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Adam Gase - Coach Of The Year - What?

With the amount of problems Miami has gone through and continue to go through I think Gase has done a good job getting this team this far.
 
*Demi*God* said:
Actually the running game and defense won that game against the Pats....CJ Anderson won it with a 40+ yard td run in OT....had another td in regulation as did Ronnie Hillman...
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Nice quick scan of the box score. I guess you missed the part where Denver trailed 21-17 with 2:31 left in game. Running game is out the window at that point. Brock led the TD drive that took the lead finishing with a passing TD. He accounted for all of the yards by passing and rushing for all 80 yards in that come from behind drive.

But as you stated the running game won it. I'm sure they could have handed off 5 times and marched down the field against the 10-0 Patriots just the same. :lie:
 
ckparrothead said:
I think Gase tends to get too much credit for personnel moves. There were things he asked for this off season and was flatly told no.

Hell, there were coaches he asked for and was flatly told no.

That should be familiar territory for you, as I've seen you explain many times that whereas Nick Saban had a reputation in Miami for being a dictator and having full control over every aspect of the team, reality was there were many times when he was flatly told no, and meddled with by executives.
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That was the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread, it would be interesting to know exactly how much control and decisions he made on all the personnel, before we blame him for all of it. The depth has been horrible on this team as well for a long time.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Not really. I bet sports for 24 years in Las Vegas. Injuries weren't in the top 5 in terms of football handicapping variables that I used or that anyone used, not unless it was a pivotal quarterback or bunched injuries all of a sudden.

These Dolphin injuries are not bunched injuries. Nobody cares. The oddsmakers and bettors certainly don't care. The Miami power rating was shifted a few points due to Tannehill but not due to anything else.

Now, if we're talking college basketball...then yes, injuries can be a huge talking point and line mover. When a college basketball number moves 2-3 points late then it can be a special player who is suddenly ruled out, and especially if that is a mid major type team that doesn't have the depth to overcome him with numbers

Anyway, if people realized how little thought process and emphasis went into something like this Coach of the Year market, nobody would care and this thread wouldn't exist. First of all, I don't see any connection to Las Vegas. It looks like some betting website maybe connected to Bovada, which does specialize in this type of market, for low limits because they realize nobody else carries it and they can pick off any related publicity and a few dollars.

They'll tell some employee to slap something together, and make sure to use heavy juice. That is...make it a rip off no matter who the bettors take. You could probably double every number and still have the best of it as the oddsmaker.

Then the guy who is told to put this together quickly looks at the preseason projections, and any team that is well above the win estimate must have a coach who is doing a great job, so those coaches top the list. Remarkably complicated and sophisticated, as you can see. The guy might not know anything about Adam Gase other than his name, and I can all but guarantee he doesn't know or care about Dolphins injuries, but once he sees that a 5-4 team was projected to win 6.5 games, okay let's put him relatively high on the list. There literally might not be 30 seconds communication between two employees before this market goes on the board.

"Have you finished it?"

"Yeah, here it is."

"Thanks"

Conventional wisdom posters on a forum called CanesInsight can't stand me because they want to believe that process is actually hour after hour and day after day of back room analysis covering every possible angle and with numerical sophistication galore. They refuse to believe any other version. I think I'll go over there and laugh at them again tomorrow. This site is exponentially sharper.

When I lived full time in Las Vegas the markets like Heisman Trophy and Coach of the Year were not available. Not legal by the Nevada Gaming Board. Tourists were shocked by that. You could only wager on results decided on the field of play. That has been softened recently but it is still not a feature of the sportsbooks. Most of them are still run by guys who entered the business under the old rules so that's what they prioritize and remain loyal to. This kind of stuff is mostly offshore and online.

BTW, on return from Boston recently I went through Delaware and stopped at Dover Downs. I wanted to see an actual sportsbook, outside Nevada and courtesy of the recent Supreme Court ruling.

It was virtually identical. In fact, if blindfolded I never would have known I wasn't in Nevada. The board was the same. Betting sheets the same. Size of the room the same. Everything.

I was somewhat surprised at the lack of attendance. We were always told in Las Vegas that if you ever legalized this elsewhere there would be a stampede.

I guess that was adjuster stuff.
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So they don't take injuries into account at all? Thats what I was arguing. I am not saying that its the end all be all to handicapping. Its just a part of the puzzle. Even if its in the top ten of variables you used, you still used it. Even you said they dropped the Dolphins power rating because of Thill.

Also bunch injuries like you said is used a lot. Mainly on the olines of teams/ on the defensive side of the ball. So it is used.
 
Interesting to hear outside views. On the one hand, a 5-4 record with all the injuries is somewhat impressive. But, in some ways Gase seems to be losing it this year as well. How the injury to Tannehill was reported and reinstating Jones after he quit on the team without any disciplinary move are both head scratchers.

I also don't always like the playcalling, or getting away from the run so early. All that said, it's possible that he could be a good coach. He hasn't had a steady offensive line or quarterback situation since he has coached here. I think next year is really the make or break for Gase.
 
Every year has been make or break for these people. Tannehill, Gase, Tannenbaum, etc. This site is a little strange. After a loss, it's burn the house down, after a win, eh let's give them another year.

IMO Gase has had his chance, as well as Tannehill. Did they get a bad shot? Sure. Injuries screwed both of them, but that's life. I'm not down to just kick the can down the road till next year when it happens again. Its starting to feel like the twilight zone.

Put me in the shakeup camp, the same ol we have been dealing with for almost 20 years now is tiring.
 
Fins1971 said:
Nice quick scan of the box score. I guess you missed the part where Denver trailed 21-17 with 2:31 left in game. Running game is out the window at that point. Brock led the TD drive that took the lead finishing with a passing TD. He accounted for all of the yards by passing and rushing for all 80 yards in that come from behind drive.

But as you stated the running game won it. I'm sure they could have handed off 5 times and marched down the field against the 10-0 Patriots just the same. :lie:
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32 rushes for 179 yards and 3 is what the Denver running game did...Brock did a great job managing that game...But let's also look at the talent level on that Broncos team compared to this Dolphins team...They had Emmanuel Snaders, Demaryis Thomas and Owen Daniel's catching passes...CJ Anderson and Ronnie Hillman had 1500 hundred yards combined a 2nd both averaged over 4 yards per carry...with 12 touchdowns...that team was stacked with talent from top to bottom
 
finmann said:
With the amount of problems Miami has gone through and continue to go through I think Gase has done a good job getting this team this far.
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And fans forget that 1/2 the teams in the league (13) have 3 wins or less.
 
ckparrothead said:
Coaches are funny. It's sort of like how success has many fathers but failure is an orphan? When Vance Joseph left, Adam Gase wanted to go out and get a highly qualified defensive coordinator. He was told no, and instead they sold him on promoting Burke. If Burke had been successful I'm sure Gase would've been all about that decision, you know, once I really stopped to consider Matt Burke I realized he's the best man for the job and sure enough he was, blah blah blah. But with Burke not having success, naturally you're going to go back to your first instinct and say, well, this is why I wanted to go out and get so-and-so (not hard to guess).
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Wait.. this is news to me and really relevant. Are you saying that Gase wasn’t allowed to hire the DC if his choice? Is this reported fact? If so, it’s huge news IMO.
 
Lovethefish said:
Wait.. this is news to me and really relevant. Are you saying that Gase wasn’t allowed to hire the DC if his choice? Is this reported fact? If so, it’s huge news IMO.
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Why in the hell would anybody force him to promote Burke? Ross is penny pinching now? In fact I remember Gase saying he knew Joseph would eventually get promoted and Burke would be the seamless choice to replace him.
 
We have not really beaten any quality teams this year. We beat the lowly Raiders, the lowly Jets twice, and a .500 Titans team in Miami. The only team we beat who has a winning record is Chicago and we only won that game because their kicker missed a FG.
 
we are in the twilight zone where the NE and Cincy games have been erased from our collective memories.
 
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