truedolfan57
Active Roster
wrong or not, hartline was at the sticks, tannehill threw a pass that hit hartline in his hands. So i'd say tannehill did his job. Hartline didn't.
An Excellent Article that Gives Insight Into Tanneyhills Troubles and D's Problems
- Thread starter miamirw
- Start date
wrong or not, hartline was at the sticks, tannehill threw a pass that hit hartline in his hands. So i'd say tannehill did his job. Hartline didn't.
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
OK. We have to agree to disagree.
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2011
- Messages
- 30,319
- Reaction score
- 16,143
I'm trying to avoid this argument because I don't know everything that was going on in the play and how the coach wanted the QB to do it. But good LORD, man.
He ran a slant. He was five yards downfield. His head was turned around. He got his arms up in time and got the ball in his hands with his arms extended. How the heck he not ready?
[video=youtube;KnsiZOJjfUg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnsiZOJjfUg[/video]
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
Like I said. It looks like he is running a slant and then goes vertical. Which in combination with Miller's route would be correct and making him the secondary receiver. We can argue to no end if a receiver should or should not be ready halfway through his route. If he runs a simple slant - yes you are correct. He should be ready. But if his route is a double move? Remember I make the case that Hartline is making a double move while everybody else assumes that Hartline runs a slant only and he was the primary receiver. I am arguing against that. That is the difference.
I have three or four people here assuming that Tannehill made the right play and targeted Hartline first. We are basically disregarding Miller's route. If Hartline would have been the primary target shouldn't Miller's job be to block rather than running by the rusher and let him have a free shot at Tannehill? And if we would assume that Miller made a mistake how do we account for Hartline's attempt to go vertical from his slant route? It is a very typical double move he is attempting.
If the call was a slant route for Hartline you are correct he should be ready. If a receiver runs a double move though he will not be ready until he goes vertical.
If you are a receiver running a double move and though you are not prepared to receive the ball (since you have not completed your route) your arms go up automatically (ready or not) because the ball is there. Should he still have caught it? Maybe. I am probably more forgiving in this case because I see a different play.
I see Tannehill locking onto Hartline and executing the wrong play because I find it hard to believe that two receivers could run the wrong play at the same time simultaneously complementing each other.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
Satele calls out a blitzer on the left, Tannehill does an "easy easy easy" call at the line, Miller puts his hands up and looks at him likes "what?" but the play clock was down to 2 so it was all getting rushed. Miller was definitely confused. And the throw had bad placement, from a different angle you can see its clearly behind Hartline.
Just terrible execution all around.
Just terrible execution all around.
This is the right response to the point.
truedolfan57
Active Roster
I have no idea how you can even THINK hartline is doing a double move. And if Miller was truly the hot route, tannehill would have looked his way first. It makes no sense to have miller the hot route, but not look his way, but instead, look at hartline, not Wallace, not Gibson, but hartline. One thing that you can't knock tannehill on, is his progression reads. He goes through progressions nicely. His first and only read, on a full on blitz was hartline, 5 yards down the field, for the first down.
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
You do not see Hartline turning upfield at all? I do.
Have you ever considered that maybe Tannehill executed the wrong play?
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2011
- Messages
- 30,319
- Reaction score
- 16,143
Actually I think it's been pointed out that I'm probably wrong and dumb for having said that, but thank you. :)
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
I still got the game on DVR. Do you know when that play happened (approx)?
---------- Post added at 11:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:37 PM ----------
I think you got it right with Miller.
You and I just disagree on Hartline's route (slant vs slant and double move).
:brewskis:
truedolfan57
Active Roster
No, I do not. I see him drop the ball, and maybe wanting to go upfield.
There's no way to know 100% what the play was, but by looking at the qb, right after the hike, he sets his feet and throws to hartline, without a hesitation. Why would he throw the ball to a WR that's supposed to do a double move after running a slant 5yds down the field? I think it's more likely Miller didn't have a clue what he was doing.
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2011
- Messages
- 30,319
- Reaction score
- 16,143
He's definitely running a slant there. The QB throws a slant, the receiver runs a slant, is looking for a slant, and gets his hands out at the right time and place to catch a slant at the sticks. How is that not a slant?
Any time you are watching a play and you don't know the play call or what the coach wants, you're making assumptions, but I think that's a pretty dang safe one.
Any time you are watching a play and you don't know the play call or what the coach wants, you're making assumptions, but I think that's a pretty dang safe one.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
about 2:17 to go first quarter. Watch Miller put his hands up after the easy easy easy call, clearly confused.
roy_miami
2020 cant get here soon enough
The sucky thing is I think the original play was supposed to go to Miller but he changed it when a late blitzer came into the picture on the left.
DKphin
Active Roster
This guy apparently watched a different game than the one I watched. Jelanie Jenkins was one of the few bright spots in the game for the team. And he is an idiot if he thinks the Defense will be better with Ellerbee. He apparently did mot notice the pocket awareness problems that Tannehill has or the fact that Ryan has made no improvements in 3 yrs. on his deep ball, awareness, and his progressions.
Last edited by a moderator: