3 Things Philbin Wants RT to Improve On

[HoneyB]

what I want to read is the 3 things that Philbin must improve on......

 

[hoops]

Thats absolutely right. There is no point in wasting time with player development. Every rookie that doesnt show elite talent right away, should be cut.
Once a player makes a bad 1st impression, they should be dumped. Even when they were playing out of position.
Thank God we dumped Wade Smith when it was clear he couldn't play LT. He never amounted to much.

you could say that about every bum draft pick that has ever come thru the door...so save the lecture...

anyways he gets a training camp to show how improved he is...of course he was drafted to play tackle and failed so miserably there as a rookie maybe they are moving to plan b which is guard...but he better have really worked on his game to make a living inside

wouldn't surprise me if he got first crack at swing tackle in camp...cant say i'm excited about it...

 

[ANUFan]

I don't disagree that the biggest problem isn't his pocket presence, a bigger problem is his escape ability. He can't make people miss or isn't strong enough to break any tackles. If you watch Luck he ALWAYS makes the first and often the 2nd and 3rd guy miss, and rarely does the first guy get him down. Ryan rarely breaks a tackle and more often than not, the first guy gets him down. Marino couldn't out run my grandmother, but I say he wouldn't have taken 30 sacks last year. He had the ability to make people miss in a phone booth, and could use blocks in ways Ryan hasn't learned to date.

Ryan has very good speed but very average acceleration. Nor does he have a great feel for how to use a defensive players momentum against them. This is an area he has to get much better at, or it won't matter how much we spend on OL.

Last time I checked he wasn't a RB. Why in the world should he be evaluated for his ability or lack of to BREAK TACKLES?? Unbelievable!

 

[hoops]

a qb being dinged for not being able to "break tackles" :tubes:

 

[ANUFan]

Typical fan who can't take a real look at his qb. Just because the o line was horrible doesn't give Ryan a free pass when the time was given to him in the pocket. He holds the ball to long and can't sense pressure. If you can't agree with that then I don't know what to tell you. The evidence is right in front of you.

No, the "Typical" fan is a lot like you. Yeah, I see as soon as the ball is snap there are like 5 guys in the QBs face. But, from my couch at home watching the game. I see a small crack if he jukes this way and then twist that way and then jumps to the side backwards. That will create enough space so that he can then launch it deep to Wallace for a TD!

WAKE UP! This isn't Madden.

 

[hoops]

tannehill breaks as many tackles as lamar miller does...:sidelol:

 

[HoneyB]

This actually concerns me:

Philbin: "Some of that’s fundamental, some of that’s footwork, some of that’s release, some of that’s timing.
There’s a lot of factors that go into that.”

We're working on fundamentals?

The thing is, I've said from day one that I don't see that they're working hard enough to teach Ryan Tannehill what he needs to be a franchise quarterback. I think Ryan sees himself (and rightly so) as a talented player who is doing pretty darn well based on his lack of college experience, and the fact that he doesn't seem to be a natural at the position. But you have to work with a player like that. Someone had to drill in his head the year we drafted him, that he's nowhere he needs to be and needs to work hard, every day, on the off season, to get to the level he needs to be at. What has he done this off season? And has Philbin made any arrangements for him? I'm hoping that Lazor will be enough of a help.

Our offense, while not filled with pro bowlers by any means, did offer some flexibility for Tannehill. If he was the short/accurate passer type, the Chad Pennington-stay-in-the-pocket-and-shoot-with-deadly-accuracy, type, then he had Clay and Gibson and Matthews and Hartline, enough to do something with. If he was the Flacco-let-it-fly type, he had Wallace, who outran all his coverage. If he was the free-wheeling, improvisational type, he did have some opportunity to run and make a first down, and with our crappy O line, no one would fault him for having happy feet and scrambling, and rolling out and trying to make a play. But it just seemed that what we were doing wasn't working, and Tannehill never seemed comfortable to me.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

No, the "Typical" fan is a lot like you. Yeah, I see as soon as the ball is snap there are like 5 guys in the QBs face. But, from my couch at home watching the game. I see a small crack if he jukes this way and then twist that way and then jumps to the side backwards. That will create enough space so that he can then launch it deep to Wallace for a TD!

WAKE UP! This isn't Madden.

It's clear you don't understand the game.

There aren't 5 guys in his face every play... I"m not talking about those plays the oline fails him.

I'm talking about the plays he has sufficient time, the line eventually breaks down, and he doesn't do anything with the ball. Doesn't side step, doesn't step up in the pocket, doesn't tuck and run.

You are the "typical" fan of - it's not the qb's fault.... it's everyone else's.

The argument that there are 5 guys in his face every play doesn't hold water, because it is simply not true.

 

[ANUFan]

It's clear you don't understand the game.

There aren't 5 guys in his face every play... I"m not talking about those plays the oline fails him.

I'm talking about the plays he has sufficient time, the line eventually breaks down, and he doesn't do anything with the ball. Doesn't side step, doesn't step up in the pocket, doesn't tuck and run.

You are the "typical" fan of - it's not the qb's fault.... it's everyone else's.

The argument that there are 5 guys in his face every play doesn't hold water, because it is simply not true.

Sarcasm is clearly not your friend! Perhaps i should of said 10 to emphasize the point. What you aren't acknowledging is the cumulative effects of a QB getting that much pressure throughout the season and more specifically getting hit as much as he did.

You seem to expect the same level or awareness of 1 hit/sack vs. hit/sack number 58! WAKE THE FREAK UP!

Second point, R.Tannehill at times bought extra time by maneuvering the pocket. A fact, not surprising, you've conveniently omitted from your babble of a criticism.

As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end, "Go kick-Rocks!!"

 

[Phins117]

they envision dallas thomas as a starter...

What a ****ing joke. Not to mention him he wants RT...a QB to "Break tackles"? Are you kidding me?

 

[hoops]

What a ****ing joke. Not to mention him he wants RT...a QB to "Break tackles"? Are you kidding me?

it's not really a joke that they envision him as that...i'm sure they envision all their high picks as eventual starters otherwise why even draft em but that kid had miles and miles to go last year in camp before he could help anyone...possible not probable i'd say

 

[iambanned]

I just hope RT's deficiencies aren't just innate and as likely to improve as I am likely to grow taller at age 42.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

Sarcasm is clearly not your friend! Perhaps i should of said 10 to emphasize the point. What you aren't acknowledging is the cumulative effects of a QB getting that much pressure throughout the season and more specifically getting hit as much as he did.

You seem to expect the same level or awareness of 1 hit/sack vs. hit/sack number 58! WAKE THE FREAK UP!

Second point, R.Tannehill at times bought extra time by maneuvering the pocket. A fact, not surprising, you've conveniently omitted from your babble of a criticism.

As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end, "Go kick-Rocks!!"

An NFL QB shouldn't be rattled by getting hit that much. If he does... he is clearly not your franchise QB. He or any QB should have more mental toughness at this point in their career (if they made it to hte NFL).

You cut waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much slack to RT. Yes he gets hit a lot, but AGAIN THAT DOES NOT GIVE HIM AN EXCUSE TO PLAY POORLY WHEN THE TIME IS AFFORDED TO HIM!!!!! It doesn't matter if he is getting hit a lot.

Don't BS me with your second point. He does not buy ANY extra time in the pocket at all. It's laughable you say that. He isn't even aware the rush is coming most of the time.

You really really don't understand football, I'll no longer continue this back and forth with you because of that. Enjoy watching the games with your aqua and Orange glasses and RT jersey. LMFAO

 

[Sirspud]

I don't disagree that the biggest problem isn't his pocket presence, a bigger problem is his escape ability. He can't make people miss or isn't strong enough to break any tackles. If you watch Luck he ALWAYS makes the first and often the 2nd and 3rd guy miss, and rarely does the first guy get him down. Ryan rarely breaks a tackle and more often than not, the first guy gets him down. Marino couldn't out run my grandmother, but I say he wouldn't have taken 30 sacks last year. He had the ability to make people miss in a phone booth, and could use blocks in ways Ryan hasn't learned to date.

Ryan has very good speed but very average acceleration. Nor does he have a great feel for how to use a defensive players momentum against them. This is an area he has to get much better at, or it won't matter how much we spend on OL.

The only time he makes a defender miss is on 4th down on the last drive of a game.

 

[phinfanNY08]

In all honesty, if we want to see what kind of offense we are going to see here in Miami, we need to refer to the Eagles tape with Nick Foles starting. If I recall, It was tons of shotgun formation as well as some pistol looks. don't belive much was done under center, but I could be wrong.