22 mill for ronnie?

[phinphan896]

What Can't Brown Do For You?
People need to stop complaining about Ronnie not being in camp. He was the second overall pick and first runningback (in a draft extremely deep in rbs) for a reason. He can obviously run, he's a great pass blocker, and an excellent receiver stop complaining because once Ricky leaves to marry Lenny you'll all be on his d*ck.

 

[LithoMan]

I dont want to lock Ronnie into a long term deal. I personally dont think he has what it takes for the NFL, but none the less, I just dont like long term contracts for rookies. Just give him a standard 4 year deal, with a guarantee of 14 million, total contract worth 19.85 Million. Front load the signing bonus, we can afford that! Give him 4.75 of that bonus this year! Then he hits the RFA market in three, thats long enough for him to either pan out, or bust. We dont need a 6 year deal, our cap situation isnt friendly to stretching out his bonus anyways.

Bottom line, just make it short term, with a bit more increase over what he would get for a 6 year deal signing bonus per year, and just roll that bonus into the front part of the contract.

Just a few numbers.

22/6 = 3.666 Alex Smith
20/6 = 3.333 Ronnie speculation
14/4 = 3.5 (my proposal)

These are the talked about signing bonuses. Mine would increase his slightly, to intice him to sign the four year deal, but still be manageable. These are just a yearly breakdown over the contract, but I would still front load as much of it as possible.

Year 1 4.75 million Bonus .25k Salary = 5 Million Total
Year 2 4.5 million Bonus .6k Salary = 5.1 Million Total
Year 3 3.75 million Bonus 1.5 million Salary = 5.25 Million Total
Year 4 1.0 million Bonus 4.5 million Salary = 5.5 Million Total

That would make it easy to cut him in the long term if need be, or let him go in RFA his fourth season. If he is worth it, we can always match the offer. Either way, it works for both parties.

Keep in mind, although it looks like about the same money as a prorated contract Smith got, for Ronnie for 6 years, most of that cash Ronnies fourth season, isn't guaranteed money. 4.5 million to be exact. That brings 19.85 Million down in a hurry. That would bring it down to 15.35, if he was cut, or lost in RFA. The cap hit we would suffer in his fourth year of his deal would be 1.0 Million. I think that works real nice.

But everybody "loves" Ronnie, and his agent knows it. So, they are going to try and hold out for that long term deal. Let him go back into next years draft, if he wouldn't sign a deal like the one I proposed. I would of lethim pass, everybody on here knows I didnt think Ronnie was worthy for us, but hey, like I said, I just dont like long term deals for rookies, meaning more then the standard four year deals.

 

[Schleprock]

What Can't Brown Do For You?
People need to stop complaining about Ronnie not being in camp. He was the second overall pick and first runningback (in a draft extremely deep in rbs) for a reason. He can obviously run, he's a great pass blocker, and an excellent receiver stop complaining because once Ricky leaves to marry Lenny you'll all be on his d*ck.

First, please lose the UPS related slogans, they are getting tiresome. Second, how is KiJana Carter or Curtis Enis or Lawrence Phillips career turnign out?

 

[3P]

So you are the one that gives out the stars.


I know no help was asked but it is needed. The 2004 cap was $80.582 million and the 2005 cap is $85.5 million, which is a 6.1% increase. Not much of a difference but that doesn't matter.

What does matter is understanding the 20% increase. It was not a increase in total contract amount. Manning signed a $45 million contract that could reach $54 million. Smith signed a $49.5 million contract that could reach $57 million.

Guaranteed money is not exactly the same as a signing bonus. Last year Manning received a $3 million signing bonus and his base salary for 2004 to 2009 is guaranteed. If Manning is released he would walk with the $17 million.

Smith's contract still has to be reported but he probably has an extra year of salary guaranteed.

The difference in total contract amount of $49.5 from $45 million is $4.5 million a 10% increase, which is still large.

I'll take your word on all the math... simply put "I ain't no mathematician".

Still, I think the point is valid. Even at a 4% increase over the cap per year... that's still adds up quickly. It's even more of an issue when you consider how the NFL market works. If the 1st rounders are getting a 10% raise every year... then I'm sure that the 2nd and 3rd rounders will want one as well. Also, as rookies being to set records for salary more and more often... you'll get the veterans who want to be the highest paid... and take issue to rookies making more than them. I'd be interested in a study of how quickly the salaries of NFL starters in general are rising in comparison to cap raises.

I understand that this is a business, and I don't fault Ronnie in the least for taking advantage of the current environment regarding rookie contracts. My issue is that I enjoy a team with several "star" players. With the current CBA set to expire in the near future, and surely the next CBA being negotiated... I just don't want them to overlook this issue, and realize it after the next CBA sets the rules for the next 10 years. I don't think a situation in which teams can only afford to pay one or maybe two big stars would be benificial to either the NFL, or the fans.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

He might be unproven but that is the cost of a top 5 pick. That is how it goes, we knew we'd have to give him a lot of money when we picked him. Cant say prove yourself and then get paid, that isnt how it works. We're paying for his potential, and hope that he lives up to being the #2 overall.

Thats how it goes but its ridiculous. Alex Smith got 20% more money than Eli Manning because he has a good agent and the 49ers are idiots. He wasnt being paid for his potential, he was being paid for his draft spot, and overpaid at that. At best he should have received the same money as Manning. Before he was drafted, Manning's potential was off the charts. He was going to be the next Elway or Marino. How many times have any of us heard that about Smith? Yet Smith gets 20% more than Manning???? Why?

The problem is that the bad deal signed by the 49ers sets the standard for the other 1st round picks. Now all the agents have ammunition to demand a 20% boost in salary at their respective players' draft slots, not because their players suddenly became more talented, or because the cost of living suddenly skyrocketed, but because some other team was stupid enough to agree to it.

 

[phinphan896]

Alex Smith= Ryan Leaf
Ronnie Brown= Barry Sander

 

[LithoMan]

All the incentives, and crap like that, dont mean jack. They want guaranteed money. Sure, I'll write all kind of unlikelys into their contract. Like that matters. I wont give them no cupcake unlikelys though. I will give them their due, but if they want dollars, they gonna have to earn them. I wont shaft a player either though, like Wanny did Ricky in 03. If they can make them unlikelys into likelys, and then part of their salary, I'm all good with that. But, they gonna be like 1800 yards rushing, and 2000 yards rushing, and 2500 all purpose yards, stuff like that.

All that cupcake crap like roster bonus, 20 TD's,a nd crap, forget that. If they making the yards, they winning me games. And thats what I look at.

 

[phinphan896]

They should get guaranteed contracts like baseball and basketball players. Would you want to sign a contract that has you making most of your money towards the final year and they cut you before your final year?

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

Agreed, rookie contracts should be incentive based. NOT gaurenteed money.

They need to make their contracts guaranteed money in the NFL. Just like the NBA. Then you can bring the price of the contracts down because if these guys get hurt they dont get paid and that sucks.

 

[Bowl_Bound]

Just because he was the second pick he cant expect to get near 1st pick money when he is a RB and the first pick is a QB!!!! QBs last for 15yrs in this league, RBs like 7. QBs touch the ball on every play and are arguably the most important players on the team. I hope Ronnie does not have delusions of grandure.... Boy my spelling blows

 

[yankeehillbilly]

No, not really. Because veterns contracts dont count fully against the cap. That's one way the NFL came up with to make them more desireable. The longer a vet stays in the NFL, the less their contract counts towards the cap. Meaning, if they make 1M a year, and they are a 15 year vet, their contract only counts as a 600k hit, I believe that percentage is right. If they wanted their contracts guaranteed, Im sure the NFL would cut this easement of their contracts out also. Then their careers wouldnt last near as long either then. The NFLPA vets will play ball, with a rookie guaranteed, but capped salary system.

Can you show me where you found this policy?
Veteran players with 4 year's experience or more that make the league MINIMUM salary only count 450K against the cap, but I was unaware of any regressive scale for cap charge for all veterans based on the number of years a player has played.

 

[Mike13]

I thought Ronnie was humble. oh well I dont expect miss to miss more than 2 weeks of camp.

 

[Void]

Collective Bargaining Agreement!
Seriously, the NFL needs to stop paying rookies so damn much. Every year the rookies get paid more and yet the same amount end up being nobodies. Tim Couch got something like $30 million from the Browns for being the first pick and playing a few seasons, Akili Smith got a lot of money (not sure how much) for winning all of like three games with the Bengals, we all know about Ryan Leaf...
These guys (Ronnie Brown included, just because we drafted him doesn't mean he's the second coming of Christ) have yet to prove anything in the professional league and yet demand more and more money. If a guy like Tony Gonzalez asked for a new contract (he did, few years ago) then you give it to him because he's proven himself every season. Alex Smith could break his leg, be unable to play, and just go home and relax for the rest of his life because he's got $20 million in his bank account. I really hate these rookie contracts, especially when it causes a holdout.

Everyone just admit you're all just jealous and want to cry cause you can't get that money. If another company wanted to offer you a 20% raise then if mcdonalds wanted to keep you they'd have to match it... I got no problem if the owners are gonna make that much money there is no reason why the players shouldn't get a piece.... we all saw what football was like with bad players = XFL...

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Everyone just admit you're all just jealous and want to cry cause you can't get that money. If another company wanted to offer you a 20% raise then if mcdonalds wanted to keep you they'd have to match it... I got no problem if the owners are gonna make that much money there is no reason why the players shouldn't get a piece.... we all saw what football was like with bad players = XFL...

It is not that. I would rather see someone who has proven themselves get paid the money. A player like Alexander or James than Ronnie Brown.

I don't see why they NFLPA, other then the fact they are in bed with agents, would be against a standard rookie contracts. The biggest benefit would be, the less money paid on rookies the more money that can be paid to proven veterans.

 

[Merman]

Anybody can do it...there's a rating thing right at the top of each thread....I usually do rate the ones that I think are good just so people don't miss them....of course sometimes it gets abused, like people giving their own thread 5 stars or somebody giving more or less stars depending on whether the topic matches their opinion or not but, for the most part it seems to work okay...

Thanks inFINSible i had not noticed before.