A Tale Of Two Cities - San Francisco and Miami

[Rick Cartman]

They beat Chicago by 25 and lost a defensive battle to Rams, 12-6, a week before playing us. Also went to the end with Detroit week 17 (40-34) so that doesn't appear to be the case at all about San Fran's finish.

They finished the second half of the season 1-7, or 2-7 if you consider the 9th game the second half.

 

[Phinsfan76]

For as long as I can remember even back in the Mario days. We could never put the whole picture together. And when we do have all the pieces injuries are high.

I will always be a fan too long invested. However all this **** is out of my control so I don't let it fester with me. Am I disappointed or embarrasedby every let down - YES, but I just turn off the TV and go outside enjoy life.

Someday men we will see that trophy and all these tough years will be rewarded until the next season starts.

 

[phinsforlife]

For as long as I can remember even back in the Mario days. We could never put the whole picture together. And when we do have all the pieces injuries are high.

I will always be a fan too long invested. However all this **** is out of my control so I don't let it fester with me. Am I disappointed or embarrasedby every let down - YES, but I just turn off the TV and go outside enjoy life.

Someday men we will see that trophy and all these tough years will be rewarded until the next season starts.

they need to get the GM and org structure decisions right. the failures start at the top. poor decision after poor decision. san fran, much more well run

 

[VAFinsfan72]

San Francisco traded 3 1sts and a 3rd for Trey Lance.

Tell us again how much better run they are.

Even with that blunder they still run circles around us as far as roster construction and team building.

Why have they been to 2 Superbowls and 2 NFC Championship games in the last 6 years while we don't have a single playoff victory and only 2 playoff appearances in that time span?

 

[39wildman]

49ers are well run organizations. the Dolphins used to be but not now. They have been ok last 4yr. Zero playoff win 24 yr.

 

[Highzenga]

Both went all in to try and win a SB. Both run the Shanahan system. Shanahan is there, and a Shanahan guy is here. Both have small-ish QBs. Both had the highly paid WRs and the dominant offenses (for some period of time). That is where the similarities end.

The 49ers made deep playoff runs, including 2 SB appearances in the last 6 years. The Dolphins none, not a single playoff win.

Just prior, going back to 2011, the 49ers were also making deep playoff runs, and went to a SB as well. It didn't work out, they blew it up, went to the bottom, and built the whole thing right back up successfully to the point that in only 6 more years they were right back to the SB. The Dolphins for the last 25 years go nowhere, blow it up, and then go nowhere all over again.

Now it seems to have come undone for both teams again, but history repeats, and both teams seem to be handling things very differently. San Fran looks to be biting the bullet, making the hard choices, and starting over. Miami seems to be extending and pretending, once again.

Here is a list of what San Fran has done this off-season, they are clearly making the hard decision and breaking the whole thing down again rather than trying to extend and pretend mediocrity: https://ninernoise.com/49ers-free-a...-signings-departures-and-updates-01jnrt9n3t8n

They traded the aging and under-performing Deebo Samuel away while he still had some value. Today, they just told Brandon Aiyuk to go pound sand and seek a trade. We did the opposite and handed out big new deals for our guys, including the old one with a bad attitude (Tyreek), and we are still sitting on both of them with $60mm a year tied up in the position while we have massive roster holes elsewhere. The 49ers let a lot of their higher priced older guys walk in FA (like Dre Greenlaw), we give Jalen Ramsey a big new deal.

Most importantly, let's see what they do with Brock Purdy. Forget what you or I think, the broad view in the NFL is that Purdy and Tua are roughly equivalent QBs. Personally, I would take Purdy over Tua hands down. More durable, better scrambler, and more of a gamer. He has held up against better teams, and he has won playoff games and gone to a SB (4-2 career playoff record).

My strong suspicion is the 49ers will not just roll over and give him a 5 year contract at $55mm a year just because he is their starting QB. They will come up with numbers ($ and term) that are substantially lower, and tell him to take it or leave it. If the 49ers don't think they can get a deal done with him at something close to their numbers, they will part ways.

The 49ers are just a much more well run organization. They have discipline, and they make tough decisions, and they are the better talent evaluators as well. The proof is in the pudding. Their approach works, ours does not.

In the end, SF has as many super bowl wins over the past 25 years as we do.

 

[phinsforlife]

In the end, SF has as many super bowl wins over the past 25 years as we do.

your point is?

 

[Highzenga]

your point is?

My point is that there is no difference between SF and Miami. They both failed in the end

 

[phinsforlife]

My point is that there is no difference between SF and Miami. They both failed in the end

i completely disagree. making it to the super bowl is not a fail. making deep playoff runs is not a fail. san fran has been to 3 sbs in the last 12 years. they have won numerous playoff games, in the last 12 years. the dolphins have not won a single playoff game in 24 years. if you think that is equivalent, i do not know what to tell you. if you think making it to the super bowl and losing is a fail, why are you so happy about the dolphins, who have not won a single playoff game in 24 years? none of this makes any sense.

 

[Bostonfin]

San Francisco traded 3 1sts and a 3rd for Trey Lance.

Tell us again how much better run they are.

They are much better run because they have gone to more SB and playoffs than the dolphins.

But about your point, SF did give up those draft assets but they were quick to figure out If they have a bust on their hand and handed the team to another QB. They didn’t wait 6 more years and hundreds of millions to find out they had to move on from those wasted draft picks.

 

[phinsforlife]

They are much better run because they have gone to more SB and playoffs than the dolphins.

But about your point, SF did give up those draft assets but they were quick to figure out If they have a bust on their hand and handed the team to another QB. They didn’t wait 6 more years and hundreds of millions to find out they had to move on from those wasted draft picks.

well said

 

[Jamesw]

Here is the only truth, based on the title of the thread:\

‘It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…”

 

[RichmondWeb]

Awww, you guys look a little rough this morning... Where did you go last night anyway? A Jets Fanbar????

Maybe this will help...

 

[Highzenga]

i completely disagree. making it to the super bowl is not a fail. making deep playoff runs is not a fail. san fran has been to 3 sbs in the last 12 years. they have won numerous playoff games, in the last 12 years. the dolphins have not won a single playoff game in 24 years. if you think that is equivalent, i do not know what to tell you. if you think making it to the super bowl and losing is a fail, why are you so happy about the dolphins, who have not won a single playoff game in 24 years? none of this makes any sense.

I am aware of the history of football. While SF has certainly been a bette organization than Miami in recent years, ultimately if you don’t win the Super Bowl it is a failed season.

There was a time when dolfans wanted coaches fired because they kept going 10-6 or 11-5 and didn’t win the Super Bowl.

SF was all in and made it far. Yet still lost. Do you think 49ers fans consider those seasons a success? I guarantee you they don’t. They view it as a failed regime and Shanahan/Lynch are on the hot seat next year.

 

[phinsforlife]

I am aware of the history of football. While SF has certainly been a bette organization than Miami in recent years, ultimately if you don’t win the Super Bowl it is a failed season.

There was a time when dolfans wanted coaches fired because they kept going 10-6 or 11-5 and didn’t win the Super Bowl.

SF was all in and made it far. Yet still lost. Do you think 49ers fans consider those seasons a success? I guarantee you they don’t. They view it as a failed regime and Shanahan/Lynch are on the hot seat next year.

well you are entitled to your opinion. i think it is pretty tough to call losing a super bowl a failed season. i wouldn't even call making it to the AFC/NFC championship game and losing, a failed season. not sure either how you are able to guarantee what SF fans think as well. if the 49ers are a failure, i wish the dolphins could fail like they have!