Basement Team?

[NYPhin24]

I'm sorry but you guys really just have zero objectivity.
The Bills signed arguably a top 3 pass rusher in the entire league and another very effective pass rusher while we dumped our best offensive player and hired a new coaching regime. Philbin might very well end up being a great coach, but he also might end up being a massive failure, we have no idea he's completely unproven.

And the Dolphins have a top 5-7 pass rusher in Wake, but as we know 1 player or even 2 can not carry the team themselves

The point remains as good as Mario Williams is, can he make up for the faults of Ryan Fitzpatrick? did he help solidfy a very shaky Bills OL? did he help fill the Bills #2 WR role?

A lot of peeople love the Bills offseason moves and see the big flashy star powered name of Mario Williams, who mind you is coming off an injury and switching positions again

the experts put the Bills ahead of the Phins but ignore the fact Miami beat them both times last season including an *** whooping of 35-8 in which Fitz had a QB rating of 45.8

they are the "now" team for 2012, just like the Eagles were the "sexy pick" for 2011.....

 

[Nublar7]

Do you think we had a better off season than the Bills?

Ask the Eagles how "winning the offseason" worked out for them.

In 2002 we traded for perhaps the best offensive player in football at the time. The result? Our record was worse than the previous year and we missed the playoffs.

Just in 2009 when we had the "big offseason" by signing Marshall and Dansby, the record didn't go up or down. Signing big name players doesn't guarantee squat and until the Bills prove on the field that they are better than Miami, I am not going to sit here and agree with the perception that they will have a winning record, be in the playoffs or possibly dethrone the Patriots as the top team in the East. Don't get me wrong, Mario Williams was a huge signing for the Bills and will help, but lets have him prove it before crowning them as something they are not. The Dolphins blew them out twice last year(second game score was closer than the play of the game) and have won 6 of the past 8 meetings. I just don't see how Buffalo is suddenly light years ahead of Miami. I expect Miami to at least split with the Bills but probably sweep them this year.

Don't forget that since 2007 Williams sack total has declined each year and he hasn't posted double digit sacks since the 2008 season. Cameron Wake has more sacks the past three years than Williams. Williams is also coming back from a serious pectoral injury.

 

[tazthenomad]

Unfortunately I think Tebow will help with the wildcat a lot more than R.Brown and RW did in Miami. Plus would it really surprise you if Sparano somehow someway was a good OC for the Jets? I can see it now...those d-bags being a Top 10 offense.

Why? Because it's the Jets and our lives as Dolphins fans are miserable anyway.

Tebow can/should throw better out of the wildcat but he is nowhere close to the runner that Brown was out of it. He is a good runner for a QB, not a good RB and there's a big difference between the two. I didn't see a lot of Tebow in Denver but I saw a lot of his college work and he looked slower at making up his mind on the pitch than RB did in the option.

Seriously, other than being in love with being miserable can you think of any evidence that Sparano is capable of being a good OC? I feel like a broken record on this point but when he was HC he worked with and tolerated Dan Henning he should have fired him the year before he retired. He had a chance to vindicate himself after Henning retired and he went out and hired Dabol from Cleveland.... one of the only offenses even less effective than Miami's the previous year. He was supposedly an OL guru and under his coaching he was unable to develop new talent for the OL and regularly turned the OL in to a "lab" for complete preseasons PLUS and generally kept the line from gelling well into the season. If you can't even recognized a good OC or coach an OL how could you be a good OC?

 

[JerryD]

The AFC East is a mess. Its NE & the rest is wide open for anyone who gets their act together ... which is maybe the Bills & maybe no one!!

Dolphins should be firmly entrenched in the AFC East basement.

Dolphins have ave talent, 3 losing seasons, new coaches & schemes ... sheesh, almost a lock. QB play & luck is our long shot, with "alledged draft".

Don't forget Bills QB suffered most his losses with broken ribs ... think he's going to bounce back and they'll be 2nd to NE.

Jets are a .500 team, PERIOD. About everything strategic Rex has done has backfired (but he can coach, kinda like Wannstache) & Sancheeze can't QB.

Tebow can play some football, but he's no QB ... probably get a civil war going.

Sparno is a fool, can't name a smart thing he's ever done ... mystified Jets hired him. Same with Cam Cameron & he's got Balt flat as a crepe forever (wasted their D)!!

The Jets & Rex's "strategery" is beyond comprehension!! Makes Tuna look smart!!

 

[brennonk]

Not a fan of the Jets picking up Tebow...dont like him with Sparano at all.....that being said, I think we're number 2 in the division....Jets and Bills in the basement.

 

[joeylats]

no cellar dweller here

miami will finish 2nd in division.jets have no qb or offense for that matter,the Bills well there the Bills and always find ways to lose,

 

[nyjunc]

The fact their offense is much worse now than it was last year and their defense is in steady decline. What upgrades have they made?

You dont think the addition of Mark Anderson (10 sacks, 2 FF's in 2011) and The Pornstache (one of the best defensive coordinators in the league) helps them. Sorry but they went from having the 2nd worst to potentially hands down the best defense in the division and possibly one of the best in the league.

hands down the best in the division? you are on a roll. Wannstedt is a good DC, he's a tad overrated b/c of the few years in dallas. Mark Anderson? nice complimentary player but most of his sacks were in garbage time. You don't think NE, w/ cap room, would have made a run to keep him if they thought he was worth it?

Buf definitely improved, they have the best DL in the division but they still have plenty of questions. I expect Buf to compete w/t he jets for 2nd and compete for a playoff spot but they don't have hands down the best D in the division- they don't have the best D in the division.

I'm not calculating rookies into the equation because we dont know if they will help their team or not.

I disagree with you that Tebow makes their team better. How does he make them signficantly better getting a small amount of snaps and playing special teams? I certainly do think their offense will be worse with Sparano than the 25th overall it was ranked last year. Their scoring offense was decent but we all know how good Sparanos teams are at scoring. Also they dont have any WR's outside of Holmes, who probably will be even more of a non-factor and a cry baby (already starting this OTA's) than he was last year.

The O was 13th in points scored. We don't have any Wrs outside of Holmes, who are your WRs again?

 

[DuderinoN703]

Tebow can/should throw better out of the wildcat but he is nowhere close to the runner that Brown was out of it. He is a good runner for a QB, not a good RB and there's a big difference between the two. I didn't see a lot of Tebow in Denver but I saw a lot of his college work and he looked slower at making up his mind on the pitch than RB did in the option.

Seriously, other than being in love with being miserable can you think of any evidence that Sparano is capable of being a good OC? I feel like a broken record on this point but when he was HC he worked with and tolerated Dan Henning he should have fired him the year before he retired. He had a chance to vindicate himself after Henning retired and he went out and hired Dabol from Cleveland.... one of the only offenses even less effective than Miami's the previous year. He was supposedly an OL guru and under his coaching he was unable to develop new talent for the OL and regularly turned the OL in to a "lab" for complete preseasons PLUS and generally kept the line from gelling well into the season. If you can't even recognized a good OC or coach an OL how could you be a good OC?

I agree with you which is why I'm amazed he had success in Denver. It certainly appeared that he had God on his side b/c I still don't think Tebow is that great an NFL player but his success speaks volumes for him.

 

[DuderinoN703]

hands down the best in the division? you are on a roll. Wannstedt is a good DC, he's a tad overrated b/c of the few years in dallas. Mark Anderson? nice complimentary player but most of his sacks were in garbage time. You don't think NE, w/ cap room, would have made a run to keep him if they thought he was worth it?

Buf definitely improved, they have the best DL in the division but they still have plenty of questions. I expect Buf to compete w/t he jets for 2nd and compete for a playoff spot but they don't have hands down the best D in the division- they don't have the best D in the division.

Why is it every team that makes moves that are not the Jets there's always some sort of criticism towards them but when the Jets do something, it's always a great fit?

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Sparano never had the offensive talent or defense that the jets have.

 

[nyjunc]

Why is it every team that makes moves that are not the Jets there's always some sort of criticism towards them but when the Jets do something, it's always a great fit?

Is saying I expect Buf to compete w/ the jets for 2nd and compete for a playoff spot an insult? where have I said all the moves the jets made will be great moves?

 

[DuderinoN703]

Is saying I expect Buf to compete w/ the jets for 2nd and compete for a playoff spot an insult? where have I said all the moves the jets made will be great moves?

I don't think you actually expect me to sort through the hundreds of comments from you to prove a point.

You go from

hands down the best in the division? you are on a roll. Wannstedt is a good DC, he's a tad overrated b/c of the few years in dallas. Mark Anderson? nice complimentary player but most of his sacks were in garbage time. You don't think NE, w/ cap room, would have made a run to keep him if they thought he was worth it?

Wannstedt is a tad overrated but you hug Sparano's jock with his superior time as Dallas OC. Anderson is a complimentary player? That's all he needs to be. Sacks are sacks. There's always an excuse for the player not being the best.

 

[nyjunc]

I don't think you actually expect me to sort through the hundreds of comments from you to prove a point.

You go from



Wannstedt is a tad overrated but you hug Sparano's jock with his superior time as Dallas OC. Anderson is a complimentary player? That's all he needs to be. Sacks are sacks. There's always an excuse for the player not being the best.

not all #s are created equal, he had 10 sacks most in garbage time. That doesn't impress me, I want guys to step up when needed most. Do you think NE gives up on a guy like that after a year if they thought he was some great pass rusher? NE has a pretty good track record of knowing when to let a player go.

I have never once praised Sparano, I have said over and over I'm not sure what to expect but when people bash him I correctly point out he had a top 5 O int he one year he called plays- what is wrong w/ that? Tony wasn't the DC of a team that allowed 55 pts in a playoff game.

 

[Kinzua]

I agree with you which is why I'm amazed he had success in Denver. It certainly appeared that he had God on his side b/c I still don't think Tebow is that great an NFL player but his success speaks volumes for him.

Tebow had "success" in Denver only until teams figured him out. The Pats and Bills had crappy defenses last season, but they beat Tebow three times in the Donkeys' last five games. KC chimed in by holding the Donkeys TD-less in the season finale. Film is NFL DCs' biggest weapon, and once they had Tebow on film, they figured out how to neutralize him. I don't think his move to the Jests changes the basic Tebow defense that teams will use, especially since the Jests have no real offensive weapons: contain the run and use zone coverage.

 

[Kinzua]

not all #s are created equal, he had 10 sacks most in garbage time. That doesn't impress me, I want guys to step up when needed most. Do you think NE gives up on a guy like that after a year if they thought he was some great pass rusher? NE has a pretty good track record of knowing when to let a player go.

I have never once praised Sparano, I have said over and over I'm not sure what to expect but when people bash him I correctly point out he had a top 5 O int he one year he called plays- what is wrong w/ that? Tony wasn't the DC of a team that allowed 55 pts in a playoff game.

What's wrong is that it isn't true. Tony Sparano was never the OC in Dallas. He didn't design the plays nor did he design the offense. It was Jason Garrett's offense, and he was the one who drew up the x's and o's. Sparano was the OL coach who called played for several games, which is a whole lot different than being the OC.