An Uncapped Offseason Scenario of Improvement
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Ya,because trade scenarios are so inflammatory I tried to be very conservative in the compensation received by the dolphins.
Needless to say, It didn't work.
One man's ace is another mans deuce.
Actually Donald Thomas was a 6th rounder and he played like a 7th rounder last year.
But you seem quite ambitious; when are we going to see an off season mock
from you??????????????
A real one with FA acquisitions,cuts, and trades; because they always happen.
I challenge you to show us your expertise. Until you do I have little or any regard for your posts, and your personal attacks regarding my sanity are a joke in themselves.
I doubt you have the __ to try.
putter1013
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If you check my post history you will find that I go to a lot of work every year making a list of potential Free Agent Signings and go in depth into why they may or may not fit into our system. Why I would or would not like to see them here and so on and so forth. So until you do YOUR research please do not try and lecture me!! In case you haven't noticed I am not the only one blasting your A$$ for this crap post. Everyone has the right to post their opinions but one had better be willing to accept the feedback they receive! Sorry but that is reality. Stay tuned and once the off season has officially begun I will take the time to make you a Quality Post! In case you haven't noticed the offseason signings can't begin officially until the Season is over!
Here is some research of my posts done 4 u! Pay attention to the Ratings of the threads and the number of Thanks they received in comparison to this post.
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osition by Position Breakdown of Last Years Free Agents:http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243950
:earlyriser:My observation that Jake Grove was a possible signing b4 it happened!
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243784
:hump:2009 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242320
:crazy:2008 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213493
:serenades:2007 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186211
My post saying that I hoped Vontae Davis fell to #25 and that we took him and that IMO he was the best CB in the draft. Also mention of Sean Smith as being a likely pick for us even @ #25 if they others were gone.http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244842
Thanks!:thanks:
4286:Can't we all just be friends???:buds:
putter1013
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I admit I made a mistake in haste on Thomas. I was in a hurry. But 7th rounders don't typically get on the field unless they play like say a 3rd or 4th rounder. So if Thomas was starting I am going to have to disagree and say he didn't play like a 7th rounder. Sorry!
If you check my post history you will find that I go to a lot of work every year making a list of potential Free Agent Signings and go in depth into why they may or may not fit into our system. Why I would or would not like to see them here and so on and so forth. So until you do YOUR research please do not try and lecture me!! In case you haven't noticed I am not the only one blasting your A$$ for this crap post. Everyone has the right to post their opinions but one had better be willing to accept the feedback they receive! Sorry but that is reality. Stay tuned and once the off season has officially begun I will take the time to make you a Quality Post! In case you haven't noticed the offseason signings can't begin officially until the Season is over!
Here is some research of my posts done 4 u! Pay attention to the Ratings of the threads and the number of Thanks they received in comparison to this post.
:up
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243950
:earlyriser:My observation that Jake Grove was a possible signing b4 it happened!
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243784
:hump:2009 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242320
:crazy:2008 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213493
:serenades:2007 Possible Free Agent Targets with explanations
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186211
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244842
Thanks!:thanks:
Can't we all just be friends???:buds:
Sorry freind, but you don't get off that easy.
I mean put the whole thing whole thing together and gel. From which of our own FA's we bring back to making the roster fit the 53 man requirement.
And if you check Dolphin history(I posted the link in an earlier post) you must include,cuts, FA signings,player trades and draft day trades, because these things almost always takeplace, and some years the activity is mind blowing.(2004,2008 and 1999)
It isn't nearly as easy as it looks.
C'mon, do us proud. Give us some hope. Show us a reasonable way the Dolphins can actually improve in an uncapped year where free agency is extremely limited.
jude 2
David Carr starting over Chad Henne!? :facepalm:
I like the idea of trading expendable players, but Thomas has to stay. Why in the world would we trade a diamond in the rough like him for a 3rd round pick?
Merling also needs a few more years.
I agree that Camarillo, Cobbs, Turner, and Thigpen are all expendable.
I like resigning JT, and JF, and adding Hawk, but the other aquisitons are questionable.
I like all of the cuts except Porter, the man is walking and talking team morale and momentum in big games. He plays with tenacity, we keep him I think.
I like the idea of trading expendable players, but Thomas has to stay. Why in the world would we trade a diamond in the rough like him for a 3rd round pick?
Merling also needs a few more years.
I agree that Camarillo, Cobbs, Turner, and Thigpen are all expendable.
I like resigning JT, and JF, and adding Hawk, but the other aquisitons are questionable.
I like all of the cuts except Porter, the man is walking and talking team morale and momentum in big games. He plays with tenacity, we keep him I think.
milldog
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Gotta say..wow! Some of your ideas...wow!!...but, I give you props for putting it out there. Obviously a lot of what your proposing has no way of happening but I don't get all the hate. At least you took the time to post..........1 I actually enjoyed thisentire thread! And I too would love to cut Crowder but unless we get McClain, our options are limited unless our FO finds some dust in the rough! Cheers!
putter1013
Active Roster
Ok, here you go albeit very quickly put together.
Free Agent Signings:
C-Nick Cole (PHI) 6’0 350lbs. Can play Center or Guard. Trifecta loves versatility on the OL. He will either take over for Grove at Center or Garner/Thomas at RG.
DE-Marcus Spears (DAL) 6’4 309lbs. Specialty is stopping the Run. He will rotate in on running downs with Langford and Starks. Merling and McDaniel will be in passing down rotation. A Parcells draft pick and a Parcells type player.
WR-Dominik Hixon (NYG)– 6’2 195lbs. – A good special teams guy with adequate receiving skills. We were rumored to be looking at trading from him prior to the 2009 season so just maybe they see something in him. Possible KR/PR.
CB-Ellis Hobbs (PHI) 5’9 195 – A nickel or dime guy for us and a key special teamer. Coming off of injury may take a 1 year prove it kind of deal. Possible KR.
ILB-Rocky McIntosh 6’2 238lbs. – Will compete with Crowder and be insurance in case Crowder doesn’t fully recover. We comes back to his college stomping ground. Good instincts and tackling ability.
CBA would have to get done though as most all of these guys are 26 or under and only have 4-5 years service.
Draft:
Round 1 – We trade with SF and move down to #13 figuring they don’t take McClain with Willis already on the roster. We receive their 3rd round pick. We then select Rolando McClain (Bama). Enough said on that pick.
Round 2 – NT-Terrence Cody (Bama) 6’5 365lbs. After concerns about work ethic and weight slide him down draft boards we get a steal early in the 2nd. He will be our NT for years to come.
Round 3 – CB – Myron Lewis (Vandy) 6’2 205 Has the size the Trifecta likes and is a pretty good cover corner with adequate tackling skills. Can play both Man and Zone coverage above average. Can be groomed behind Will Allen and Hobbs. If we don’t sign Hobbs then he will compete with Jason Allen for Dime duty.
Round 3 (from SF) – RB-LaGarrett Blount (Oregon) 6’1 249lbs. Questions about his character drop him down and we take him to pound the ball. Insurance in case Ronnie isn’t fully healthy or doesn’t resign.
Round 4 – TE-Dennis Pitta (BYU) 6’5 250lbs. – He may not be around this long but I am going to go with it anyway. He seems like a Parcells type of guy. Good Hands and Size. Adequate blocking skills.
Round 6 – C-Reggie Stepehens (ISU) 6’3 333lbs. – Good size and is a mauler. A Parcells kind of lineman with lots of size. Could be a center or slide over to guard.
Round 6 – S-Justin Woodall (Bama) 6’2 220lbs. – A good hitter with decent ball and coverage skills. Yes a third Bama kid. Thanks Satan guess it wasn’t so bad you left after all! LOL!
Round 7 – OT-Jared Veldheer (Hillsdale) 6’9 321lbs. – A project to say the least but has great size and Parcells always seems to like the small school guys as a diamond in the rough. Maybe he becomes a good player or maybe just a camp body. Who knows?
Round 7 – Traded to KC for a 6th Round pick in the 2011 draft. Thanks Pioli!
Depth Chart
Offense:
QB-Henne, Thigpen, White
RB-R.Brown(resigned-3 yr.), R.Williams, P.Cobbs, Hilliard/Blount
WR-Ginn, Bess, Hartline, Camarillo, Hixon, Turner
TE-Fasano(resigned-3yr.), Pitta, Haynos
LT-Long, Garner/Veldheer
LG-Smiley, Garner/Thomas, Berger
C-Grove, Berger/Cole,Stepehens
RG-Cole, Garner/Thomas, Berger
RT-Carey, Garner/Veldheer
Defense:
LE-Langford, Merling, McDaniel
DT-Cody, Ferguson(resigned-1 yr.), Solia
RE-Starks, Spears, McDaniel
ROLB-Taylor(resigned-1yr.), Anderson
ILB-McClain, McIntosh, Crowder, Ayodele, Torbor
LOLB-Porter, Wake, Moses
LCB-Davis, Hobbs, Lewis
FS-Wilson, Clemons, Culver
SS-Bell, Woodall, Culver
RCB-Smith, W.Allen, J.Allen
Special Teams:
K-Carpenter
P-Fields
LS-Denney
I know I have more than 53 players but remember guys like Veldheer, Stepehens, Pitta and etc. could become practice squad eligible. Also some players could be cut after training camp.
Free Agent Signings:
C-Nick Cole (PHI) 6’0 350lbs. Can play Center or Guard. Trifecta loves versatility on the OL. He will either take over for Grove at Center or Garner/Thomas at RG.
DE-Marcus Spears (DAL) 6’4 309lbs. Specialty is stopping the Run. He will rotate in on running downs with Langford and Starks. Merling and McDaniel will be in passing down rotation. A Parcells draft pick and a Parcells type player.
WR-Dominik Hixon (NYG)– 6’2 195lbs. – A good special teams guy with adequate receiving skills. We were rumored to be looking at trading from him prior to the 2009 season so just maybe they see something in him. Possible KR/PR.
CB-Ellis Hobbs (PHI) 5’9 195 – A nickel or dime guy for us and a key special teamer. Coming off of injury may take a 1 year prove it kind of deal. Possible KR.
ILB-Rocky McIntosh 6’2 238lbs. – Will compete with Crowder and be insurance in case Crowder doesn’t fully recover. We comes back to his college stomping ground. Good instincts and tackling ability.
CBA would have to get done though as most all of these guys are 26 or under and only have 4-5 years service.
Draft:
Round 1 – We trade with SF and move down to #13 figuring they don’t take McClain with Willis already on the roster. We receive their 3rd round pick. We then select Rolando McClain (Bama). Enough said on that pick.
Round 2 – NT-Terrence Cody (Bama) 6’5 365lbs. After concerns about work ethic and weight slide him down draft boards we get a steal early in the 2nd. He will be our NT for years to come.
Round 3 – CB – Myron Lewis (Vandy) 6’2 205 Has the size the Trifecta likes and is a pretty good cover corner with adequate tackling skills. Can play both Man and Zone coverage above average. Can be groomed behind Will Allen and Hobbs. If we don’t sign Hobbs then he will compete with Jason Allen for Dime duty.
Round 3 (from SF) – RB-LaGarrett Blount (Oregon) 6’1 249lbs. Questions about his character drop him down and we take him to pound the ball. Insurance in case Ronnie isn’t fully healthy or doesn’t resign.
Round 4 – TE-Dennis Pitta (BYU) 6’5 250lbs. – He may not be around this long but I am going to go with it anyway. He seems like a Parcells type of guy. Good Hands and Size. Adequate blocking skills.
Round 6 – C-Reggie Stepehens (ISU) 6’3 333lbs. – Good size and is a mauler. A Parcells kind of lineman with lots of size. Could be a center or slide over to guard.
Round 6 – S-Justin Woodall (Bama) 6’2 220lbs. – A good hitter with decent ball and coverage skills. Yes a third Bama kid. Thanks Satan guess it wasn’t so bad you left after all! LOL!
Round 7 – OT-Jared Veldheer (Hillsdale) 6’9 321lbs. – A project to say the least but has great size and Parcells always seems to like the small school guys as a diamond in the rough. Maybe he becomes a good player or maybe just a camp body. Who knows?
Round 7 – Traded to KC for a 6th Round pick in the 2011 draft. Thanks Pioli!
Depth Chart
Offense:
QB-Henne, Thigpen, White
RB-R.Brown(resigned-3 yr.), R.Williams, P.Cobbs, Hilliard/Blount
WR-Ginn, Bess, Hartline, Camarillo, Hixon, Turner
TE-Fasano(resigned-3yr.), Pitta, Haynos
LT-Long, Garner/Veldheer
LG-Smiley, Garner/Thomas, Berger
C-Grove, Berger/Cole,Stepehens
RG-Cole, Garner/Thomas, Berger
RT-Carey, Garner/Veldheer
Defense:
LE-Langford, Merling, McDaniel
DT-Cody, Ferguson(resigned-1 yr.), Solia
RE-Starks, Spears, McDaniel
ROLB-Taylor(resigned-1yr.), Anderson
ILB-McClain, McIntosh, Crowder, Ayodele, Torbor
LOLB-Porter, Wake, Moses
LCB-Davis, Hobbs, Lewis
FS-Wilson, Clemons, Culver
SS-Bell, Woodall, Culver
RCB-Smith, W.Allen, J.Allen
Special Teams:
K-Carpenter
P-Fields
LS-Denney
I know I have more than 53 players but remember guys like Veldheer, Stepehens, Pitta and etc. could become practice squad eligible. Also some players could be cut after training camp.
61 guys on your roster if I counted right
You totally copped out on making cuts
You totally chickened out and made no player trades
How could you post this after accusing me of not being able to take the heat??????????
I made a 53 man roster and a reasonable number of cuts and player trades according to Dolphins history.
I answered my detractors with facts and links to substantiate what I said.
I didn't insult people or use harsh language back to people who attacked me personally rather than deal with the actual content of the thread.
I told the one guy flat out he was wrong, but he was, and I gave him two websites to prove it, but he would not admit it. But I did not use harsh language or circumvent the filter, or attack anyone personally.
I am really disappointed. You should not have hurried. Running way over the 53 man limit ruins everything. Thats where all the decision making is.
All that aside; Gotta love that Jared Veldheer. I had us taking him up until a couple of weeks ago. He has a combine invite and everyone knows he is going to destroy the competion. Draftscout has him 3rd round now, and I heard a rumor that a few scouts have him the 3rd best OT prospect. The guy is an incredible freak of nature.
I think Dennis Pitta is going to shoot up draft boards everywhere after this last week. I would rather take a risk with Graham myself but Pitta looked good all week and had a great Shrine game. I wouldn't mind seeing Pitta become a Dolphin but I think he is around 25 years old. Mormon mission
You have the right idea on some things that need fixing, but I think you are probably making too many moves to get there. Not sure why you are getting blasted so much on the the FA's - it's not like you have us signing all the top 6 FA. I could argue that you signing list is conservative. Position wise, it's seems ok: upgrade TE, maybe WR, and ILB. Can't argue with that.
Also, you are going to get roasted by not assuming that Henne is the QB of the future. I'm not convinced yet, but Henne's numbers are close to Carr's career rating, so I don't see the need to do anything at the QB position. See if Henne improves next year, with Thigpen as backup.
Cut list is probably close - we desperately need upgrades at ILB, and Porter is probably gone too. I suspect we'd keep one of our ILB for depth.
Not sure we need Johnson, Hawk, and then draft McCLain. Making one trade to upgrade ILB and then drafting McLain would be good.
The last 2 trades don't really seem useful. Cobbs, Camarillo, and Turner are probably worth more on our roster than a couple 6ths that we might get - I doubt a huge upgrade.
I do think some here are over-valuing Merling's worth on the open market. I don't see how we get a 2nd rounder for him alone. Even a 3rd would be tough, IMO. A backup 3-4 DE is not going to bring in that much. As an example, look what we got for Roth (and he's a OLB). Merling's worth more on our roster in the DE rotation. Maybe you could trade him for a player (say, to upgrade ILB or get FS); if we did do that, we would likely draft another DE, IMO.
putter1013
Active Roster
As I stated some will be eligible for Practice Squad.
Blount, Veldheer, Stepehens, Woodall all go to practice squad.
That would leave us at 55. So then Cut Torbor and don't resign Moses.
There are you satisfied?
As for the trades, teams do not always make trades. If you want a possible trade, then maybe Crowder gets traded if we sign McIntosh. Say to a 4-3 team like the Colts for a 2nd-3rd Round pick. Otherwise maybe we deal him to the Chiefs for Dwayne Bowe! How does that scenario sound to you.
I can speculate all day but when it comes down to it that is all that it is so take a chill pill.
Signing guys like Mushin Muhammed is not the answer. Sorry. And Trading away all of our depth isn't the answer either. Teams need depth because lets face it injuries happen. Also they are some of the key special teams contributors. If we bring in a receiver that is not a #1 then I will guarantee you this "He will play on special teams" ala Hixon or a guy like him.
I could see us sending Solia off as you suggest because I think he is lazy and I don't think they Trifecta is pleased with his effort but his potential and size we may need or we will have to get something valuable in return but we are not getting Derrick Johnson. Also Derrick Johnson is a Free Agent so the Chiefs can't trade him!
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/lb.html
Bonedoc7777
Perennial All-Pro
i hope the cap never comes back, hate losing good players
putter1013
Active Roster
You may say that now but look at it from this perspective.
Teams like the Jets, Patriots, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants to name a few... The BIG MARKET teams will become more dominant because they will outspend everyone. They are the teams with all the money and their owners are very very wealthy. No owner isn't I know, but I am talking they will spare no expense. Guys like Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder. These owners will be like the George Steinbrenners of the NFL and we will still lose good players. I am a Marlins fan, you could compare what happens to them. Their attendance isn't as good so their Payroll is lower. Now I may live in Iowa, but I have watched every game since Direct TV began Sunday NFL Ticket. This includes the Thanksgiving Day Game against the Lions back in 2006 while in the Delivery Room of a Hospital as my first son was being delivered. What a day by the way! Anyway, our seats are empty quite a bit as I can tell. Especially compared to the above mentioned teams. How many celebrity owners would we have to bring in to compete with these other teams?
Maybe I am wrong but I don't know that it will give us any advantage. If anything, IMO, it puts us at a disadvantage.