AJ is indeed improving

[cnc66]

I think we may all be overreacting to the dribles of info coming from Saban. With that in mind, I think at this point that Sage has a good shot of starting. What does that make AJ? #3?

I really like Sage, but that being said, if he turns out to be our best QB we are probably in bad trouble.

hey tursiops; nice avatar !

 

[rafael]

I think Saban summed it all up by not drafting a QB.

BS, I have very little faith in AJ and I wouldn't have drafted a QB either. The draft just didn't work out where any QB was worth the gamble where we were picking.

 

[rafael]

No hes not comparing Feeley to Steve Young...but have you ever had a chance to look at Steve Youngs numbers his first two years???

1985 Bucs 5/5 72 138 52.2 935 3 8 56.9
1986 Bucs 14/14 195 363 53.7 2282 8 13 65.5

Started 14 games in 1986 had 8 TD's and 13 INT's with a 65.5 rating.

I wonder..if there was the Internet and a fan forum at that time...how many of you would look at those numbers...and dare to say Steve Young might go down as one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game.

You might have glimpsed Young's games individually and saw their was some potential there. You might have noticed the lack of playmakers around him in Tampa. You might have said...hmm...lets give him a chance.

Well I remember there was a backlash from many TB fans when Young was traded. The fan sentiment was that QB was not the problem and that Young had a great deal of talent. That was also the sentiment league wide. Young was traded for a 2nd and a 4th. That was after two horrible AJ like statistical seasons. Do you think we could get even a 4th for AJ right now? My point is that the Young/Feeley comparison is way off base. Even with bad stats most people saw that Young was a rare talent. Nobody would put AJ in that category.

 

[ckparrothead]

Feeley showed glimpses of ability, not of greatness. Every QB throws a near perfect pass every now and then. Even Jay Fiedler threw 3 or 4 "great" passes over the course of his career (most of them came in the Dallas Thanksgiving game). From what I saw of Feeley last year I really think that given time he will develop into a very good QB for us. However, I sincerely doubt he will ever be listed among the "great" ones.

Yankeehillbilly you nailed it for me.

I guess the major problem I have is that "glimpses" and "greatness" are contradictions in themselves. Greatness is not measured by a fluke throw made every now and then. Greatness is measured by consistency over time. And I don't really consider that to be just an opinion, I consider that to be widely held as a generally accepted fact. To me, saying that AJ Feeley has shown "glimpses of greatness" is like saying Deshaun Foster has shown "glimpses of durability"

I mean, I'm sure Carolina fans hope Deshaun will stay healthy for a good period of time, just like we hope that AJ Feeley will show these bouts of consistency that he failed to show here in Miami last year.

 

[jlfin]

You comparing Feeley to Young now?

Not as big a stretch as you would think. When Young played for the Bucs he stunk. Tampa fans were not sad to see him go.
Amazing what a well coached and well run organization can do for a player.
I've made this comparison on previous posts. How would Archie Manning's career have panned out if he had been drafted by the Dolphins or Steelers in the early 70's. Conversely, would Bob Griese or Terry Bradshaw be in the HOF had they been drafted by the Aints (arguably the worst professional football team in history- back in the 70's)

 

[jlfin]

Well I remember there was a backlash from many TB fans when Young was traded. The fan sentiment was that QB was not the problem and that Young had a great deal of talent. That was also the sentiment league wide. Young was traded for a 2nd and a 4th. That was after two horrible AJ like statistical seasons. Do you think we could get even a 4th for AJ right now? My point is that the Young/Feeley comparison is way off base. Even with bad stats most people saw that Young was a rare talent. Nobody would put AJ in that category.

I was living in Tampa at the time and its funny, but my recollection is different. There were many who thought he was a bust. They thought his LA Express success was a fluke

 

[ckparrothead]

Not as big a stretch as you would think. When Young played for the Bucs he stunk. Tampa fans were not sad to see him go.

OK, then basically the prerequisite for any quarterback to be compared to Steve Young, is that they had a bad season or two.

 

[FinsDontGiveIn]

I would prefer Gus to start, that said, I think AJ is a younger, better overall talent. If AJ were to start he would probably be on a short leash, which would add extra pressure. Gus has never been a "great QB" and will surely have his share of struggles and will get pulled at some point,which meens AJ would come off the bench. I would rather see AJ come off the bench with a chip on his shoulder then see this scenario in reverse.

 

[jlfin]

OK, then basically the prerequisite for any quarterback to be compared to Steve Young, is that they had a bad season or two.

Yep. If I recall, AJ has only been a starter for ONE season. Also I think you miss the point of the comparison. Let me splain it to you. It means that calling a QB a loser or saying he sucks and has no future after ONE sub-par year is premature, and when a team cuts ties with a player after writing him off prematurely, sometimes it can come back to haunt you.
You don't think San Diego would have been kicking themselves if Brees had been traded (at a bargain price) or cut and then had the kind of year he had for another team.
Oops, I think I just compared AJ to Drew Brees

 

[gofins]

:mad:

I guess YOU'RE A.J.'s biggest fan?:wink:

 

[gofins]

I want to see him succeed and I think he will.

 

[WitheringPlant]

Comparing AJ and Steve Young is fair. Anyone who watched Young w/ the Bucs knows he looked like dog **** the first year in the NFL. Not much better the second year. What an amazing change once Young was surrounded by talent and coaching......Sounds like AJ has a reasonable chance to me....cause we now have the coaching and the talent on the O-line should suffice to give more time...

Now, if only AJ can be 1/4 the QB Young became....THAT would be amazing to say the least.

Warner came from NFL Europe and lead the Rams to a superbowl. Maybe we should go get one of them to trust our future on.

 

[ckparrothead]

Yep. If I recall, AJ has only been a starter for ONE season. Also I think you miss the point of the comparison. Let me splain it to you. It means that calling a QB a loser or saying he sucks and has no future after ONE sub-par year is premature, and when a team cuts ties with a player after writing him off prematurely, sometimes it can come back to haunt you.
You don't think San Diego would have been kicking themselves if Brees had been traded (at a bargain price) or cut and then had the kind of year he had for another team.
Oops, I think I just compared AJ to Drew Brees

No, I think you missed the point. What I'm trying to say is that by your standards not only does every bad quarterback in the history of the game compare to Steve Young, but AJ Feeley also compares to every bad QB in the history of football easily as much as he does Steve Young.

 

[rafael]

I was living in Tampa at the time and its funny, but my recollection is different. There were many who thought he was a bust. They thought his LA Express success was a fluke

My friends were living in Orlando so maybe that's part of the difference. But I also remember comments in the National Media calling the trade a coup for SF.

 

[jlfin]

My friends were living in Orlando so maybe that's part of the difference. But I also remember comments in the National Media calling the trade a coup for SF.

I think the opinions were mixed. Some of the local sportswriters had written some pretty critical remarks about him and they mocked his USFL stats and performances.