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22 mill for ronnie?

Damn, am I good, or am I good, I already stated all that way above the numbers you all putting out there now. I said 14 Mill, over 4. Its very duable, and would work extremely well. 14 Mill is 14 Mill, I choose to get it done faster. If he pans out, he pans out, otherwise we can be done with him. Its just plain dumb to lock a player up for 5 or 6 years. That is a long time, to be beholden to a player, and not to mention, if some genius tries to backload his contract, that is a nasty punch to the cap, if he is cut. If he aint cut, then we have a dead roster spot. Either way, just get the standard 4 year deal,a nd be done with it.
 
LithoMan said:
Damn, am I good, or am I good, I already stated all that way above the numbers you all putting out there now. I said 14 Mill, over 4. Its very duable, and would work extremely well. 14 Mill is 14 Mill, I choose to get it done faster. If he pans out, he pans out, otherwise we can be done with him. Its just plain dumb to lock a player up for 5 or 6 years. That is a long time, to be beholden to a player, and not to mention, if some genius tries to backload his contract, that is a nasty punch to the cap, if he is cut. If he aint cut, then we have a dead roster spot. Either way, just get the standard 4 year deal,a nd be done with it.
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Top first round rookies usually get 6 to 7 year deals because as big as those deals seem as soon as they qualify for Free Agency the deals get even bigger. Peyton Manning signed a contract with a true one year signing bonus of $34.5 million.

Ricky Williams was signed to an 8 year deal.

With the large signing bonuses 7 to 6 years of proration is also needed to not upset Team Salary.

Backloading a contract actually helps as the salary cap goes up every year. If the player is a bust he will not get the large amounts at the end of the deal. Even if the player is not a bust they don't usually get paid the large amounts at the end of a contract. Very recent and close examples are Madison and Surtain.
 
Did you all see Bostons arms in that picture...Jeez we need to convert him to LB.
 
I don't think the signing bonus for Alex Smith is that surprising when you look at the last few years.

2002 - David Carr $11 million
2003 - Carson Palmer $16 million
2004 - Eli Manning $20 million
2005 - Alex Smith $24 million

Eli's guaranteed money is almost a 100% increase from only 2 years ago. A 20% increase for Smith is actually less then what Manning and Palmer got. I don't know how these rookie contracts can grow so much from year to year, but I'm pretty sure it'll be an issue with the new CBA in a couple years. I know the veteran players would support a rookie cap, but it's the big player agencies that are going to fight it hard.
 
Merman said:
Top first round rookies usually get 6 to 7 year deals because as big as those deals seem as soon as they qualify for Free Agency the deals get even bigger. Peyton Manning signed a contract with a true one year signing bonus of $34.5 million.

Ricky Williams was signed to an 8 year deal.

With the large signing bonuses 7 to 6 years of proration is also needed to not upset Team Salary.

Backloading a contract actually helps as the salary cap goes up every year. If the player is a bust he will not get the large amounts at the end of the deal. Even if the player is not a bust they don't usually get paid the large amounts at the end of a contract. Very recent and close examples are Madison and Surtain.
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Oh, come on now. Peyton is a PROVEN vet. You dont need to have a 6 or 7 year deal, to spread the cash out. I did it in 4. My numbers work quite well.

One point, if the contract is backloaded, you know what that means, right? That means his guaranteed money, the signing bonus, is backloaded. That money is GUARANTEED! It would hurt more to backload, then to frontload. Point of reference on this, Dennis Greene and Brian Greise. Both got paid by former teams as they went to other teams. Thats why they get cut after June 1st. To ease the cap hits. Brian Greise is the biggest example I can give you. Denver had to pay him over 9 million last year, sicne his gauranteed money was backloaded. The salary isn't guaranteed. Just the signing bonus.

We got plenty of room right now, and I would suggest to get it out of the way as quickly as possible, even if he does get signed for 6 or 7, I would still get it done in 4.Or at least have his bonus down to 3-5 million in his last 2 or 3 years.
 
Ross said:
Man this sucks. If Brown turns out to a so-so back, we're screwed for years to come. I can't stand picking high. Too much of a crap shoot for that kinda of dough...

--Ross
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I agree. Picking high is a nightmare. If I had my way, I would never pick higher then 7th. Once in that range, contracts are much easier to negotiate.
 
smith will be a bust, Brown will at least be ok.

Do I like these signing??? no, Smith didn't deserver that much of an increase.

But this is the game we must play. Smith deserved a 5% increase just due to the fact thats what happens every year. But the increase is rediculas
 
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LithoMan said:
One point, if the contract is backloaded, you know what that means, right? That means his guaranteed money, the signing bonus, is backloaded. That money is GUARANTEED! It would hurt more to backload, then to frontload. Point of reference on this, Dennis Greene and Brian Greise. Both got paid by former teams as they went to other teams. Thats why they get cut after June 1st. To ease the cap hits. Brian Greise is the biggest example I can give you. Denver had to pay him over 9 million last year, sicne his gauranteed money was backloaded. The salary isn't guaranteed. Just the signing bonus.
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I understood that backloading meant higher salaries in later years - not guaranteed salary. You cut them so you don't have to pay those high numbers. The agents agree such deals because the headline numbers are so huge. When you pay a signing bonus or guranteed roster boni, those numbers are pro-rated over the remaining years of the deal. If you cut or trade someone - those pro-rated portions of already paid money have to be accelerated at the point of cut. If it's June 1, that permits the team to split that bonus acceleration money over the current and following cap seasons so reducing the hit in the current year. That's what the Griese case is about.

Have you read any of the arguments TO has about his contract?
 
LithoMan said:
Oh, come on now. Peyton is a PROVEN vet. You dont need to have a 6 or 7 year deal, to spread the cash out. I did it in 4. My numbers work quite well.

One point, if the contract is backloaded, you know what that means, right? That means his guaranteed money, the signing bonus, is backloaded. That money is GUARANTEED! It would hurt more to backload, then to frontload. Point of reference on this, Dennis Greene and Brian Greise. Both got paid by former teams as they went to other teams. Thats why they get cut after June 1st. To ease the cap hits. Brian Greise is the biggest example I can give you. Denver had to pay him over 9 million last year, sicne his gauranteed money was backloaded. The salary isn't guaranteed. Just the signing bonus.

We got plenty of room right now, and I would suggest to get it out of the way as quickly as possible, even if he does get signed for 6 or 7, I would still get it done in 4.Or at least have his bonus down to 3-5 million in his last 2 or 3 years.
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Where are you coming up with this stuff??? Do realize you didn't know about the verteran's qualifying contract either??? Since you didn't flame I'm trying to be easy going but please at least read a salary cap FAQ.
 
the one year we FINALLY have a high draft pick its not so good after all. I'm sure they will do something about this after the 2006 draft. This is one thing the PA and the NFL don't like. If Ronnie Brown is a bust he could screw our franchise for years to come. Im starting to think the #2 overall isnt that "good" afterall.
 
this is the problem with regards to the draft and cash, everyone waits till the #1 gets his deal done then everyone else falls in reguardless of what postion you play. Ronnie will get a 5 year deal in the neighborhood of 46 mil with 18 upfront/gar.
 
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