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On paper, Buffalo has improved the defense very nicely. The Jets are to unpredictable in the locker room but bit on the field. Sparano plays it close to the vest and tried to win in the end. More often then not that strategy failed. Miami has improved the OL and installed 2 new systems. Point is that any of those three teams can finish anywhere but 1st.

Amazing how some of you predict success based on your draft picks but dismiss another teams picks. Homerism at its best.


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Kinzua said:
Just because Lee couldn't "fix" or "improve" Henne doesn't mean he's a bad coach. Sometimes, the talent just isn't there to "fix".
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and now the talent is there w/ Fitz? David lee's claim to fame is the WC helping Miami's O in 2008, he is not some NFL QB guru.

insomnia411 said:
First of all, it'd probably be a good idea for both the Jets and Fins to cancel next season, so relax big nuts.

Secondly and more importantly, when statistics back up your argument, you go on and on about them in your posts. (I've noticed that you're quite fond of noting Sanchez's TD-INT ratio in the playoffs) Yet when stats completely contradict your argument (like when the FACTS get in the way of your OPINION) you dismiss them as meaningless fantasy numbers. I wonder if you could please enlighten me as to when numbers matter, and when they can simply be tossed aside, I want specific sets of circumstances. To me, it seems as if Philip Rivers would have a much better playoff track record if not for a ****ty kicker and a torn ACL. (which he played with)
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It's so sad that a dolphin fan w/ no hope only feels better about his team w/ his wishful thinking that his most hated rival will be joining his team in the basement.

When dod I note his TD to INT ratio in the playoffs? I rarely post them except when jealous Jet haters like yoursewlf bash him for his reg season #s and ignore postseason. I'm not a #s guy, mark's #s were much better in 2011 than 2010 but he wasn't half as good in '11 as he was in '10 so please keep making things up, there are enough anti-Jet fans on here that will believe you and thank you for your posts so that should make you feel good.


Rivers excuse was his injury(the Chargers won their only div rd game w/ Rivers startign when he was hurt and removed from that game and billy Volek led the GW drive) and K? i love excuses.

2006 div rd at home vs. NE: his K did miss a kick to tie it late but it was 54 yarder, hardly a chip shot. he had a million chances that game and was terrible. they led 14-3, just like sanchez and the jets on the road at NE 2010 playoffs but when NE got close against us Sanchez led us on a long TD drive to make it a DD lead again, Rivers couldn't do that. Up 14-13 at the Pats 37 w/a 1st and 10 he threw an INT.

2007 title game: throws 0 TDs and 2 INTs, leads O to 12 pts. Again, after advancing when he couldn't finish diov rd game and billy Volek led them to GW TD, by the way- Kaeding was 4 for 4 in Fgs that day.

2008 div rd at Pitt: Nice #s but unfortunately most of them came when the game was in garbage time. he had a bad game

2009 div rd vs. Jets: Kaeding missed 3(2 makeable FGs) but Rivers' 2 INts were critical and his inability to move the football killed SD. Up 7-3 he threw an INT out of his own EZ setting up the Jets first TD and giving them a lad they would never lose. The last TD he led them to was late w/ the Jets up 17-7 and in prevent. They lost mainly b/c of the QB play even though the K stunk.

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MadDog 88 said:
On paper, Buffalo has improved the defense very nicely. The Jets are to unpredictable in the locker room but bit on the field. Sparano plays it close to the vest and tried to win in the end. More often then not that strategy failed. Miami has improved the OL and installed 2 new systems. Point is that any of those three teams can finish anywhere but 1st.

Amazing how some of you predict success based on your draft picks but dismiss another teams picks. Homerism at its best.



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Sparano never had the offensive talent or defense that the jets have.
 
Junc, he is not making stuff up. When stats support your argument you use them. When they don't you call them meaningless fantasy numbers and now you're not a numbers guy. It has become more prevalent lately.


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MadDog 88 said:
Junc, he is not making stuff up. When stats support your argument you use them. When they don't you call them meaningless fantasy numbers and now you're not a numbers guy. It has become more prevalent lately.


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I never just cite #s especially for QBs since they are responsible for the entire offense. This guy is all over the place, show me the posts where i am quoting his postseason #s? he made ti sound like that's all I talk about and that's not true. I will post them in response to those that ignore them- those folks that just post #s but i don't just cite postseason #s and that's it.

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What offensive talent does the Jets have that Sparano never had in Miami?


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Better QB, OL, group of WRs(he had the best w/ Marshall but not much else), an O that has played well in big games and helped win big games.
 
insomnia411 said:
The debate isn't over cuz you just said that you're overall view of the team last year was more accurate. How? You knew that Chad Henne was our quarterback, you knew that we had no off season, and you knew that we were installing a new offense yet you predicted 9-7 anyway. You can't now go back and use those factors as excuses for why we lost so many games. It's not as if some unforseen circumstance prevented us from winning as many games as we should have last year.
What excuse do you want to make for the team's failure last year? The QB change? Didn't seem like we were setting the world on fire with Henne anyway, and I seriously doubt we would have done any better had either of the bums (Henne or Moore) played the entire season. You want to blame the coaching staff (or just the OC) specifically? You seemed to love those guys before last season, you can't revise history now. Wanna blame the lack of an off season? Nobody had an off season, that's a terrible excuse.
Outside of Henne, the team was relatively healthy last year. Again, there's no catastrophic event you can point to from last year that caused our downfall. The team was on a downward spiral from snap #1, and we started winning once we started playing really awful teams. We didn't beat a single good team last year, and don't start talking about losses by small margins either, go back and look at our 2007 1-15 team, we lost a bunch of close games that year too. Margin of victory means nothing, you are what your record says you are, period.
So no, we weren't the worst team in the league last year, only about 7th or 8th worst. Congratulations to the 2011 Miami Dolphins for not being the ****tiest team in the league!... You were wrong dude, and like I said, if anything 9-7 was more far off than 6-10, because you didn't anticipate a QB change that helped us win those games against crap teams! You had us at 9-7 with Chad Henne.
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I said that I overestimated the time it would take for the offense to click, why do you keep ignoring that? I didn't think it would take 7 games for things to fall into place and let's be honest a quarterback change earlier in the season also contributed to the slower development. The Dolphins wouldn't have been 0-7 imo if Henne was the starter all those games. Matt Moore is not a great quarterback, but he did show he is an average to above average quarterback when given the chance to start. Henne was also entering the season following a strong camp and a strong preseason. I was not a Henne supporter, as you know I wanted a veteran free agent to replace him when free agency started. Moore is not a long term answer, which is why they went out and drafted Tannehill. It is funny that you are now using Moore as an arguement for why this team won yet in previous threads/posts blast Moore as being garabage and one of the worst quarterbacks(if not the worst) in the league.

My predicition was wrong. So was Dr. Phin, who called me out and started this whole bickering that you decided to stick your nose into. I know you like to pick fights with me, I get that. That is your mo, but really this argument is over. Dr. Phin's prediction of 3-13 was wrong, so was my predicition of 9-7. Neither of us are getting a prize, so let's not have this silly argument.
 
nyjunc said:
I never just cite #s especially for QBs since they are responsible for the entire offense. This guy is all over the place, show me the posts where i am quoting his postseason #s? he made ti sound like that's all I talk about and that's not true. I will post them in response to those that ignore them- those folks that just post #s but i don't just cite postseason #s and that's it.



Better QB, OL, group of WRs(he had the best w/ Marshall but not much else), an O that has played well in big games and helped win big games.
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Yes, the Jet offense was so much more talented. :lol:




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MadDog 88 said:
Yes, the Jet offense was so much more talented. :lol:




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They definitely ARENT more talented than we are on offense..

Last year they were 25th overall, we were 22nd.
Last year they were 21st passing, we were 23rd.
Last year they were 22nd rushing, we were 11th.
Last year they were 13th in scoring, we were 20th.

Clearly they were not better than were.
 
dolpns13 said:
He is going to destroy their OL even worse than it already is. We would have had a top 5 OL if he didnt keep changing it around every week. OL guru? Ha.. He is one of the worst OL coaches in the league.
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Your OL gave Reggie Bush his first 1,000 yd season, they weren't that bad.

dolpns13 said:
They definitely ARENT more talented than we are on offense..

Last year they were 25th overall, we were 22nd.
Last year they were 21st passing, we were 23rd.
Last year they were 22nd rushing, we were 11th.
Last year they were 13th in scoring, we were 20th.

Clearly they were not better than were.
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again, your #s come from garbage team in meaningless games, ours in a playoff race. Our Ol was beaten up last year, our QB didn't play well down the stretch, our WRs struggled, our run game was poor for half the year and we still scored more points.

What is more important? gaining yards or scoring points?
 
dolpns13 said:
They definitely ARENT more talented than we are on offense..

Last year they were 25th overall, we were 22nd.
Last year they were 21st passing, we were 23rd.
Last year they were 22nd rushing, we were 11th.
Last year they were 13th in scoring, we were 20th.

Clearly they were not better than were.
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Last year the Dolphins had better WRs, RB and QB play. The OL were about even. Under Rex, the Jets have never been about offense.


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MadDog 88 said:
Last year the Dolphins had better WRs, RB and QB play. The OL were about even. Under Rex, the Jets have never been about offense.


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Your QB play was awful when the tem had a chance to salvage the season. There's a reason you wnet out and got multiple QBs this offseason.

Your run game took off AFTER the season was over

Your WRs began to play AFTER your season was over


yes we are about D but we've had decent Os that can at least perform in big spots(until late last year).

On paper our O is better than yours as is our D.
 
nyjunc said:
Your QB play was awful when the tem had a chance to salvage the season. There's a reason you wnet out and got multiple QBs this offseason.

Your run game took off AFTER the season was over

Your WRs began to play AFTER your season was over


yes we are about D but we've had decent Os that can at least perform in big spots(until late last year).

On paper our O is better than yours as is our D.
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We got a QB because of horrible QB play but the Jets TRADED for Tebow which means nothing in terms of Sanchez' job security.

So much pressure lifted from a professional athlete after his season is over as you put it. :lol:




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MadDog 88 said:
We got a QB because of horrible QB play but the Jets TRADED for Tebow which means nothing in terms of Sanchez' job security.

So much pressure lifted from a professional athlete after his season is over as you put it. :lol:



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we got tebow as a backup and trick play guy, yoyu brought in 2 guys to compete for the starting job. That's VERY different.
 
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