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Barry Jackson Notes: Draft Talk, Ireland Mention, Carl Peterson

Another reason to target Alex Mack: we simply don't know how available Mike Pouncey is going to be going forward. Dolphins fans don't like to think about it but it has to be considered a question mark. The thought is that Massachusetts law enforcement (and federal law enforcement) are just leaning on him to get him to testify against Hernandez (Pouncey has been accused of buying guns and sending them north to Hernandez, who as a convicted felon was not able to buy them. This is a violation of state and federal law). Anyway, Pouncey isn't considered a target of the investigation per se. It's thought that as long as he rolls over, he'll be fine.

But what if he doesn't? In my view any comprehensive offseason plan is going to have to include a contingency where Mike Pouncey is arrested and prosecuted and no longer allowed to play football. What better way to prepare for that possibility than to target the best interior lineman on the market, a guy who's probably a better center than either of the Pounceys? And in the event that nothing happens and Pouncey is available, we still get to line up with two of the finest and most athletic interior linemen on the market.
 
I think a lot of our holes on the offensive line can be fixed in free agency. All of these guys are scheduled to be free agents and all would be scheme fits:

--Anthony Collins (fill in LT for currently with Bengals. Would be a starter on most teams)
--Mike Pollak (athletic swing guard currently with Bengals)
--Zane Beadles (LG of Broncos. Quality starter)
--Alex Mack (star C of the Browns. Can move to G or move Pouncey to G. Would cost big $$, assuming he doesn't get the franchise tag. But worth it)
--Evan Dietrich-Smith (capable ZBS G currently with Packers)
--Rodger Saffold (with the Rams. Can play LT or RT. Likely to be a pretty big $$ FA. Not at the Jake Long level, but at, say, the Wil Beatty/Jermon Bushrod level)
--Ryan Harris (swing LT/RT. Mediocre, but capable)
--Mike Otto (backup type LT/RT)
--Joe Berger (remember him? He's a better fit for a ZBS than he was in our old power scheme. A decent backup)[/QUOTE]

That's part of the problem we had with Ireland thinking everything can be fixed via free agency. Especially when it came to O line. No I want the coaches to draft guys that will fit their schemes !
 
Been saying from the gate. Our coaching staff was a bigger issue then Ireland was. Ireland put together a team that should have been in the playoffs. Coaching staff just sucked at making decisions.
 
marinotoclayton said:
That's part of the problem we had with Ireland thinking everything can be fixed via free agency. Especially when it came to O line. No I want the coaches to draft guys that will fit their schemes !
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Ireland's problem was in drafting poorly and then having to fix things in free agency, which he also did poorly.

Anyway, I'm all about fixing things with the draft. The best teams invariably draft their best players. But the fact is we need a minimum of four new starters on the offensive line. You really think you're going to able to find that many starters in one draft? I don't. We might find one starter, maybe two. But that still leaves a minimum of two starters we're going to have to find elsewhere. It's a bummer, but it's also a fact of life for the next GM.

Anyway, it's not like we can't afford it. The Dolphins have one of the lowest offensive payrolls in the NFL. I forget the exact number but we're in the 20s somewhere.

In any case I wasn't advocating signing all of those guys. They were just guys who should be available, fit our system, and performed well according to PFF.
 
marinotoclayton said:
I think a lot of our holes on the offensive line can be fixed in free agency. All of these guys are scheduled to be free agents and all would be scheme fits:

--Anthony Collins (fill in LT for currently with Bengals. Would be a starter on most teams)
--Mike Pollak (athletic swing guard currently with Bengals)
--Zane Beadles (LG of Broncos. Quality starter)
--Alex Mack (star C of the Browns. Can move to G or move Pouncey to G. Would cost big $$, assuming he doesn't get the franchise tag. But worth it)
--Evan Dietrich-Smith (capable ZBS G currently with Packers)
--Rodger Saffold (with the Rams. Can play LT or RT. Likely to be a pretty big $$ FA. Not at the Jake Long level, but at, say, the Wil Beatty/Jermon Bushrod level)
--Ryan Harris (swing LT/RT. Mediocre, but capable)
--Mike Otto (backup type LT/RT)
--Joe Berger (remember him? He's a better fit for a ZBS than he was in our old power scheme. A decent backup)
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That's part of the problem we had with Ireland thinking everything can be fixed via free agency. Especially when it came to O line. No I want the coaches to draft guys that will fit their schemes ![/QUOTE]

The issue Ireland had is he's one of those guys that just looks at a guys height and weight and doesn't really take other things into account.
 
Im surprised that some are surprised about the disconnect between GM and HC. I smelled something fishy the moment im reaching for dip and i hear, "Isnt that Jordan?"

"Cant be bro. Thats the special teams unit."

Controller. Rewind. Play.

"What the fu...."

You tell me a guy is injured. Your bringing him along slowly. Now hes on a unit thats employed in gameplay wherein rules had to be altered not long ago in order to save quality of life.

I would later hear Le Batard bring it up on one of his shows, the idea that the way they were playing Jordan was telling of a fractured relationship between the coach and front office ( No one gives Le Batard any credit btw and turns out hes usually smarter). I couldnt come to grips with it. Why would they do that? Its sabotage. Then i remembered the movie Moneyball and it made sense. I had no idea it was the highschool drama being pitched in the news but it was certainly something.
 
OnDaChainWax said:
Im surprised that some are surprised about the disconnect between GM and HC. I smelled something fishy the moment im reaching for dip and i hear, "Isnt that Jordan?"

"Cant be bro. Thats the special teams unit."

Controller. Rewind. Play.

"What the fu...."

You tell me a guy is injured. Your bringing him along slowly. Now hes on a unit thats employed in gameplay wherein rules had to be altered not long ago in order to save quality of life.

I would later hear Le Batard bring it up on one of his shows, the idea that the way they were playing Jordan was telling of a fractured relationship between the coach and front office ( No one gives Le Batard any credit btw and turns out hes usually smarter). I couldnt come to grips with it. Why would they do that? Its sabotage. Then i remembered the movie Moneyball and it made sense. I had no idea it was the highschool drama being pitched in the news but it was certainly something.
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been what Ive been thinking. But you know what they say, what comes round goes round. People will all have us believing Joe is safe yadda yadda yadda.....That is until a women changes her mind. perogative.
 
TheWalrus said:
If you don't think he's a good player based off the last two years, then mazel tov to you. But if you think he's a good player and you don't like the fourth quarter against Auburn then you're overreacting to the last thing you saw and that's not a good way to go about an eval. The list of guys with bowl performances that went against the grain of their college careers -- good and bad -- and ended up not reflecting how they ended up as pros is way longer than the list of guys where a bad bowl performance ended up being a harbinger of future badness (Vinny Testaverde springs to mind) or a great bowl performance by a mediocrity ended up being a sign of future greatness (nothing is jumping to mind right now but I'm sure it's happened).

Anyway I know you put the time in so this kind of last look analysis would be something I'd expect you to shun.

As for the rest... I'm not saying we will get Alex Mack away from Cleveland. Only that we should try. It sounds like they might try to slap the franchise tag on him, in which case you move on. But I like the idea of him on an o-line with Pouncey. I don't particularly care which one plays center. Barring him I think I've identified several lower level interior linemen who could help us.

My main concern with Saffold isn't skill, it's injuries. When healthy he's every bit as good as Beatty, imo. Plus I'd be playing him at RT with Collins at LT. I do think it's more likely we end up with a Ryan Harris (or a rookie) over there, but the fact is we barely have a rosterable tackle on the team right now.
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i should have said that jernigan on the sideline in the crunch just kinda finalized my thoughts on the guy...i dont think he's a special gaps shooter dt or ultra quick laterally...i think he's overrated...

agreed on saffold the skills there but the medical red flags are numerous and he got in st louis doghouse mutliple times for not playing thru injury etc...at least that's what i had heard...not very willing to play nicked up

i'd love mack but i'd love a lot of guys that there's not a shot in hell we will ever sniff
 
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