2nd Rounder for Feeley

[so-long-Ricky]

LOL, your ignorance is clearly evident. ANDY REID is teh one who SAID it in 2003. Yes in teh intial game Detmer would have replaced DM. That was NEVER the argument. The argument is if DM went out for an extended period, AJ would start the following games. They had Detmer active so he could hold for Akers because he was Akers pick. They have enough confidence in Detmer that he could play the game DM was hurt and then they can keep a qb inactive/emergency, thus freeing an active roster spot for another position. Yes there is a huge debate whether Reid was just saying that or whether it was true, but the fact is that is what was stated. There is no way to prove or disprove that since DM never went out for an extended period. But that was NOT an issue made up on this board.

Nope it is easier to just stay blind and not have to admit you may have been wrong. Judging based on your comments, you have teh "I am right and I have to be right for my ego" syndrome and wouldnt want to actually read for yourself.

The article was well over 2 years ago, and your implications are that we owe it to you to find it for you, knowing we wont, it allows you to keep your opinion. That is fine, you cling to it. Doesnt make your opinion fact.

Wow....you jumped right in there to defend your buddy.

Look below

AJ started because Detmer got hurt.

That is what I thought happened, I was not confident enuff to say for sure..

Any questions?
I'm done w/this topic.

 

[so-long-Ricky]

.....and just for the record (specifically infinsible & rickyrunsover) , I don't come here and troll posts to start arguments. I enjoy intelligent discussions on Fin topics or NFL topics in general. I'm definitely not looking into getting involved in heated arguments.

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is right off the bat, your comments regarding my initial post were condescending.

 

[GreenWhiteNorth]

1st rounder

I think Feely is so good. You guys are lucky to only have given up a second rounder for him. He is seriously amazing!

 

[PhinBeck]

Wow....you jumped right in there to defend your buddy.

Look below





Any questions?
I'm done w/this topic.

You were done before you started. What do those quotes prove? That not everyone believes Feeley was teh answer? Duh! Gee I needed you to point that out, LMAO! What does that have to do with the l/t replacement for DM had he been injured longer than 1 game? Nothing but like I said I knew that from teh beginning.

Was second too much? Well if 5 years down teh road AJ is completely out of teh NFL or a backup then yes it was way too much. If he is a competent capable starter on a super bowl contending team, then no it wasnt too much. NOTHING is proven for fact as yet, no matter how many of you BELIEVE it is.

What were the better options at the time? Garcia? No. Warner? No, Collins? He wasnt available at the time the trade went down. We tried to get Brunell or Ramsey, couldnt. It wasnt like we looked exclusively at AJ, but what they knew at the time AJ was teh best option. We werent getting Roeth River or MAnning, so that wasnt an option. Losman? Maybe but what has he proven?

Opinions arent fact. Dont present them as such.

 

[PhinBeck]

.....and just for the record (specifically infinsible & rickyrunsover) , I don't come here and troll posts to start arguments. I enjoy intelligent discussions on Fin topics or NFL topics in general. I'm definitely not looking into getting involved in heated arguments.

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is right off the bat, your comments regarding my initial post were condescending.

I am not trying to be condescending, but your point about Aj and Detmer was not 100% factual.

 

[abNORMal]

I think Feely is so good. You guys are lucky to only have given up a second rounder for him. He is seriously amazing!

That was funny (I hope u r kidding, if not, I hope you are the Jets GM)

btw, good luck with Feidler...

 

[nuffrespekk]

I've only been to a few NFL games outside Florida, but I was at the Philly-Rams game when AJ made his debute. It was about -10 on the field, and for a Bermudian like myself you don't forget cold like that!
Point to be made is that the final score was 10-7 (pretty sure it was anway, I was pretty drunk), with the only TD scored by the Eagles on an INT return. AJ got credit for the win, but he did absolutely NOTHING. I guess he didn't lose the game with one of his usual INT-TD combos though.
What Wanny saw in the guy still perplexes me to this day. The Eagles D carried that team until DM returned. Maybe a 4th or 5th rounder, but a 2nd!?!?

 

[abNORMal]

What were the better options at the time? Garcia? No. Warner? No, Collins? He wasnt available at the time the trade went down. We tried to get Brunell or Ramsey, couldnt. It wasnt like we looked exclusively at AJ, but what they knew at the time AJ was teh best option. We werent getting Roeth River or MAnning, so that wasnt an option. Losman? Maybe but what has he proven?

Opinions arent fact. Dont present them as such.

UR correct, the other options were horrible. I was pissed that Wanndstedt and Speilman were still around at the time to make the decision to get Feeley. (Although, if they were fired a year sooner, we probably would not have gotten Saban.) I just feel that they panicked and made a decision out of desparation, when we should have already had a QB in our system when Dan's abilities started to decline. It is almost like the blame for overpaying for Feeley can be shared by Shula, Jimmy, Wanny and Speilman. Shula and Jimmy for not grooming a qb to replace Marino and Dave and Rick for reaching/ overpaying for Feeley.

I also agree with your assessment that down the road Feely may prove to be worth a second (that would be fantastic), but at the time the deal was made I believe we overpaid...time will tell.

BTW, this is my Opinion, not trying to present it as fact.

 

[abNORMal]

I've only been to a few NFL games outside Florida, but I was at the Philly-Rams game when AJ made his debute. It was about -10 on the field, and for a Bermudian like myself you don't forget cold like that!
Point to be made is that the final score was 10-7 (pretty sure it was anway, I was pretty drunk), with the only TD scored by the Eagles on an INT return. AJ got credit for the win, but he did absolutely NOTHING. I guess he didn't lose the game with one of his usual INT-TD combos though.
What Wanny saw in the guy still perplexes me to this day. The Eagles D carried that team until DM returned. Maybe a 4th or 5th rounder, but a 2nd!?!?

Trying to keep warm, eh?

 

[inFINSible]

.....and just for the record (specifically infinsible & rickyrunsover) , I don't come here and troll posts to start arguments. I enjoy intelligent discussions on Fin topics or NFL topics in general. I'm definitely not looking into getting involved in heated arguments.

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is right off the bat, your comments regarding my initial post were condescending.

I apologize. You're right, I was condecsending. The troll quotient on this board is high, and I reacted badly towards your mistake, thinking you were one of them.

 

[Kucha]

I tend to be better off when I don't pay $4000 for a half empty jar of mustard. If we don't make the idiotic move for Feeley we maintain much more flexibility on draft day. That's what your analysis complelely overlooked. Let's say we retain the #2 and see Ben Roethlisberger sliding far beyond projection. There were 4 or 5 teams smack in front of Pittsburgh who already had young QBs, like Atlanta and Houston. Everything is rank speculation, but if we had the #2 maybe we could have packaged it along with the #1 and #4 later donated in the Carey deal, plus some other goodies, to vault ahead of the Steelers. Regardless, the Feeley deal is indefensible along with virtually every other decision Spielman tortured in his year at the helm.

Spielman and/or Wanny would not have traded up to get Rothlisberger because they felt that their primary need was O-Line. They may have traded up for Shawn Andrews but that's it. They really believed that they were a 12 win team leading up to last year...I clearly remember that Wanny said that he had (previously) refused to draft Drew Brees in favor of now-departed Jamar Fletcher because he didn't want to send the "wrong" message to the team and have them believe that he was going to take a few years to groom a new QB while they were getting older.

Their mind-set was dysfunctional to the ninth degree. It would have been nice if Saban would have come here a year earlier than he did because this mess of a team would have been easier to repair.

 

[PhinBeck]

UR correct, the other options were horrible. I was pissed that Wanndstedt and Speilman were still around at the time to make the decision to get Feeley. (Although, if they were fired a year sooner, we probably would not have gotten Saban.) I just feel that they panicked and made a decision out of desparation, when we should have already had a QB in our system when Dan's abilities started to decline. It is almost like the blame for overpaying for Feeley can be shared by Shula, Jimmy, Wanny and Speilman. Shula and Jimmy for not grooming a qb to replace Marino and Dave and Rick for reaching/ overpaying for Feeley.

I also agree with your assessment that down the road Feely may prove to be worth a second (that would be fantastic), but at the time the deal was made I believe we overpaid...time will tell.

BTW, this is my Opinion, not trying to present it as fact.

Maybe paniced, considering everything, but we got burned in 03 waiting on a Lt and were left w/o one. The other options IMO werent better options for us than AJ. Garcia would have been a Jay clone, Warner would have been dead. Waiting on Collins wasnt an option, he hadnt been rumored to be cut yet. They knew their draft position and knew the 2 in Wash were not going anywhere. Maybe it was a panic move. But it wasnt a see one qb and get him move. They looked at the options at that time and went with the best they felt was there. Waiting in hindsight may have been beneficial, but if they had waited and Collins wasnt cut and Losman didnt fall, we would have been stuck with noone but Jay.

 

[PhinBeck]

Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger
I tend to be better off when I don't pay $4000 for a half empty jar of mustard. If we don't make the idiotic move for Feeley we maintain much more flexibility on draft day. That's what your analysis complelely overlooked. Let's say we retain the #2 and see Ben Roethlisberger sliding far beyond projection. There were 4 or 5 teams smack in front of Pittsburgh who already had young QBs, like Atlanta and Houston. Everything is rank speculation, but if we had the #2 maybe we could have packaged it along with the #1 and #4 later donated in the Carey deal, plus some other goodies, to vault ahead of the Steelers. Regardless, the Feeley deal is indefensible along with virtually every other decision Spielman tortured in his year at the helm.

LOL we were not gonna get Roethlisberger. Maybe if they KNEW Ben would slide to the 11th pick going into the draft that would have been an option, using hindsight as an argument for what they should have done w/o having hindsight is in fact shortsightedness. I would have LOVED it had we gotten Big Ben, but you cannot use hindsight to say what they should have done. They didnt have that luxury. Everyone would have cried complacency had they waited and it transpired diff. They had already been burned teh year before by waiting.

 

[abNORMal]

Maybe paniced, considering everything, but we got burned in 03 waiting on a Lt and were left w/o one. The other options IMO werent better options for us than AJ. Garcia would have been a Jay clone, Warner would have been dead. Waiting on Collins wasnt an option, he hadnt been rumored to be cut yet. They knew their draft position and knew the 2 in Wash were not going anywhere. Maybe it was a panic move. But it wasnt a see one qb and get him move. They looked at the options at that time and went with the best they felt was there. Waiting in hindsight may have been beneficial, but if they had waited and Collins wasnt cut and Losman didnt fall, we would have been stuck with noone but Jay.

Agree 100%.

The way you put it, it seems that the move to get feeley was more of a calculated risk than a gamble. That very well may be how Speilman and Wanny felt.

 

[PhinBeck]

Agree 100%.

The way you put it, it seems that the move to get feeley was more of a calculated risk than a gamble. That very well may be how Speilman and Wanny felt.

That is how Spielman felt IMO, based on his comments at the time that is what is sounded like to me, Wash outbid them thankfully for us, tried to trade for Ramsey, they wouldnt hear of it. After that the options were Feeley, Garcia and Warner. Only one of those that had potential for more than a 3 year career with us was AJ. Yes it was a risk, but at the time we had Ricky still before he flaked, they felt that AJ could grow into teh position, had sat and learned and w/ Ricky he would be ready for teh next step. Yes they may have been wrong if AJ doesnt meet the expectations, but you have to admit he has been hit w/ alot of roadblocks since he has gotten here. Wanny who never wanted anyone to actually compete w/ Jay, RS who wanted Feeley, coord who didnt want the job, but wanted it in teh same token. Everyone wanted to call the offense and noone had teh same philosophy.

I think the problems were not in talent evaluations but emergency management. They couldnt figure out how to handle teh adversity, had no contingency plans, no backup plans. In essence the whole 2004 season was a clusterf***, no organization and no leadership. Had they been organized in control, had a solid leadership foundation, then you could have seen if these guys were talented. The worst mistake was Wayne waiting 10 months too long to get Wanny out, he lost that team by the end of 2003, they didnt believe in him anymore.