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16-year-old Scout Evaluates Dion Jordan

So you found some random 16 year old kid on the Internet who doesn't like the Dolphins draft. Going to the far ends of the Internet to find negative articles on the Dolphins I see.
 
and you believe him dont ya awsi? lol

kid puts it out there....I'm pretty sure he wrote him off like I did.

Jason Taylor is HOF candidate to be.
 
LMAO. ROFLMA.

This had to be the funniest attempt to thrash a Dolphins selection I've ever seen. Oh my god my stomach hurts.

I mean any 2 year old who knows anything about football can clearly sees the talent this young man posses.

Scouts Inc.

1)Dion Jordan (6-6/248)

Jordan signed with the Ducks to be a hybrid tight end/wide receiver but was moved to defense. He made an easy transition and starred at outside linebacker/defensive end showing super versatility and even covering receivers in the slot and tight ends. Jordan sustained a torn labrum and after the NFL Combine. It's expected that he should be ready for training camp if there are no additional issues with the injury. Jordan’s is a super athlete with a great first step and speed off the edge. His upside is sky high.

NFL Draft Scouts:
#1 OLB/DE, Dion Jordan
Rated number 1 out of 200 OLB's

SB Nation:
Dion Jordan

Dion Jordan possesses a rare blend of size and athleticism. At 6-feet-7-inches tall, Jordan moves like a safety. He has fluid hips in coverage and excellent explosion off the line of scrimmage. Oregon frequently called upon Jordan to cover tight ends and slot wide receivers one on one. Jordan's quickness and straight line speed will allow him to matchup with the athletic tight ends NFL teams are utilizing.

As a pass rusher, Jordan has plenty of room to grow, but few players in this class rush the edge like he does. Jordan gets incredible bend around the edge, showing the flexibility to maintain his speed and get after the quarterback. Jordan also has tremendous length for a pass rusher, which he combines with an explosive first step off the line off scrimmage to consistently beat tackles. Jordan also has great closing speed both when getting after the quarterback and chasing down ball carriers in the open field.

The biggest pros to Jordan's game are his upside and his versatility. This is just Jordan's third season playing defensive end after coming to Oregon as a tight end. He can stand up and play in space as a rush linebacker, but he also has the frame to add some weight and become a dominant 4-3 end. The possibilities are plenty if a creative defensive coordinator gets his hands on Jordan.

Jordan is such a rare prospect. He has so much ability, and the only challenge for his NFL team will be finding a way to utilize all of it on the field. Jordan's upside is that of a difference making franchise player on defense. He has the athletic upside to warrant a top ten selection.

NFL DraftScouting Report

Prospect: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
Height: 6’6″
Scouting Report:

Athleticism
+ Long lean, athletic frame with long arms
+ Very fluid edge athlete, turns hips well and changes direction with ease
+ Solid lateral agility, plays in space, can run with receivers
+ Above average straight line speed
+ Accelerates quickly, able to bend and turn the corner at high speed
+ Despite height and length, Jordan bends well and shows the ability to dip inside shoulder
+ Long and quick first step off the snap

Intangibles/Intelligence
+ Extremely versatile, can play standing up or from a three point stance
+ Multiple scheme fit, plays well on his feet and plays well in space
+ Able to drop into pass coverage, split out to cover slot WR and cover TE in middle of field
+ Gives consistent effort, chases from the backside and makes lots of plays down the filed
+ Good instincts in both coverage and vs. the pass, play recognition is above average

Pass Rush
+ Quick first step off the ball, long, powerful strides with ability to win with speed
+ Explosive edge athlete with impressive length
+ Turns the corner well, dips inside shoulder and shows good flexibility for his size
+ Battles with his hands can get extension and then shed with quick secondary move
+ Above average closing burst, good explosion, uses his length and size to eat up space
+ Utilizes a power rip move when rushing and occasionally a swim move
+ Can rush from multiple positions, hand in dirt, standing up, out of the slot
+ Runs twists very well, tough to handle when rushing from the inside

Run Defense
+ Can penetrate and beat OT across his face to get into the backfield
+ Use his arm length to his advantage to get extension and the shed
+ Plays with adequate leverage despite his height
+ Burst off the snap allows him to get into the defender and create disruption
+ Comes off blockers and is able to make tackles with is long arms
+ Dangerous from the backside with his ability to run down ball carrier from behind
+ Playing as an OLB able to get into the flat and make open field tackles

Technique
+ Good footwork when dropping in to the flats and into the middle of the field
+ Maintains good balance when running the wheel
+ Can disengage with suddenness and hand usage
+ Uses his hands well right now, can stand to be more violent with them

Overview:
Dion Jordan is one of the most versatile players in the draft. He displays great athleticism along with fluid agility which allows him to play multiple positions and drop into coverage. It’s rare to find a player with his size and length than can not only drop into coverage, but do it well. Jordan can drop into the flats and cover the middle of the field or even line up covering the slot receiver. As a pass rusher he can rush from all over the field via a two or three point stance. He’s got very good quickness and explosion which allows him to beat blockers inside or off the edge.

Jordan will have to add some weight and muscle to his 6’6″ frame to withstand the physical nature of the NFL. Versus the run Jordan displays a very good motor and hustle which allows him to make plays all over the field. The only knock on Jordan is his lack of physicality as he prefers to rely on his athleticism to win his battles. The sky is the limit for Jordan as he has one of the most complete skill sets in this year’s draft.

KFFL

As versatile as they make 'em
Strengths

Extremely explosive off the edge
Massive wingspan
Impressive versatility - has played with a hand in the dirt, as a standup rush end and as a slot defensive back
Plenty of upside
Good hustle and effort
Quick acceleration and first step
Does a good job of disengaging with his hands
Has the frame to add weight
Freakish athleticism

Jordan has a wide array of teams that could potentially draft him, mainly because of his versatility. He realistically could go as high as the Jacksonville Jaguars (No. 2), Oakland Raiders (No. 3) or Philadelphia Eagles (No. 4), but it is doubful he will fall past No. 9 overall to the New York Jets.

In The NFL 3rd Down is Called The MONEY DOWN: I wonder did this 16 year old knews this little nugget!!

Percentage of pressures and sacks came on 3rd and 4th down without comment. You can form your own opinion and if it means anything to you.

Percentage of sacks on 3rd and 4th downs

Mingo Werner Jordan Carradine Okafor
32.31% 52.27% 68.18% 50.00% 40.00%

You know what, we can get tricked with the Koa Missi's and Patrick Turner's and etc. But the Dion Jordan selection is not an illusion in our minds, the guy is that good, point blank period. Last time Ireland pick someone this high, he only went on to be an all-pro for almost 5 years, before injuries begin. Got #1. Long, #8. Tannhellill, #15. Pouncey and #28.Odrick . By this trend it seems the higher the selection the better he picks.

You can blame Ireland for alot the last 5 years, but flopping on the a 1st rounder, is not one of them.

So again..... a 16 year old ? BAWAHAHAHAH..
 
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You had to dig deep to throw the dolphins under the bus this time.

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https://twitter.com/Mackenzie45220
Looks like a young Norman Bates.

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I don't like what the Dolphins did in the draft mother.
 
Jordan, being a rare physical freak, is one of those guys that can end up nowhere or everywhere. It really just depends on how smart his coaches are. He does carry some risk, which you can choose to be optimistic or pessimistic about. If Sparano and staff were here, and tried to shoehorn Jordan into a particular role he's not well-suited for, I think there's a good chance he might bust.

Philbin and Coyle are much more forward-thinking, and will be able to carve out the right roles to maximize this kid's potential, which is why I'm not worried. They will move him around and maximize the disruption he causes. But I do understand where some folks (er...scouts?) might have concerns.
 
watch him on film. How often is he not blocked and makes a sack or stop? Often. Its easy to make a stop when youre not blocked. A few years back the Lions drafted a defensive tackle (Nick Fairley?) in the 1st round who everyone thought was awesome. But looking at his film, he was rarely ever blocked by someone! When youre not blocked, you'll make plays! And look how Nick Fairley is doing....not so good.

I would ask you to watch more tape. :). Jordan is going to be in the backfield a lot making plays.
 
LMAO. ROFLMA.

This had to be the funniest attempt to thrash a Dolphins selection I've ever seen. Oh my god my stomach hurts.

I mean any 2 year old who knows anything about football can clearly sees the talent this young man posses.

Scouts Inc.

1)Dion Jordan (6-6/248)

Jordan signed with the Ducks to be a hybrid tight end/wide receiver but was moved to defense. He made an easy transition and starred at outside linebacker/defensive end showing super versatility and even covering receivers in the slot and tight ends. Jordan sustained a torn labrum and after the NFL Combine. It's expected that he should be ready for training camp if there are no additional issues with the injury. Jordan’s is a super athlete with a great first step and speed off the edge. His upside is sky high.

NFL Draft Scouts:
#1 OLB/DE, Dion Jordan
Rated number 1 out of 200 OLB's

SB Nation:
Dion Jordan

Dion Jordan possesses a rare blend of size and athleticism. At 6-feet-7-inches tall, Jordan moves like a safety. He has fluid hips in coverage and excellent explosion off the line of scrimmage. Oregon frequently called upon Jordan to cover tight ends and slot wide receivers one on one. Jordan's quickness and straight line speed will allow him to matchup with the athletic tight ends NFL teams are utilizing.

As a pass rusher, Jordan has plenty of room to grow, but few players in this class rush the edge like he does. Jordan gets incredible bend around the edge, showing the flexibility to maintain his speed and get after the quarterback. Jordan also has tremendous length for a pass rusher, which he combines with an explosive first step off the line off scrimmage to consistently beat tackles. Jordan also has great closing speed both when getting after the quarterback and chasing down ball carriers in the open field.

The biggest pros to Jordan's game are his upside and his versatility. This is just Jordan's third season playing defensive end after coming to Oregon as a tight end. He can stand up and play in space as a rush linebacker, but he also has the frame to add some weight and become a dominant 4-3 end. The possibilities are plenty if a creative defensive coordinator gets his hands on Jordan.

Jordan is such a rare prospect. He has so much ability, and the only challenge for his NFL team will be finding a way to utilize all of it on the field. Jordan's upside is that of a difference making franchise player on defense. He has the athletic upside to warrant a top ten selection.

NFL DraftScouting Report

Prospect: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
Height: 6’6″
Scouting Report:

Athleticism
+ Long lean, athletic frame with long arms
+ Very fluid edge athlete, turns hips well and changes direction with ease
+ Solid lateral agility, plays in space, can run with receivers
+ Above average straight line speed
+ Accelerates quickly, able to bend and turn the corner at high speed
+ Despite height and length, Jordan bends well and shows the ability to dip inside shoulder
+ Long and quick first step off the snap

Intangibles/Intelligence
+ Extremely versatile, can play standing up or from a three point stance
+ Multiple scheme fit, plays well on his feet and plays well in space
+ Able to drop into pass coverage, split out to cover slot WR and cover TE in middle of field
+ Gives consistent effort, chases from the backside and makes lots of plays down the filed
+ Good instincts in both coverage and vs. the pass, play recognition is above average

Pass Rush
+ Quick first step off the ball, long, powerful strides with ability to win with speed
+ Explosive edge athlete with impressive length
+ Turns the corner well, dips inside shoulder and shows good flexibility for his size
+ Battles with his hands can get extension and then shed with quick secondary move
+ Above average closing burst, good explosion, uses his length and size to eat up space
+ Utilizes a power rip move when rushing and occasionally a swim move
+ Can rush from multiple positions, hand in dirt, standing up, out of the slot
+ Runs twists very well, tough to handle when rushing from the inside

Run Defense
+ Can penetrate and beat OT across his face to get into the backfield
+ Use his arm length to his advantage to get extension and the shed
+ Plays with adequate leverage despite his height
+ Burst off the snap allows him to get into the defender and create disruption
+ Comes off blockers and is able to make tackles with is long arms
+ Dangerous from the backside with his ability to run down ball carrier from behind
+ Playing as an OLB able to get into the flat and make open field tackles

Technique
+ Good footwork when dropping in to the flats and into the middle of the field
+ Maintains good balance when running the wheel
+ Can disengage with suddenness and hand usage
+ Uses his hands well right now, can stand to be more violent with them

Overview:
Dion Jordan is one of the most versatile players in the draft. He displays great athleticism along with fluid agility which allows him to play multiple positions and drop into coverage. It’s rare to find a player with his size and length than can not only drop into coverage, but do it well. Jordan can drop into the flats and cover the middle of the field or even line up covering the slot receiver. As a pass rusher he can rush from all over the field via a two or three point stance. He’s got very good quickness and explosion which allows him to beat blockers inside or off the edge.

Jordan will have to add some weight and muscle to his 6’6″ frame to withstand the physical nature of the NFL. Versus the run Jordan displays a very good motor and hustle which allows him to make plays all over the field. The only knock on Jordan is his lack of physicality as he prefers to rely on his athleticism to win his battles. The sky is the limit for Jordan as he has one of the most complete skill sets in this year’s draft.

KFFL

As versatile as they make 'em
Strengths

Extremely explosive off the edge
Massive wingspan
Impressive versatility - has played with a hand in the dirt, as a standup rush end and as a slot defensive back
Plenty of upside
Good hustle and effort
Quick acceleration and first step
Does a good job of disengaging with his hands
Has the frame to add weight
Freakish athleticism

Jordan has a wide array of teams that could potentially draft him, mainly because of his versatility. He realistically could go as high as the Jacksonville Jaguars (No. 2), Oakland Raiders (No. 3) or Philadelphia Eagles (No. 4), but it is doubful he will fall past No. 9 overall to the New York Jets.

You know what, we can get tricked with the Koa Missi's and Patrick Turner's and etc. But the Dion Jordan selection is not an illusion in our minds, the guy is that good, point blank period. Last time Ireland pick someone this high, he only went on to be an all-pro for almost 5 years, before injuries begin. Got #1. Long, #8. Tannhellill, #15. Pouncey and #28.Odrick . By this trend it seems the higher the selection the better he picks.

You can blame Ireland for alot the last 5 years, but flopping on the a 1st rounder, is not one of them.

So again..... a 16 year old ? BAWAHAHAHAH..

Why don't you give your own evaluation? Instead of always copying things from others. I give the kid more credit than you right now...at least he stands on his own and not on the words of others.
 
Can someone mail Awsi a happy meal or something?

Awsi is one of my favorite, and IMO one of the best posters on this site. It's rare to find posters as interesting and entertaining as he is.

But yeah, I do think he needs to buck up a little. Posting about a crappy football team basically involves posting about crap, but sometimes you have to find the positive even when you know you're reaching.
 
LMAO. ROFLMA.

This had to be the funniest attempt to thrash a Dolphins selection I've ever seen. Oh my god my stomach hurts.

I mean any 2 year old who knows anything about football can clearly sees the talent this young man posses.

Scouts Inc.

1)Dion Jordan (6-6/248)

Jordan signed with the Ducks to be a hybrid tight end/wide receiver but was moved to defense. He made an easy transition and starred at outside linebacker/defensive end showing super versatility and even covering receivers in the slot and tight ends. Jordan sustained a torn labrum and after the NFL Combine. It's expected that he should be ready for training camp if there are no additional issues with the injury. Jordan’s is a super athlete with a great first step and speed off the edge. His upside is sky high.

NFL Draft Scouts:
#1 OLB/DE, Dion Jordan
Rated number 1 out of 200 OLB's

SB Nation:
Dion Jordan

Dion Jordan possesses a rare blend of size and athleticism. At 6-feet-7-inches tall, Jordan moves like a safety. He has fluid hips in coverage and excellent explosion off the line of scrimmage. Oregon frequently called upon Jordan to cover tight ends and slot wide receivers one on one. Jordan's quickness and straight line speed will allow him to matchup with the athletic tight ends NFL teams are utilizing.

As a pass rusher, Jordan has plenty of room to grow, but few players in this class rush the edge like he does. Jordan gets incredible bend around the edge, showing the flexibility to maintain his speed and get after the quarterback. Jordan also has tremendous length for a pass rusher, which he combines with an explosive first step off the line off scrimmage to consistently beat tackles. Jordan also has great closing speed both when getting after the quarterback and chasing down ball carriers in the open field.

The biggest pros to Jordan's game are his upside and his versatility. This is just Jordan's third season playing defensive end after coming to Oregon as a tight end. He can stand up and play in space as a rush linebacker, but he also has the frame to add some weight and become a dominant 4-3 end. The possibilities are plenty if a creative defensive coordinator gets his hands on Jordan.

Jordan is such a rare prospect. He has so much ability, and the only challenge for his NFL team will be finding a way to utilize all of it on the field. Jordan's upside is that of a difference making franchise player on defense. He has the athletic upside to warrant a top ten selection.

NFL DraftScouting Report

Prospect: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
Height: 6’6″
Scouting Report:

Athleticism
+ Long lean, athletic frame with long arms
+ Very fluid edge athlete, turns hips well and changes direction with ease
+ Solid lateral agility, plays in space, can run with receivers
+ Above average straight line speed
+ Accelerates quickly, able to bend and turn the corner at high speed
+ Despite height and length, Jordan bends well and shows the ability to dip inside shoulder
+ Long and quick first step off the snap

Intangibles/Intelligence
+ Extremely versatile, can play standing up or from a three point stance
+ Multiple scheme fit, plays well on his feet and plays well in space
+ Able to drop into pass coverage, split out to cover slot WR and cover TE in middle of field
+ Gives consistent effort, chases from the backside and makes lots of plays down the filed
+ Good instincts in both coverage and vs. the pass, play recognition is above average

Pass Rush
+ Quick first step off the ball, long, powerful strides with ability to win with speed
+ Explosive edge athlete with impressive length
+ Turns the corner well, dips inside shoulder and shows good flexibility for his size
+ Battles with his hands can get extension and then shed with quick secondary move
+ Above average closing burst, good explosion, uses his length and size to eat up space
+ Utilizes a power rip move when rushing and occasionally a swim move
+ Can rush from multiple positions, hand in dirt, standing up, out of the slot
+ Runs twists very well, tough to handle when rushing from the inside

Run Defense
+ Can penetrate and beat OT across his face to get into the backfield
+ Use his arm length to his advantage to get extension and the shed
+ Plays with adequate leverage despite his height
+ Burst off the snap allows him to get into the defender and create disruption
+ Comes off blockers and is able to make tackles with is long arms
+ Dangerous from the backside with his ability to run down ball carrier from behind
+ Playing as an OLB able to get into the flat and make open field tackles

Technique
+ Good footwork when dropping in to the flats and into the middle of the field
+ Maintains good balance when running the wheel
+ Can disengage with suddenness and hand usage
+ Uses his hands well right now, can stand to be more violent with them

Overview:
Dion Jordan is one of the most versatile players in the draft. He displays great athleticism along with fluid agility which allows him to play multiple positions and drop into coverage. It’s rare to find a player with his size and length than can not only drop into coverage, but do it well. Jordan can drop into the flats and cover the middle of the field or even line up covering the slot receiver. As a pass rusher he can rush from all over the field via a two or three point stance. He’s got very good quickness and explosion which allows him to beat blockers inside or off the edge.

Jordan will have to add some weight and muscle to his 6’6″ frame to withstand the physical nature of the NFL. Versus the run Jordan displays a very good motor and hustle which allows him to make plays all over the field. The only knock on Jordan is his lack of physicality as he prefers to rely on his athleticism to win his battles. The sky is the limit for Jordan as he has one of the most complete skill sets in this year’s draft.

KFFL

As versatile as they make 'em
Strengths

Extremely explosive off the edge
Massive wingspan
Impressive versatility - has played with a hand in the dirt, as a standup rush end and as a slot defensive back
Plenty of upside
Good hustle and effort
Quick acceleration and first step
Does a good job of disengaging with his hands
Has the frame to add weight
Freakish athleticism

Jordan has a wide array of teams that could potentially draft him, mainly because of his versatility. He realistically could go as high as the Jacksonville Jaguars (No. 2), Oakland Raiders (No. 3) or Philadelphia Eagles (No. 4), but it is doubful he will fall past No. 9 overall to the New York Jets.

You know what, we can get tricked with the Koa Missi's and Patrick Turner's and etc. But the Dion Jordan selection is not an illusion in our minds, the guy is that good, point blank period. Last time Ireland pick someone this high, he only went on to be an all-pro for almost 5 years, before injuries begin. Got #1. Long, #8. Tannhellill, #15. Pouncey and #28.Odrick . By this trend it seems the higher the selection the better he picks.

You can blame Ireland for alot the last 5 years, but flopping on the a 1st rounder, is not one of them.

So again..... a 16 year old ? BAWAHAHAHAH..

Thanks for bringing this thread back to reality
 
Geez bent out of shape much over a kid's opinion? Wonder what kind of praise the kid would get had the kid said the opposite of Jordan
 
Geez bent out of shape much over a kid's opinion? Wonder what kind of praise the kid would get had the kid said the opposite of Jordan
he didn't so that doesn't even apply. I'll go ahead and defer to ted slimm jr. at least he isn't digging through countless draft blogs and articles and obscure postings to dig up something negative, he stands on his own work and if I agree or don't agree, I don't have to worry about vegas odds in his opinions.
 
Why don't you give your own evaluation? Instead of always copying things from others. I give the kid more credit than you right now...at least he stands on his own and not on the words of others.

My own evaluations? This is from people's who job's it is to break-down prospects. It's the internet people research things and form opinions from an open-source such as draft websites.

And they put it in more eloquently than I ever could. But whatever, I don't give a **** what you think. It still doesn't change the fact that what I post from the sources I trust and read and decide to share. Just like I can't stand that stupid ass picture on your signature I have to see every time you post. And I know for a fact, you're going to have to eventually remove that pic. It's a fact that picture is going to be remove one day.

And I've posted plenty on this site my own research, that I've spent countless hours on...
 
Wait.. Youre not seriously putting in any stock into what this kid says are you. There are holes all over his assessment which can be easily identified. This kids assessment is really nothing more than comic relief. He needs to take the diapers off (hitting puberty would also help) before he can be taken seriously and make any serious assessment of anyone, in and sport, for that matter.
Mackenzie Pantoja

High school junior from Cincinnati. I discovered this kid's scouting reports about a month ago. I absolutely love them, whether I agree or not. He's wonderfully blunt, and unafraid to take his own path.

Mackenzie didn't break down every player. In fact, only a few dozen. But he did include two of our picks, the Dions, Jordan and Sims.

Here is his take on Dion Jordan, written in January. I appreciate some of his angles, like looking back to where Jordan was rated prior to the season, as opposed to fixation on latest tape.

Obviously I hope he's wrong but it's an entertaining read:

http://nflmocks.com/2013/01/19/dion-jordan-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

"I’ll be pretty sad for the team that makes the mistake of drafting Oregon defensive end/outside linebacker Dion Jordan. The sad thing is that he’s probably going to be a first round pick."

<snip>

"The odd thing is that Jordan was considered by most to be a 3rd round pick heading into the season. He has made virtually no improvement since then (on paper and film), and is now seen as a first rounder. They were right the first time. And seriously; other than a small improvement in coverage, is there really a difference between last year’s Jordan and this year’s Jordan? I don’t see it."

<snip>

"Jordan is absolutely awful against the run. Starting with the positives, unlike most pass rushers who struggle against the run, Jordan’s effort is actually pretty solid. He really does put up effort against the run. He also has solid range. Beyond that, there is absolutely nothing to like. His instincts are awful, he lacks quickness, he’s too tall to get good leverage and doesn’t make up for it with good hand usage, he’s a mediocre tackler, his body control is mediocre, he takes poor angles to the ball, he isn’t a great tackler, his fundamentals aren’t great, his strength is awful, and his strength is so awful that it counts as two negative aspects of his game against the run. His strength is just so bad at this point. People say it will be better when he bulks up, but, if he gets above 250lbs, I don’t see him being fluid enough for outside linebacker, and I definitely don’t trust him to set the edge as a 4-3 end (more on that later), so he’ll be a man without a position. I don’t ever expect him to be good against the run."

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Plenty more. Enjoy :)
 
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