4 those on the fire Sparono wagon...

[finfan54]

Are you saying that you want the regime back even if we don't win a playoff game this year?

It depends. If I see less mismanagement and more scoring TD's and we fall short vs. a tough playoff team like say.....Pittsburgh, by a couple of points. Yes, there is something to be said for staying the course.

The other thing is that we will be drafting a QB in the upcoming draft and going all out this time I believe. Not as many teams will be looking for a QB since the ones that need one badly just got one. So I want my new and fresh QB to keep the same offense in tact, provided there was much improvement, and keep everyone on the same page instead of everyone starting all over again.

I would think that if we land a "franchise" QB, that that is what you would want for them.

Sparano was a rookie HC. All coaches learn OJT. If Sparano wasnt learning from his leasons, that would be one thing. But I dont see that. He and Ireland have made moves from the obvious problems. Some will say we did not address the QB spot. I say nothing was worth it this year sacrificing draft picks and players. Next year, we will. Timing is everything.

 

[Phins28]

THANK YOU for a voice of REASON.

Everyone wants instantaneous success. I believe we're building a team properly. Although not being in playoffs hurt when the Jests are buying every player in sight. But that's the way contenders are built. Slowly and surely. The season hasn't even started and people care calling for his head. Heck, there hasn't even been one preseason game yet. The more people slag Sparano the more I think he'll last the season.

 

[finfan54]

Keep in mind also, I still have faith in Chad Henne minus his attitude. He is even-keeled. Good in one sense, not Marino-like in another.

I believe Henne was roadblocked last year with Henning. The timeing horn thing in offseason was BS. They were planning for a bland offense and they needed him to get that ball out quickly. It ended up screwing him up. If Henne turns it around in red zone, and he wins ballgames with good stats in TD/Int ratio and so forth, then I want Henne to be resigned (Yes I hear the loud boos) to a long term contract.

Joe Montana took 3 years to start to become great and he had great coaches. Manning was still throwing 20+ INT's going into his final year on his first contract. If Henne can overcome this whole offseason and ordeal and show marked improvement, then he deserves to be QB of this team. We would still draft a new QB, and then ultimately what you want is two great QB's so you trade one who is good (Henne) to another team two years from now and get a #1 pick again. And then draft the best damn football players that year. Hell, we may even be into getting another QB! Its a long process. like most things in this world that require patience and planning. unlike our current president who has the completely wrong plan. marxism never works. never!

 

[erralyn]

It depends. If I see less mismanagement and more scoring TD's and we fall short vs. a tough playoff team like say.....Pittsburgh, by a couple of points. Yes, there is something to be said for staying the course.

The other thing is that we will be drafting a QB in the upcoming draft and going all out this time I believe. Not as many teams will be looking for a QB since the ones that need one badly just got one. So I want my new and fresh QB to keep the same offense in tact, provided there was much improvement, and keep everyone on the same page instead of everyone starting all over again.

I would think that if we land a "franchise" QB, that that is what you would want for them.

Sparano was a rookie HC. All coaches learn OJT. If Sparano wasnt learning from his leasons, that would be one thing. But I dont see that. He and Ireland have made moves from the obvious problems. Some will say we did not address the QB spot. I say nothing was worth it this year sacrificing draft picks and players. Next year, we will. Timing is everything.

I am not being sarcastic at all, but I must ask...do you believe we will have the best chance at getting one of the top 3 QBs if we have another year of just missing out on the playoffs or losing a wild card game? And if the regime is again lingering in that same spot we've been in why do you believe that they are going to play a rookie?

 

[finfan54]

A post with a realistic point of view backed by actual facts and common sense doesn't get posted here very often. Wow, imagine if more posters followed your lead we could actually read and participate in some interesting debates.

Now back to the (enter name here) " ________" sucks threads, lol!

I am always searching for those who back up what it is they are saying. unfortunately, the long term memory banks in this world are serious lacking.

 

[finfan54]

I am not being sarcastic at all, but I must ask...do you believe we will have the best chance at getting one of the top 3 QBs if we have another year of just missing out on the playoffs or losing a wild card game? And if the regime is again lingering in that same spot we've been in why do you believe that they are going to play a rookie?

Well, yes. I think the whole QB thing drafting way up the draft is a crapshoot. Manning vs. Leaf is the one comparison most use. Many people at that time said they both were great. Now we know.

What I would be looking for is like the QB in Tampa Bay. He was drafted 19th I recall. He is big but has right attitude and is obviously improving and raising eyebrows. If we have to trade up five spots to get the guy that is like #3 or 4 on peoples boards, and you know you have a gem, then you go for it. I believe this years QB's crop will be better but I would defer to CK on this. I dont know squat. But I trust my eyes and discern as time goes on. Mallett is case and point. I was all for Mallett. Then i saw him with gruden on that show with the alcoholic golfer sitting next to him and all reports of attitude probs seen in interviews. I changed my mind at that point.

 

[nyashfan]

Since Nubs wont do it because he is incapable of being rational, let me help him out.......................



So he takes a 7-9 team(sound familiar) and gets homefield advantage with them in his first year. Then IN HIS 3RD SEASON, goes to the ****ing SUPER BOWL. PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR for his first 6 years. Yea, thats real similar to Sparano. :rolleyes2:

I could see how we would get impatient with results like that and want him fired. No way he wouldve ever made it to year 15 in order to win that Super Bowl. GET ****ING REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tony Sparano ****ING BLOWS. Get that through your head Nubs. You sound ridiculous with these nonsense arguments like trying to suggest Cowher is no better and that certain fans wouldve wanted him fired.

And how many AFC championship games did Cowher lose at home prior to winning a Superbowl? Was it 4 (SD, Den, NE twice)? Would Sparano have survived such a record? Plus, Cowher had the advantage of competing in a very dysfunctional division with little competition. Like it or not, Sparano took a 1-15 team to 11-5 and a division title. You can say Brady was hurt and the schedule was weak. Bottom line is 3 other teams in the division played essentially the same schedule and did worse. So it's unfair to say he's done nothing. Plus I think it speaks volumes that Jason Taylor was willing to come back and play for Sparano, admitting that his issues were entirely with Parcells. There is a lot to be said that players like playing for him and that he maintains control of the locker room. And the 'hot' Belicheck coordinators Mangini and McDaniels flamed out. So Nubs is correct, better to keep the stability until there is an epic collapse.

 

[erralyn]

Well, yes. I think the whole QB thing drafting way up the draft is a crapshoot. Manning vs. Leaf is the one comparison most use. Many people at that time said they both were great. Now we know.

What I would be looking for is like the QB in Tampa Bay. He was drafted 19th I recall. He is big but has right attitude and is obviously improving and raising eyebrows. If we have to trade up five spots to get the guy that is like #3 or 4 on peoples boards, and you know you have a gem, then you go for it. I believe this years QB's crop will be better but I would defer to CK on this. I dont know squat. But I trust my eyes and discern as time goes on. Mallett is case and point. I was all for Mallett. Then i saw him with gruden on that show with the alcoholic golfer sitting next to him and all reports of attitude probs seen in interviews. I changed my mind at that point.

Do you think there's any validity to the following statement? "If a team is looking for an excuse to not draft a QB high, they can always find one." Because that's my feeling. The last QB we used a 1st rounder on was Marino. I think if Sparano has another year lingering around .500 (and somehow stays..ugh) he will not want to spend his 1st on a QB.

 

[finfan54]

And how many AFC championship games did Cowher lose at home prior to winning a Superbowl? Was it 4 (SD, Den, NE twice)? Would Sparano have survived such a record? Plus, Cowher had the advantage of competing in a very dysfunctional division with little competition. Like it or not, Sparano took a 1-15 team to 11-5 and a division title. You can say Brady was hurt and the schedule was weak. Bottom line is 3 other teams in the division played essentially the same schedule and did worse. So it's unfair to say he's done nothing. Plus I think it speaks volumes that Jason Taylor was willing to come back and play for Sparano, admitting that his issues were entirely with Parcells. There is a lot to be said that players like playing for him and that he maintains control of the locker room. And the 'hot' Belicheck coordinators Mangini and McDaniels flamed out. So Nubs is correct, better to keep the stability until there is an epic collapse.

yeah, bill parcells was more dictator than flexible for sure. Now he is out of the picture. I like these last two drafts provided Edds and particularly Odrick show their goods. I completely feel that Parcells shadow has left the building and it shows.

 

[finfan54]

Do you think there's any validity to the following statement? "If a team is looking for an excuse to not draft a QB high, they can always find one." Because that's my feeling. The last QB we used a 1st rounder on was Marino. I think if Sparano has another year lingering around .500 (and somehow stays..ugh) he will not want to spend his 1st on a QB.

so your implying this regime was not looking for a QB. I suggest you rethink that notion if true. All reports were saying that we were hot on Dalton and a couple of others. Others said after the fact that we liked Locker. Well, teams thought it worthy to sell the farm and go get these two guys. I would say, good luck! See you in 3 years. What people want here is anyone who will give them cart blanch to blame henne for everything. the draft fell the way it did and we were not selling our picks. We didnt have a 2nd rounder. We needed a RB or two aside from OL. Fact is, any rookie coming in would not have any chance to unseat Henne any more than Moore will. Moore at least has experience starting in the NFL. You put that pressure on a rookie you can forget it. You can call it an excuse. I call it building a team. Pouncey was a solid pick.

 

[nyashfan]

so your implying this regime was not looking for a QB. I suggest you rethink that notion if true. All reports were saying that we were hot on Dalton and a couple of others. Others said after the fact that we liked Locker. Well, teams thought it worthy to sell the farm and go get these two guys. I would say, good luck! See you in 3 years. What people want here is anyone who will give them cart blanch to blame henne for everything. the draft fell the way it did and we were not selling our picks. We didnt have a 2nd rounder. We needed a RB or two aside from OL. Fact is, any rookie coming in would not have any chance to unseat Henne any more than Moore will. Moore at least has experience starting in the NFL. You put that pressure on a rookie you can forget it. You can call it an excuse. I call it building a team. Pouncey was a solid pick.

Plus Ireland and Sparano are to be commended for not reaching for a QB is this year's class, knowing that the real talent is in next year's class. They could've mortgaged the team's future in order to promote their own job security, but instead they did what was in the best long term interest of the organization.

 

[MexDolfan]

His philosophy is all wrong. Someone with the mentality of playing to win games.

I don't share your thoughts.
Sparano is very strong minded, he wants perfect execution, focused on a strong defense and powerful offense.

His weakness is he's too open to changes. He tested a ton of times to correct what he worries the most: O-line. His search for perfection went too far and broke the mentality leaving this unit without collective identity.

But Tony Sparano knows and recognize it was his fault and you can take for sure he's doing the chores of adjusting this year's offensive line and will give them the same space to fortify that Henne will have.

 

[Tim1958]

I don't know the whole reason, but it sure isn't the head coach. We have been through multiple owners and a zillion coaches with the same results for the last 37 years. In that entire period and even since the franchise was issued there has been one constant. Our Dolphins every single year try to find some diamond in the rough that everyone else missed on. Every single draft pick with very few exceptions is a reach. Even when we draft in the top 10. We use the same philosophy in free agency. There have been dozens of teams built, win and get old and rebuild again in the same period of time that we have been attempting to add even just a few pieces. In 17 years, we never did manage to put together a running game or defense to go with Dan Marino's vast talents, what a waste! While we have struggled ever since Marino's retirement to find a decent QB, other teams have found them. Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, Sanchez just to name a few since Sparano got here. Who on this roster is a legitimate all pro? Long, Marshall maybe Wake? That's it barring a breakout year from one of our "diamonds in the rough". Look at what the Jets, Bucs and Eagles have done in the last 3 years that we have been unable to do in the last 10 years! This franchise has just always refused to hire the blue chip players. We used to blame it on Joe Robbie being cheap and not wanting to pay those top flight players. But after changing owners several times, what's the reason now?

 

[BlueFin]

Since Nubs wont do it because he is incapable of being rational, let me help him out.......................



So he takes a 7-9 team(sound familiar) and gets homefield advantage with them in his first year. Then IN HIS 3RD SEASON, goes to the ****ing SUPER BOWL. PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR for his first 6 years. Yea, thats real similar to Sparano. :rolleyes2:

I could see how we would get impatient with results like that and want him fired. No way he wouldve ever made it to year 15 in order to win that Super Bowl. GET ****ING REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tony Sparano ****ING BLOWS. Get that through your head Nubs. You sound ridiculous with these nonsense arguments like trying to suggest Cowher is no better and that certain fans wouldve wanted him fired.

You know its getting bad when the supporters of mediocrity have to re-write history trying in vain to defend this comedy.

First I'm reading that Henne's numbers in his career so far somehow equate to the start Phillip Rivers and Brett Favre had, and now Tony Sparano's joke of an NFL head coaching career is somehow on a par with the start of Bill Cowher.

Please, if you want to believe I guess you have the right....but please don't re-write history.

 

[BlueFin]

Do you think there's any validity to the following statement? "If a team is looking for an excuse to not draft a QB high, they can always find one." Because that's my feeling. The last QB we used a 1st rounder on was Marino. I think if Sparano has another year lingering around .500 (and somehow stays..ugh) he will not want to spend his 1st on a QB.

Of course not, so we can just keep putting off what we really need all in grand name of "win now".

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it!