quiet man". Always listening and adapting. He is a strong communicator. He says just enough at the exact precise moment. He is the Bobby Fischer of football.

Bob Kraft is the driving force behind the Patriots. He yields an unassuming power. He doesn't seem remarkable in any single facet. Until you realize that the Patriots have quietly went from a relatively unremarkable franchise to pushing the limits of known success. Mistaking that BB and TB are responsible for all of this is a huge miscalculation.

A real owner is moving pieces behind the scenes so his organization acquires the necessary influence to sustain its own success. Not easy to do when you have never been regarded as a football power. I would like to find a better word, but "shrewd" comes to mind. What Jerry Jones has accomplished as an owner off the field with his bravado, Kraft has accomplished more in his own relative silence.

Make no mistake, Kraft is probably one of the most influential modern owners. You don't sidestep the problems the Patriots have faced in the media if you don't have the league on some form of a string. The Patriots and The NFL have become a symbiotic existence.

To look at the Patriots and chalk it up to players and dumb luck, one would be missing the sheer amount of power, money, influence, opportunity and intelligence it takes to enact a dynasty of this magnitude and duration. Players come and go. This is a dynasty. It transcends players on the field. It takes powerful and intelligent people to reach this level of success.

Most organizations are fortunate for the stars to align for a single Super Bowl birth. Since Kraft became CEO in 1994, the Patriots have been to 10 Super Bowls and won 6.

Most organizations win because of a great QB, a great HC or a great Owner. They have all 3.

The Patriots have rewritten excellence in the modern era. It is an Olympic feat of accomplishment.
 
Wrong forum.

"The Myth of Patriot Way" belongs in the Beast of the East forum and is unrelated to the Dolphins.
I would disagree as we now employ many coaches with ties to that organization. That is the context in which the topic was initiated.

If mods agree with you no problem though.
 
I would disagree as we now employ many coaches with ties to that organization. That is the context in which the topic was initiated.

If mods agree with you no problem though.

They probably will.

You're entire OP is about the Patriots. Why wouldn't they move it?

You got one thing right. You called it a Myth

"The Patriots way" is a myth.
 
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When you have one of the best/lasting QBs of all time with one of the best coaches of all time for 18 years you're going to win a lot. Throw in some luck and rule bending/breaking and you have "The Patriot Way."
 
When you have one of the best/lasting QBs of all time with one of the best coaches of all time for 18 years you're going to win a lot. Throw in some luck and rule bending/breaking and you have "The Patriot Way."
Brady is definitely a major reason for their success, but it still required installing a variety of different approaches to, for the most part, an unspectacular supporting cast.

He has done the same thing defensively, as well. Adapting to the circumstances and opponent's weaknesses.

Having Brady under center certainly made it far easier. I just think the approach of being versatile, and unpredictable is the frontrunner of the successful philosophies today.

It seems that Flores, and both coordinators are all on board with the flexibility theme. I'm excited about it.
 
The majesty of a professional is to make something look easy.

You are embracing and denying the reason all in the same breath. You are staring directly at the forest and can't see it.

Bob Kraft is the creator of opportunity.

Bill Belichick is the architect of the plan.

Tom Brady is the plan's executioner.

This doesn't work without all 3. It is a unique happenstance of opportunity and ability. But without the conviction and faith to remain loyal to the relationship these 3 have forged, it is just another winning franchise. And not the model of excellence they have created that everyone else marvels.

To ascend to a dynasty, you need a Brady. He was the perfect piece of clay for Belichick to mold. But Brady has his own collection of skills that make him achieve his own success. He is not the best at much physically. And we've seen more intelligent football minds behind center. But he has a Joe Montana quality. He is the right player at the right time; not just for the Patriots' organization. In the game.

Belichick can win with anyone. He understands people, strategy and how to adapt. His mantra IS flexibility. Belichick is the true "quiet man". Always listening and adapting. He is a strong communicator. He says just enough at the exact precise moment. He is the Bobby Fischer of football.

Bob Kraft is the driving force behind the Patriots. He yields an unassuming power. He doesn't seem remarkable in any single facet. Until you realize that the Patriots have quietly went from a relatively unremarkable franchise to pushing the limits of known success. Mistaking that BB and TB are responsible for all of this is a huge miscalculation.

A real owner is moving pieces behind the scenes so his organization acquires the necessary influence to sustain its own success. Not easy to do when you have never been regarded as a football power. I would like to find a better word, but "shrewd" comes to mind. What Jerry Jones has accomplished as an owner off the field with his bravado, Kraft has accomplished more in his own relative silence.

Make no mistake, Kraft is probably one of the most influential modern owners. You don't sidestep the problems the Patriots have faced in the media if you don't have the league on some form of a string. The Patriots and The NFL have become a symbiotic existence.

To look at the Patriots and chalk it up to players and dumb luck, one would be missing the sheer amount of power, money, influence, opportunity and intelligence it takes to enact a dynasty of this magnitude and duration. Players come and go. This is a dynasty. It transcends players on the field. It takes powerful and intelligent people to reach this level of success.

Most organizations are fortunate for the stars to align for a single Super Bowl birth. Since Kraft became CEO in 1994, the Patriots have been to 10 Super Bowls and won 6.

Most organizations win because of a great QB, a great HC or a great Owner. They have all 3.

The Patriots have rewritten excellence in the modern era. It is an Olympic feat of accomplishment.

Wow. Helluva post.

But you're off on Brady. He might just be the most intelligent QB to play the game. And if you find me exaggerating, he's certainly top 5.
 
When you have one of the best/lasting QBs of all time with one of the best coaches of all time for 18 years you're going to win a lot. Throw in some luck and rule bending/breaking and you have "The Patriot Way."

And that it's always Pats AND referees vs opponent.
 
Wow. Helluva post.

But you're off on Brady. He might just be the most intelligent QB to play the game. And if you find me exaggerating, he's certainly top 5.
I don't know about his IQ, or MENSA score, but he knows the offense inside out, rarely makes mistakes on reads, and makes quick, decisive decisions under fire. He's right there with Montana in that respect.
 
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