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A Psych insight into J. Martin

It's difficult for someone performing a psychological evaluation to know the full truth about someone if that person is trying to present himself in a positive light, which would presumably be the case in a pre-draft evaluation. It's made that much more difficult when the person suffers from psychological problems that manifest themselves more internally (e.g., suicidal ideation, interpersonal discomfort, etc.) than externally (e.g., arrests for fighting, weapons charges, etc.).

In other words, the pre-draft psychological information obtained from Martin could be relatively worthless.
Well, then that would be on Martin for intentionally misleading evaluators, who could hardly
be held responsible for drafting someone of questionable psycological makeup who was actively
trying to hide it. Further, you could claim that it would be on those in his life that KNEW about
his issues to make prospective teams aware of the issues, knowing that a football locker room
is not a healthy place for that person to be.
 
Well, then that would be on Martin for intentionally misleading evaluators, who could hardly
be held responsible for drafting someone of questionable psycological makeup who was actively
trying to hide it. Further, you could claim that it would be on those in his life that KNEW about
his issues to make prospective teams aware of the issues, knowing that a football locker room
is not a healthy place for that person to be.
Oh sure it's on Martin. I agree. But the problem is that no one involved in this case who's trying to find out the truth about it is going to be able to look back at that evaluation and find anything of merit to balance what Martin is saying now about the effects of the Dolphins' locker room on his psyche.

If he truly had pre-existing psychological difficulties, and he had been honest about them in that evaluation, then it could be a weighty piece of evidence against his case. But I doubt that's going to be the case.
 
Oh sure it's on Martin. I agree. But the problem is that no one involved in this case who's trying to find out the truth about it is going to be able to look back at that evaluation and find anything of merit to balance what Martin is saying now about the effects of the Dolphins' locker room on his psyche.

If he truly had pre-existing psychological difficulties, and he had been honest about them in that evaluation, then it could be a weighty piece of evidence against his case. But I doubt that's going to be the case.
Oh, I don't know. I think it's going to come out that he had all manner of psycological dysfunction, but,
tragicly, his parents didn't know, school evaluators didn't catch it, and he was just another example of the
uncaring nature of society....Then, the Dolphins players made him snap, and blah blah blah.
 
Oh sure it's on Martin. I agree. But the problem is that no one involved in this case who's trying to find out the truth about it is going to be able to look back at that evaluation and find anything of merit to balance what Martin is saying now about the effects of the Dolphins' locker room on his psyche.

If he truly had pre-existing psychological difficulties, and he had been honest about them in that evaluation, then it could be a weighty piece of evidence against his case. But I doubt that's going to be the case.

Until there is corroborating evidence to support Martin's tales of alleged harassment and abuse, as there are presently voluminous locker room testimony stating otherwise, I will categorically reject the assumption that Martin's perception of reality is anything other than warped -either predicated on drug abuse, discomfort born from inability to gender bond and/or fueled by some ivory tower parents of a litigious nature, with certain axes to grind and no realistic sense of what the average NFL locker room is like.
 
Actually a person with a Schizoid Personality Disorder and is an accomplished athlete like Martin would absolutely seek to rejoin a team.

A team is the one place where Martin likely felt like he belonged.

Personality Disorders to the person who suffers from them taste like water to them - in other words its not like he feels anxious or upset because he comes across as strange or weird to others - he likely does not even realize he comes across that way. Plus his parents sound like super self absorbed people who have $ and power and are demanding that their Jonathan be put back in the league.

This is on Ireland and company folks - if they missed the warning signs of a troubled personality disorder of this type they shot themselves in the foot.

I am not trying to let Martin off the hook for a second - he blew this up or his peoples did but Ireland brought the gunpowder into a building full of sparks!

His supposed sickness will not become fact. You know why? Health issues remain between him and his doctor and in private with the league. this is how Roger Goodell's world exists. He is a lawyer who is looking to provide Jonathan a nice transition here. Meanwhile, the dolphins will get screwed, for what we will never know because he never told anyone anything!!!

He is a sick man allright.
 
His supposed sickness will not become fact. You know why? Health issues remain between him and his doctor and in private with the league. this is how Roger Goodell's world exists. He is a lawyer who is looking to provide Jonathan a nice transition here. Meanwhile, the dolphins will get screwed, for what we will never know because he never told anyone anything!!!

He is a sick man allright.
Not if he puts them on trial. Then a court order overrules that kind of confidentiality, and the records become public.
 
This just in, shouright is apparently as much of a quack in the field of psychology as he is in the field of sports statistics.
 
:bobdole:

I have no words. A professional can't diagnose a personality disorder until seeing someone for several months, and the OP is trying to to do it off of a few short clips of him speaking and secondhand accounts from his teammates? And what the **** is Shaowrong even talking about? The only time the courts are going to order records be opened is if an individual's safety is in imminent danger. And even then, they almost never have to because the person who holds the records would disclose that information well before the courts would have to intervene. What normally happens when they need information is the provider is called to testify during the trial. All kinds of fail going on in this thread.

Look, it's already been released that no team found any psychological issues with him during the pre-draft process. As a first round prospect that probably means at least 20 teams vetted him, and likely more. And while it's impossible to say without sitting down and talking with him, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that would lead me to believe he has a mental illness. This PTSD claim is beyond ridiculous in my opinion, but I guess not impossible if Martin is someone so mentally weak that some teasing and gay jokes is causing him to lose sleep and have random panic attacks. But no one can know unless you have regular meetings with him designed specifically to tease this kind of stuff out. This thread is ridiculous...
 
:bobdole:

I have no words. A professional can't diagnose a personality disorder until seeing someone for several months, and the OP is trying to to do it off of a few short clips of him speaking and secondhand accounts from his teammates? And what the **** is Shaowrong even talking about? The only time the courts are going to order records be opened is if an individual's safety is in imminent danger. And even then, they almost never have to because the person who holds the records would disclose that information well before the courts would have to intervene. What normally happens when they need information is the provider is called to testify during the trial. All kinds of fail going on in this thread.

Look, it's already been released that no team found any psychological issues with him during the pre-draft process. As a first round prospect that probably means at least 20 teams vetted him, and likely more. And while it's impossible to say without sitting down and talking with him, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that would lead me to believe he has a mental illness. This PTSD claim is beyond ridiculous in my opinion, but I guess not impossible if Martin is someone so mentally weak that some teasing and gay jokes is causing him to lose sleep and have random panic attacks. But no one can know unless you have regular meetings with him designed specifically to tease this kind of stuff out. This thread is ridiculous...
Never stopped us before...
 
Never stopped us before...

:lol:

I'm not saying this guy doesn't have mental issues. He very well might. But putting a diagnosis, especially a personality disorder, on someone that you've never spoken with is ridiculous. And don't even get me started on the horse **** Shouwrong is spewing...
 
nobody will care then. damage done. and it has to be proven in court that the doctor who prescribed his illness is ethical.. all doctors are ethical....yep!

Dolphins screwed. you know its coming. losing draft picks. losing players, losing any respect that is left which is like licking the bottom of the brownie bowl.
 
In what, a year?

Oh my god. Don't listen to this clown man. No one's medical records will EVER be made public. Ever. The only time someone would disclose private mental health information is if someone's physical safety is concerned. I.E., someone says that they plan to kill their wife, then it would be disclosed to police. Short of that, the only person who can release it would be the person themselves..
 
:bobdole:

I have no words. A professional can't diagnose a personality disorder until seeing someone for several months, and the OP is trying to to do it off of a few short clips of him speaking and secondhand accounts from his teammates? And what the **** is Shaowrong even talking about? The only time the courts are going to order records be opened is if an individual's safety is in imminent danger. And even then, they almost never have to because the person who holds the records would disclose that information well before the courts would have to intervene. What normally happens when they need information is the provider is called to testify during the trial. All kinds of fail going on in this thread.

Look, it's already been released that no team found any psychological issues with him during the pre-draft process. As a first round prospect that probably means at least 20 teams vetted him, and likely more. And while it's impossible to say without sitting down and talking with him, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that would lead me to believe he has a mental illness. This PTSD claim is beyond ridiculous in my opinion, but I guess not impossible if Martin is someone so mentally weak that some teasing and gay jokes is causing him to lose sleep and have random panic attacks. But no one can know unless you have regular meetings with him designed specifically to tease this kind of stuff out. This thread is ridiculous...
Wrong. When someone files a personal injury lawsuit, the burden is on that person to prove the injury, and whatever emotional injury is argued Martin has suffered will be the key component of such a trial. At that point the medical records that support (or fail to support) such an injury would become front and center, as well as public information.
 
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