1,000 text messages exchanged between Incognito and Martin

[Digital]

We are need to remember this all happened after Martin was removed from left tackle and moved to right. It seems he was not man enough to handle the change. I also would have loved for Lawrence Taylor to have the ability to text in the day. Now that would have been really great stories

I think the point about Martin performing at the lowest level of any NFL OT is woefully underreported. He wasn't bad ... He was THE WORST. The fact that he was demoted wasn't at all surprising. What was surprising was that it took that long for Ireland to bring in a replacement, and that Martin was moved to the RT instead of the bench.

Incompetency isn't tolerated in the NFL. He wasn't good enough. About a week after he was demoted he left the team. At that point he knew he didn't have what it took to perform well enough to be an NFL starter and wasn't likely to ever sign a highly lucrative 2nd contract unless he had a miraculous improvement in his power. THAT is when he left the team and set up his law suit.

Also, I agree about Lawrence Taylor too. He would have been a great follow if twitter had existed back then.

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[Wildbill3]

I understand your feelings on this but I assure you I'm not stretching the relationship between the two. And honestly, I also do not mean to be rude.
When you study law or even social behavior at an undergraduate and graduate level, one of the things you cover is the strong correlation between these similar versions of intimidation and coercion. It's now a given that most people have a post 911 view of terrorism, and the word terrorism has almost exclusively now been linked to political purposes, but as we all know and perhaps have tended to forget, terrorism itself -- by definition, is not limited to disgruntled shemagh wearing goat herders versus imperialist western governments. The fact is, that terrorism can consist of a myriad of differing scenarios. Bio-terrorism, cyber-terrorism, economical-terrorism etc. Bullying is a form of psychological-terrorism and although it is considered a lessor event, it is still in the family, as bullying often times may escalate into a terror event either as a result of, or as an expansion of. Think of many of the terrorists around the globe and what many of their complaints of injustices are against the U.S.; U.S. bullying their homelands is often on their lists even is the actual word 'bullying' isn't. So it's more than a reasonable inference to believe that an expertly schooled terrorism attorney, as a matter of training through their required curriculum, would have to have a deep understanding and thorough knowledge of bullying elements and the possible results of these events. You also have to take into account that even if Mom was the only expert in bullying, the odds of Mom acting unilaterally without consultation of her esteemed attorney / professor husband would be illogical.
I submit that the most probable explanation of the rush to get Cogs, the Dolphins and perhaps the NFL to it's knees regarding the "alleged" bullying of Ratfink was not the brain child of a sports agent, but the emotional over-reaction of a family who perceived a great insult and injustice. Understanding the potential of a huge payday, the sports agent simply took the ball and ran with it -- no pun intended.

Just my theory, as I know we may never know 100% what exactly went down, but as I said on another thread, circumstantial evidence in corroborating pieces have accumulated forming a distinctive tier of facts leading to the logical conclusion on the assertion of these facts.

Occam's razor... when among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

then. Richie is a meathead, and martin is a snake. simple.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

then. Richie is a meathead, and martin is a snake. simple.

Lol ... well said!

 

[Digital]

Terrorism is the use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing.
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively impose domination over others.

Standard definitions.

Anyone trying to draw distinctions should realize that they are similar actions with similar rationales to achieve similar goals of coercive behaviour. There are differences, but there are a lot more similarities.

The biggest difference is scale. Terrorism is generally regarded as group v. group, whereas bullying is generally regarded as individual v. individual.

The second biggest difference is motive. Generally bullying is intimidation to achieve an individual goal, such as obtaining someone's lunch money or forcing them to do a chore. Terrorism is to intimidate through actual actions and threat of ongoing actions to force larger payment from larger organizations or to force larger policy - level chores. Coercing Martin to pay for stuff would be bullying if one person did it, but might become terrorism if a group of people did it.

Peer pressure and name calling are often a part of bullying, nd it seems both happened. But, to imply that those two things are rare in NFL locker rooms would be exceptionally naive.

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[dlockz]

I understand your feelings on this but I assure you I'm not stretching the relationship between the two. And honestly, I also do not mean to be rude.
When you study law or even social behavior at an undergraduate and graduate level, one of the things you cover is the strong correlation between these similar versions of intimidation and coercion. It's now a given that most people have a post 911 view of terrorism, and the word terrorism has almost exclusively now been linked to political purposes, but as we all know and perhaps have tended to forget, terrorism itself -- by definition, is not limited to disgruntled shemagh wearing goat herders versus imperialist western governments. The fact is, that terrorism can consist of a myriad of differing scenarios. Bio-terrorism, cyber-terrorism, economical-terrorism etc. Bullying is a form of psychological-terrorism and although it is considered a lessor event, it is still in the family, as bullying often times may escalate into a terror event either as a result of, or as an expansion of. Think of many of the terrorists around the globe and what many of their complaints of injustices are against the U.S.; U.S. bullying their homelands is often on their lists even is the actual word 'bullying' isn't. So it's more than a reasonable inference to believe that an expertly schooled terrorism attorney, as a matter of training through their required curriculum, would have to have a deep understanding and thorough knowledge of bullying elements and the possible results of these events. You also have to take into account that even if Mom was the only expert in bullying, the odds of Mom acting unilaterally without consultation of her esteemed attorney / professor husband would be illogical.
I submit that the most probable explanation of the rush to get Cogs, the Dolphins and perhaps the NFL to it's knees regarding the "alleged" bullying of Ratfink was not the brain child of a sports agent, but the emotional over-reaction of a family who perceived a great insult and injustice. Understanding the potential of a huge payday, the sports agent simply took the ball and ran with it -- no pun intended.

Just my theory, as I know we may never know 100% what exactly went down, but as I said on another thread, circumstantial evidence in corroborating pieces have accumulated forming a distinctive tier of facts leading to the logical conclusion on the assertion of these facts.

Occam's razor... when among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

I still don't buy that being an expert on terrorism makes one an expert on bullying. If that was so would you bring in a counselor that deals with people being bullied to discuss a court case about terrorism of course you wouldn't. Knowing the inner workings of terrorism would in no way make some an expert on bullying in the workplace. People just want to blame his parents because they have legal degrees. Like I said if you had a court case there is no way you would bring in some counselor that is an expert in bullying to testify on terrorism or visa versa.
Neither of his family members are experts in so called bullying. His mom is an expert in employment discrimination of which bullying would be a part of possible curriculum but that also doesn't make her an expert on bullying.

 

[spiketex]

I still don't buy that being an expert on terrorism makes one an expert on bullying. If that was so would you bring in a counselor that deals with people being bullied to discuss a court case about terrorism of course you wouldn't. Knowing the inner workings of terrorism would in no way make some an expert on bullying in the workplace. People just want to blame his parents because they have legal degrees. Like I said if you had a court case there is no way you would bring in some counselor that is an expert in bullying to testify on terrorism or visa versa.
Neither of his family members are experts in so called bullying. His mom is an expert in employment discrimination of which bullying would be a part of possible curriculum but that also doesn't make her an expert on bullying.

His Dad is a very highly regarded career academic but his Mom is the Assistant General Counsel for Toyota US. She is in the corporate world at an extremely high level. While it is popular to blame her for this, I honestly think that it's unlikely that she planned it. I still think that he probably had a mini breakdown and her immediate concern was as a mother. In the course of hearing what he was going through she may have asked for the best legal advice under the circumstances, but it is far more likely that Martin's agent, Zuckerman, facilitated any potential exploitation.
Mrs Martin is in the really big time in corporate America. To hold that position, she has to be the best of the best. She doesn't need to find a way for Jonathan to exploit the threat of a law suit, she's already worth a mint. She has been painted as the wicked witch with a Harvard law degree who masterminded the mess, but my hunch is that she is a Mom of 320 lb baby with mental health and probable drug addiction issues.

 

[twix2500]

then. Richie is a meathead, and martin is a snake. simple.

Meathead is a hero!!

 

[NCFINFAN13]

I still don't buy that being an expert on terrorism makes one an expert on bullying. If that was so would you bring in a counselor that deals with people being bullied to discuss a court case about terrorism of course you wouldn't. Knowing the inner workings of terrorism would in no way make some an expert on bullying in the workplace. People just want to blame his parents because they have legal degrees. Like I said if you had a court case there is no way you would bring in some counselor that is an expert in bullying to testify on terrorism or visa versa.
Neither of his family members are experts in so called bullying. His mom is an expert in employment discrimination of which bullying would be a part of possible curriculum but that also doesn't make her an expert on bullying.

You understand that "bullying" in the context of the Martin/Incognito case is inclusive of the allegations of workplace harassment right? Jane Howard-Martin is about as expert as they come. This is her area of expertise. She has written articles, lectured, and litigated many workplace harassment cases.

This is simply not debatable.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

His Dad is a very highly regarded career academic but his Mom is the Assistant General Counsel for Toyota US. She is in the corporate world at an extremely high level. While it is popular to blame her for this, I honestly think that it's unlikely that she planned it. I still think that he probably had a mini breakdown and her immediate concern was as a mother. In the course of hearing what he was going through she may have asked for the best legal advice under the circumstances, but it is far more likely that Martin's agent, Zuckerman, facilitated any potential exploitation.
Mrs Martin is in the really big time in corporate America. To hold that position, she has to be the best of the best. She doesn't need to find a way for Jonathan to exploit the threat of a law suit, she's already worth a mint. She has been painted as the wicked witch with a Harvard law degree who masterminded the mess, but my hunch is that she is a Mom of 320 lb baby with mental health and probable drug addiction issues.

So because she is in the big time corporate America playground, you don't think she would want retribution for someone "bullying" her 320 lb baby? I would think the opposite to be true, as it's been my experience people tend to find it extremely offensive if someone dares ridicule and / or abuse their children. I know personally, I would be loaded for bear.
I would submit that a good litigator understands the devastation that a monetary judgement can create against their intended adversary ... particularly when the aim is to exact revenge or send a message.

 

[GoonBoss]

I understand your feelings on this but I assure you I'm not stretching the relationship between the two. And honestly, I also do not mean to be rude.
When you study law or even social behavior at an undergraduate and graduate level, one of the things you cover is the strong correlation between these similar versions of intimidation and coercion. It's now a given that most people have a post 911 view of terrorism, and the word terrorism has almost exclusively now been linked to political purposes, but as we all know and perhaps have tended to forget, terrorism itself -- by definition, is not limited to disgruntled shemagh wearing goat herders versus imperialist western governments. The fact is, that terrorism can consist of a myriad of differing scenarios. Bio-terrorism, cyber-terrorism, economical-terrorism etc. Bullying is a form of psychological-terrorism and although it is considered a lessor event, it is still in the family, as bullying often times may escalate into a terror event either as a result of, or as an expansion of. Think of many of the terrorists around the globe and what many of their complaints of injustices are against the U.S.; U.S. bullying their homelands is often on their lists even is the actual word 'bullying' isn't. So it's more than a reasonable inference to believe that an expertly schooled terrorism attorney, as a matter of training through their required curriculum, would have to have a deep understanding and thorough knowledge of bullying elements and the possible results of these events. You also have to take into account that even if Mom was the only expert in bullying, the odds of Mom acting unilaterally without consultation of her esteemed attorney / professor husband would be illogical.
I submit that the most probable explanation of the rush to get Cogs, the Dolphins and perhaps the NFL to it's knees regarding the "alleged" bullying of Ratfink was not the brain child of a sports agent, but the emotional over-reaction of a family who perceived a great insult and injustice. Understanding the potential of a huge payday, the sports agent simply took the ball and ran with it -- no pun intended.

Just my theory, as I know we may never know 100% what exactly went down, but as I said on another thread, circumstantial evidence in corroborating pieces have accumulated forming a distinctive tier of facts leading to the logical conclusion on the assertion of these facts.

Occam's razor... when among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Get the **** outta here. Hogwash.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Get the **** outta here. Hogwash.

What part exactly Goon? Because most of this was from my course work and training. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just curious.

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

Did I read something in here about drugs and Pouncey. I have been sick and though I saw a text that said they were with Pouncy and drugs.

 

[AL R]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-o...-incognito-and-dolphins-expected-in-1-2-weeks

Update on repor timing.