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Barry Jackson: Players beginning to question the coaches

Grimes didn't think CBs should be covering McKnight, and other players obviously feel Wake and Trusnick shouldn't have to do it. And on the TD Wake actually had safety help. So if you can't cover RBs with CBs, safeties or LBs what options are we left with?

Philbin is absolutely right on the Hartline penalty. There is a gif floating around and it was clearly rehearsed, but the most disturbing part is Tannehill was a member of the "gallery." Tannehill should ****ing know the rules better than that for one thing. And for another thing you should concentrate on practicing your game, not ridiculous TD celebrations. Especially when the offense is still stinking up the joint and we were losing the game.
 
Think about how quickly this has crumbled. A huge opening day victory over the Patriots during which the Dolphins clearly looked like the better team. The positive vibes in the national media. The opportunity to go to Buffalo and start 2-0 in the division.

And two weeks later, everything has fallen apart. The fact that the players have turned on Philbin & Coyle so quickly tells you that Philbin's leadership of this team has been tenuous all along. I really believe that not even winning will cure this. The players don't respect Philbin. That much is clear. Tannehill, a guy with two years and a few weeks of mediocre play under his belt, comes out and says publicly that he was disappointed in his head coach. Players are giving anonymous quotes to reporters. This thing is about to collapse.

One other thing that sticks out to me is when Hickey was hired, it seemed like Ross made clear that Hickey didn't have the authority to fire Philbin. Basically, Philbin does not report to Hickey, he reports to Ross. So now, we have a terrible head coach. We have a GM who can't make a change. And we have an owner who seems more than willing to accept failure and disgrace from Philbin. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Philbin should have been fired after the Martin-Incognito fiasco surfaced. It was a clear indication that Philbin had no control over this team. He wasn't winning and the locker room was a disaster. How much longer are we going to have to deal with this incompetent, over-matched fool running this team? You don't take a guy who had never been a head coach at ANY LEVEL and suddenly make him the head coach at the highest level. Even horrible Cam Cameron was a college head coach before he got the Dolphins job. Philbin is a career nobody. This guy has to go, and the sooner the better.
 
roy_miami said:
Grimes didn't think CBs should be covering McKnight, and other players obviously feel Wake and Trusnick shouldn't have to do it. And on the TD Wake actually had safety help. So if you can't cover RBs with CBs, safeties or LBs what options are we left with?

Philbin is absolutely right on the Hartline penalty. There is a gif floating around and it was clearly rehearsed, but the most disturbing part is Tannehill was a member of the "gallery." Tannehill should ****ing know the rules better than that for one thing. And for another thing you should concentrate on practicing your game, not ridiculous TD celebrations. Especially when the offense is still stinking up the joint and we were losing the game.
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Hartline doesn't score often...he should celebrate the heck out of that TD. So what if the short field resulted in a TD drive for the Chiefs lol. How dare Philbin be angry that the short field puts the defense in a bad situation since he knows they were struggling for most of the game.
 
ForksPhin said:
Think about how quickly this has crumbled. A huge opening day victory over the Patriots during which the Dolphins clearly looked like the better team. The positive vibes in the national media. The opportunity to go to Buffalo and start 2-0 in the division.

And two weeks later, everything has fallen apart. The fact that the players have turned on Philbin & Coyle so quickly tells you that Philbin's leadership of this team has been tenuous all along. I really believe that not even winning will cure this. The players don't respect Philbin. That much is clear. Tannehill, a guy with two years and a few weeks of mediocre play under his belt, comes out and says publicly that he was disappointed in his head coach. Players are giving anonymous quotes to reporters. This thing is about to collapse.

One other thing that sticks out to me is when Hickey was hired, it seemed like Ross made clear that Hickey didn't have the authority to fire Philbin. Basically, Philbin does not report to Hickey, he reports to Ross. So now, we have a terrible head coach. We have a GM who can't make a change. And we have an owner who seems more than willing to accept failure and disgrace from Philbin. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Philbin should have been fired after the Martin-Incognito fiasco surfaced. It was a clear indication that Philbin had no control over this team. He wasn't winning and the locker room was a disaster. How much longer are we going to have to deal with this incompetent, over-matched fool running this team? You don't take a guy who had never been a head coach at ANY LEVEL and suddenly make him the head coach at the highest level. Even horrible Cam Cameron was a college head coach before he got the Dolphins job. Philbin is a career nobody. This guy has to go, and the sooner the better.
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Hmmm....where have I heard that before?

Players have lost respect for Nick Saban and his militant ways?
Players have lost respect for Cam Cameron and many don't listen to him?
Players have lost respect for Tony Sparano and question his game planning?

Seems like the same song and dance with every coach....maybe we need new players that actually do the job they get paid to do.
 
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Nobody should be complaining. Not the players, not the coaches.

The team lost 2 games. You know who else is 1-2?
New Orleans.
San Francisco.
Green Bay
NY Jets
and I'm sure others.

They lost to the best Buffalo Bills team in years, and a KC team that almost beat the Super Bowl challenger Bronco's the week before, down to the wire.
And, Miami beat the Patriots in week 1. Week 1? Last time that happened was a gimmick wildcat nonsense game.

This is just ridiculous that this team is falling apart when they're only 1-2. It's hilarious, really.
Philbin couldn't control a high school classroom. What a mess.
 
datruth55 said:
Hmmm....where have I heard that before?

Players have lost respect for Nick Saban and his militant ways?
Players have lost respect for Cam Cameron and many don't listen to him?
Players have lost respect for Tony Sparano and question his game planning?

Seems like the same song and dance with every coach....maybe we need new players that actually do the job they get paid to do.
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Actually, maybe it is time we hire a coach that players can actually respect. You mention Saban, Cameron, and Sparano. We, as fans, knew these guys didn't deserve respect. And somehow players are going to respect them?? C'mon. Do you think any player on the Dolphins respected Saban once they realized that Culpepper was a broken QB and Drew Brees was lighting it up in New Orleans?? Players aren't stupid. At least Saban knew enough to get out on his own. Imagine how Philbin felt last year while everything was crumbling around him and the Dolphins were the national media story for weeks because he had zero control over his locker room and actually accepted Incognito as "team leader". I can guarantee that if there was any remaining respect for Philbin anywhere in the world of football and a big-name college came calling, Philbin would have resigned. Instead, you can bet he realizes this is his last chance to be a head coach. No one will hire the guy who let the Martin-Incognito fiasco happen on his watch. So, Philbin probably knows he is fighting a losing battle with trying to get this team to follow him and respect him, but is he going to walk away?? Never. So, he'll drag this team down until he gets fired. Because he has no ability to turn this around.
 
roy_miami said:
Grimes didn't think CBs should be covering McKnight, and other players obviously feel Wake and Trusnick shouldn't have to do it. And on the TD Wake actually had safety help. So if you can't cover RBs with CBs, safeties or LBs what options are we left with?

Philbin is absolutely right on the Hartline penalty. There is a gif floating around and it was clearly rehearsed, but the most disturbing part is Tannehill was a member of the "gallery." Tannehill should ****ing know the rules better than that for one thing. And for another thing you should concentrate on practicing your game, not ridiculous TD celebrations. Especially when the offense is still stinking up the joint and we were losing the game.
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This GIF epitomizes every thread that paints Philbin in a bad light:

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Philbin = Boy
Dog = Finheaven
Cat = roy_miami

roy_miami to the rescue!
 
The Natives are getting restless; the wheels are coming off the bus; the chickens are coming home to roost; this is the beginning of the end; ye reap what ye sow;
(feel free to insert any other fitting cliches)

By not publicly supporting Tannehill even if he had to white lie to do so (and if he's not denying he's going to Alabama, what's a little prevarication among friends and media?) Philbin has demonstrated to the other players that he doesn't have their backs when the going gets rough. When a coach is carving off "me" from "you", expect a lockerroom schism. I don't suspect it'll get much better.
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
Right now this organization doesn't have great leadership being represented by the coaching staff and the distractions that we had last year are returning. They are not at the same magnitude right now, but this team can't afford another year of this.
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I think most of us believed philbin would be different but sadly we all gotta stop looking at this team with our hearts. We have a head coach who has never been anything worth a damn at any level, a secondary coach disguised as a defensive coordinator, special team coach I don't even know his name who is garbage. This team is being coached by inexperienced baboons who believe they are good. At this point I would have Don shula coach this team at 100 yrs old.
 
Business as usual for the Dolphins: a few back-to-back losses start a downward spiral, players beginning to distance themselves from their coaches, the team loses even more games, the owner fires the coach too late to turn the season around, the team starts to win once the coach is out but miss the playoffs by one or two games, will end the season in the middle of the pack and have a ****ty draft position.

I see two possibilities at this point: either Philbin will be the coach for the entire season which will at least result in a high draft pick or you fire him after today's game and hope to salvage the season with this move. If you go with the latter, it creates another problem: who will take over until the end of the season? Kevin Coyle? He has the same respect from the players that Philbin has at this point. Bill Lazor? No way a QB coach turned OC will be the head coach after three games. Who else is left?
 
phinasota said:
Man, I can't take much more of this, why can't we just get some good damn leadership? A guy that don't give a **** about celebrations, a guy that backs his team up, a guy that will lead us into battle with a good plan and make the right adjustments to win the battle. It really can't be that hard. It can't be.
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And leave the Chewing um wrappers to the not so professionals . lol
 
whizafriz said:
Nobody should be complaining. Not the players, not the coaches.

The team lost 2 games. You know who else is 1-2?
New Orleans.
San Francisco.
Green Bay
NY Jets
and I'm sure others.

They lost to the best Buffalo Bills team in years, and a KC team that almost beat the Super Bowl challenger Bronco's the week before, down to the wire.
And, Miami beat the Patriots in week 1. Week 1? Last time that happened was a gimmick wildcat nonsense game.

This is just ridiculous that this team is falling apart when they're only 1-2. It's hilarious, really.
Philbin couldn't control a high school classroom. What a mess.
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I don't think being 1-2 is the issue its losing to both teams by 19 points
 
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