22 mill for ronnie?

[KB21]

The only way you will see signing bonuses like this curbed is for the NFL to make all contracts guaranteed, and you definitely don't want an NBA situation with salaries here.

The signing bonuses are the lesser of two evils. If Ronnie gets $20 million in bonus money, so be it.

 

[ch19079]

nomatter what, he will be getting paid A LOT for the next several years.

the bills 4th overall pick OT Williams is making 4 mil a year (not including bonuses), and has a 7.8 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT!!!. one of the highest paid players on the Bills, and he has yet to be the DOMINANT player he was projected.

in comparison, T. Spikes is making 3.5 mil a year, and has a 5.4 mil cap hit.

numbers thankls to clumpy. http://www.billszone.com/mtlog/archives/2005/02/17/billszones_2005_buffalo_bills_salary_cap_page.php

 

[aaron8906]

Looks like Wayne's gonna have to cough up some dough.

 

[MikeO]

Agreed, rookie contracts should be incentive based. NOT gaurenteed money.

Good god no. The NFL might go to an NBA style of rookie caped salaries, but never just incentive based. That wouldn't be fair at all.

 

[KB21]

Good god no. The NFL might go to an NBA style of rookie caped salaries, but never just incentive based. That wouldn't be fair at all.

There is always a trade off. You know that if the players association were to accept a capped rookie salary, they would demand veteran contracts to be guaranteed in return. Then, instead of guaranteed $15 million signing bonuses, players will be getting the entire $45 million contract they sign guaranteed.

 

[MikeO]

There is always a trade off. You know that if the players association were to accept a capped rookie salary, they would demand veteran contracts to be guaranteed in return. Then, instead of guaranteed $15 million signing bonuses, players will be getting the entire $45 million contract they sign guaranteed.

The NFLPA is a joke, you think they are smart enough to pull that off?

 

[Merman]

Originally Posted by phinphanphrommi
Anyone see an alarming trend here?

Let's do a quick study:

2004 Salary cap: 80.52 Million
2005 est. Salary cap: 85 Million

Increase of 4.48 Million, or a 5.6% increase.

How exactly are teams supposed to fit 1st round rookie contracts into the cap when it rises about 5% a year and rookie contracts are rising 20% a year?

God I hope fixed rookie contracts are in the next CBA... it's getting a bit rediculous.

I gave this thread 5 stars for this post alone.

So you are the one that gives out the stars.


I know no help was asked but it is needed. The 2004 cap was $80.582 million and the 2005 cap is $85.5 million, which is a 6.1% increase. Not much of a difference but that doesn't matter.

What does matter is understanding the 20% increase. It was not a increase in total contract amount. Manning signed a $45 million contract that could reach $54 million. Smith signed a $49.5 million contract that could reach $57 million.

Guaranteed money is not exactly the same as a signing bonus. Last year Manning received a $3 million signing bonus and his base salary for 2004 to 2009 is guaranteed. If Manning is released he would walk with the $17 million.

Smith's contract still has to be reported but he probably has an extra year of salary guaranteed.

The difference in total contract amount of $49.5 from $45 million is $4.5 million a 10% increase, which is still large.

 

[KB21]

Trust Bryan Weidmeier and Matt Thomas. Those are the guys who are working the numbers, as they are the salary cap specialists for the team and are among the best in the NFL at working those numbers. They will come up with a creative way to guarantee $22 million without having it take a big chunk out of the cap, and I believe this deal will be done by the end of the week.

 

[Merman]

They will come up with a creative way to guarantee $22 million without having it take a big chunk out of the cap,

That is defintely an oxymoron.

 

[inFINSible]

So you are the one that gives out the stars.

I should have given out 10% less stars. :)

 

[DrAstroZoom]

Folks, the business is the business. It's all well and good to throw up our hands and say Brown doesn't deserve that type of money, but the environment dictates the money he's going to get. As has been stated previously, what we can control is how he gets the money.

 

[Merman]

I should have given out 10% less stars. :)

The point was excellent. But I do wonder why some threads were getting stars and I knew you would take no offense at the comment. I even forgot to put in the smilie as I intended. :)

 

[inFINSible]

The point was excellent. But I do wonder why some threads were getting stars and I knew you would take no offense at the comment. I even forgot to put in the smilie as I intended. :)

Anybody can do it...there's a rating thing right at the top of each thread....I usually do rate the ones that I think are good just so people don't miss them....of course sometimes it gets abused, like people giving their own thread 5 stars or somebody giving more or less stars depending on whether the topic matches their opinion or not but, for the most part it seems to work okay...

 

[LithoMan]

There is always a trade off. You know that if the players association were to accept a capped rookie salary, they would demand veteran contracts to be guaranteed in return. Then, instead of guaranteed $15 million signing bonuses, players will be getting the entire $45 million contract they sign guaranteed.

No, not really. Because veterns contracts dont count fully against the cap. That's one way the NFL came up with to make them more desireable. The longer a vet stays in the NFL, the less their contract counts towards the cap. Meaning, if they make 1M a year, and they are a 15 year vet, their contract only counts as a 600k hit, I believe that percentage is right. If they wanted their contracts guaranteed, Im sure the NFL would cut this easement of their contracts out also. Then their careers wouldnt last near as long either then. The NFLPA vets will play ball, with a rookie guaranteed, but capped salary system.

 

[Schleprock]

Anyone see an alarming trend here?

Let's do a quick study:

2004 Salary cap: 80.52 Million
2005 est. Salary cap: 85 Million

Increase of 4.48 Million, or a 5.6% increase.

How exactly are teams supposed to fit 1st round rookie contracts into the cap when it rises about 5% a year and rookie contracts are rising 20% a year?

God I hope fixed rookie contracts are in the next CBA... it's getting a bit rediculous.

that's exactly what I was getting at with my first post at #9.