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NorFlaFin said:
James McNight all over again.

Haha... that's a really good comparison. I do see the similarities. They play fairly similar and have some of the same strengths and weaknesses. Lelie is definitely on a higher level than Mcknight and tends to make more plays, but he has the same flaws. I could envision Lelie being an emotional rollercoaster for us fans.
 
SF Dolfan said:
Haha... that's a really good comparison. I do see the similarities. They play fairly similar and have some of the same strengths and weaknesses. Lelie is definitely on a higher level than Mcknight and tends to make more plays, but he has the same flaws. I could envision Lelie being an emotional rollercoaster for us fans.

Wasn't he the one that had the superman t-shirt under his jersey or was that Randle Hill?
 
i would love to have him on the other side of CC, but remeber we used Chambers alot more then ur other receivers and Lelie wants more balls thrown his way. If he stays queit and doesnt complain id be fine with him
 
I would make him an offer next year, but a big contract and pick compensation to the broncos is way to high. There is a reason Rod smith is still the guy in Denver, because he can be counted on. The only thing lellie is good at is surprising people after he disapoints on a regular basis...

Even defenses forget about him allowing him to be open till somone remembers he's there....
 
If he was perfect he wouldn't be available.

The way I see it an Ashley Lelie gives us better coverage of different vertical zones, out of our base offense.

Ronnie Brown is lethal in the short zones.

McMichael is lethal in the short-to-intermediate zones.

Chambers is lethal in the intermediate-to-deep zones.

Presumably, Lelie would be lethal in the deep-to-very-deep zones.

That kind of setup is the definition of stretching the field vertically, which is an absolute staple of the Scott Linehan philosophy (whereas, stretching the field horizontally was the staple of the WCO for many years).

Here's the problem I see, and the reason why Chambers can't be our pretty fly for a black guy. When your name is NOT Randy Moss, you just can't pump a high percentage of passes to the fly guy. The D knows it is coming, they defend it, heck they even intercept it. You've got to hurt the D in the intermediate zones before you can start hitting your fly guy.

Well, who do we have to draw the coverage away from Chambers? Nobody really, Chambers is our dude that draws the attention. Booker doesn't get open in the intermediate areas enough to open up Chambers for all kinds of fly patterns. Our OL isn't good enough to draw the D inside to focus purely on the ground game. We didn't have enough blocking prowess to even let Randy release often enough to hurt teams. This is traditionally why your #1 guy is NOT usually your fly guy...unless your name is Randy Moss. BTW this makes what Santana Moss, Joey Galloway, and Steve Smith did this year all the more impressive.

So who ended up our fly guy? Naturally Booker because Chambers, being our most effective WR period, finally started getting the ball in all kinds of situations to make plays. But Booker wasn't stretching the field of his own doing, he was just taking advantage of a crunched defense that focused on the short-to-intermediate areas.

I think an Ashley Lelie stretches the field on his own. If you leave him singled, you launch the ball, he's 6'3" and 200 pounds, sure he'll drop a bunch (like Chambers) but he'll catch a bunch too. So, he draws attention. Well, Chambers has to draw attention too, in the intermediate to deep areas. That's when you start seeing a deep cover two defensive formation like the ones Daunte constantly saw in Minny. That's when your ground game becomes dangerous as all heck (Minnesota led the NFL in rushing in 2003 I believe). That's when your TE becomes dangerous in intermediate zones (look at Jermaine Wiggins' success).

That is a vertically-stretched field.
 
I buy the CK 4:26 post..... although I more interested in opening up the deep seam routes....

I don't consider CC to be the fly guy.. never have... and have always considered him "soft" on the inside stuff... two significant issues (imo) about his game... apparently Saban got to him last season after he called CC out... CC responded with more physical play from different positions on the field... his YAC is still below average imo...

Booker is serviceable... and may be even better than that.... should CC ever really prove to be a true #1....

I think Hagen will prove very productive on 3rd down and red zone plays as the season develops...

If we keep 4 active roster spots open for game days... and consider Welker for the third ST specialist roll (punter, kicker, return man)... it's CC, Booker, Hagen... and (your guess here)...
 
fin1 said:
Wasn't he the one that had the superman t-shirt under his jersey or was that Randle Hill?

It was Hill.

:lol:

That was a funny moment.
 
I don't consider CC to be the fly guy.. never have... and have always considered him "soft" on the inside stuff... two significant issues (imo) about his game... apparently Saban got to him last season after he called CC out... CC responded with more physical play from different positions on the field... his YAC is still below average imo...Booker is serviceable... and may be even better than that.... should CC ever really prove to be a true #1....


Maybe being in a pass friendly offense had something to do with Chambers "improvement". He's been the same player the past few years. Saban had squat to do with Chambers improvement compared to what Linehan brought for him.
No doubt Saban is a better head coach and that could very well have a positive effect on a player but credit Saban with signing Linehan and Gus ( and Houck ), cuz that's what brought Chris up a level. As for YAC... Isn't CC usually diving for grabs, sideline toe-tappin, or catching them in the endzone? Booker will have a decent year in 06'
this is now a more favorable place for a WR Free Agent... And Lelie could flourish in our system. Can't Ignore that kind of ability regardless.
 
Getting down field means nothing if you can't catch the ball.
 
sleek said:
Getting down field means nothing if you can't catch the ball.

Yeah, but Lelie did catch the ball...like, 96 times in the last two years or something like that...to the tune of like 1850 yards and 8 TDs.
 
I say wait till next year when he hits free agency.....he'll be beggin' to come to South Florida after the season C-Pep and the Fins have!

Sign him up and give up NOTHING in return!
 
We need team players. We don't need another guy that is going to hold out because he's not happy with his role on the team. He gets paid to do what the coaches tell him. He should be a man and do what his team needs him to do. And when his contract ends then hit the free agency market. Or do what ole' what's his name did and buy yourself out of the contract. Just be a man and man up.
 
Yeah, but Lelie did catch the ball...like, 96 times in the last two years or something like that...to the tune of like 1850 yards and 8 TDs.

Hes dropped alot of crucial ones. PLus we have alot of depth at reciever.IMO kelly campbell or devin arom. could play the Lelie role your talkin about and we wouldn't have to give up anything.
 
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