Boston > Chambers

[GRYPHONK]

Thank you. It was like the doubters completely overlooked that fact.

Yeah just like Brandon Stoakleys year last year was only because he was going against a 2nd string CB everytime. So he really wasn't clutch or good because he needs to show it against the 1st stringrs lol!!!

 

[GRYPHONK]

what are you talking about? I can't stand Frerotte. and when did Boston blow by his defenders? what does that mean to this argument? Chambers had his defender beat in the first quarter when Frerotte couldn't hit him and he was wide open. what are you trying to prove?

saying that Boston beat his defenders on x plays is like saying Ricky would have had a hole had they ran the ball that down. If it doesn't happen it doesn't count. don't make up virtual-stats.

Do u seriously not understand?

Your whole argument is based on the notion that Boston isn't doing it against 1st stringers. Yet you conveniently look past the fact that had he had an accurate QB or dare I say it, maybe even Feeley, he would have easily had 2 TD'S tonight maybe even 3.

Against the 1st stringers.

So I will simplify this for you to understand

(Caveman talk) UGH... Boston beat defender. ugh... QB make bad throw. ugh ugh.. *beats chest* had Boston get good throw, Boston would have beated string CB of the 1st. ugh ugh ugh!!!!!!

 

[enigmatics]

bro it is unrealistic...boston isnt the same player he once was..he's good, but he's not on chambers level anymore, plus chamber has better hands

Hate to break it to ya, Boston doesn't have any drops this pre-season. Chambers does. Even if Boston isn't at exactly 100% of what he was when with the Cardinals, he's still just as good, if not better than Chambers. Boston's worst season was Chambers best season. Chambers isn't on some unattainable level. He's simply a good WR who's being watched to see if he can ever put it together to be great - but how many seasons are we going to be asking ourselves this same question?

 

[enigmatics]

Do u seriously not understand?

Your whole argument is based on the notion that Boston isn't doing it against 1st stringers. Yet you conveniently look past the fact that had he had an accurate QB or dare I say it, maybe even Feeley, he would have easily had 2 TD'S tonight maybe even 3.

Against the 1st stringers.

So I will simplify this for you to understand

(Caveman talk) UGH... Boston beat defender. ugh... QB make bad throw. ugh ugh.. *beats chest* had Boston get good throw, Boston would have beated string CB of the 1st. ugh ugh ugh!!!!!!

Neander-smack! I love it hahaha

 

[texasPHINSfan]

Explain why?

Boston has a Pro Bowl year under his belt plus a 1000 yard season.

What does Chambers have? Oh that's right the question he has every year. "So guys, is this gonna be the year Chambers finally breaks out?"

ok you are fast becoming the most ignorant person on this thread. don't throw your opinion in here as a valid argument.

so, to answer your question, i'll "explain why" that post was the most moronic....

Boston is the best receiver on the team. He has proved himself atleast.

A) this is an opinion "best receiver on the team". what would you define that as? who has the best stats? most catches? most yards? well look at last year. I do believe Chambers has proved himself on this team. Boston had two good years, that both took place 3 years ago. Until he proves he can do it again, you cannot say he's the best.
B) Boston proved himself in 2000 and 2001. since 2001 he has put up lesser #'s than Chambers
C) Boston is not even starting as 3rd WR on our depth chart in these preseason games. Don't give me that "Saban is trying different guys to see what they can do" bullcrap... thats why McMike and Chambers and Ricky are starting right? so he can 'experiment'? come on, take off the blinders. Boston's bulk of his production in the preseason has been in the 3rd and 4th quarters. BULK of his production, not all. Chambers has almost been exclusively first quarter, and he still has more preseason yards than Boston.

What has Chambers proved. He can make awsome catches. That doesnt get you nowhere. Gadsden made unbelievable catches with Miami, but now hes probably sitting at home looking for a job.

i can't even begin to say how stupid this comment is. What has chambers proved? he has consistently led this team in yards (and catches until last year), even in this inept offense that challenges ANYONE to accumulate yards or stats. This proves consistency, something that Boston has NOT proved in his career. It also proves that Chambers is reliable. Just because his QB's were completely inept does not mean he doesn't have the talent. The freak-catch comment and Oronde Gadsden reference was just stupid. Gadsden was a possession receiver, great at the freak catches due to errant Fiedler throws. Chambers is supposed to be a downfield threat WR, again making amazing catches due to errant Fiedler throws. This has no bearing on ability in the argument comparing them to Boston. His comment here alludes to the fact that soon Chambers will be sitting home "looking for a job". Gadsden's career was ended prematurely by a foot injury, FYI.

You cant say that Chambers is better than Boston because he has done nothing in his career to prove it.

Boston career yards: 4619 (5 years) 25 TDs average yds yr: 923
Chambers career yards: 3478 (4 years) 28 TDs average yds yr: 870

BOTH guys are averaging 14.9 yards a catch over their career.

Boston had a QB that threw 525 times for 3600 yards in his best year.
Chambers had a QB that threw 318 times for 2100 yards in his best year.

so yeah, chambers has done nothing in his career. One stat i didn't mention was Chambers has been consistent each year with his crappy QBs. Boston's stats are erratic and seem to be when he feels like playing (injuries aside).

I think that Chambers has a hard time playing as a #1. Hed be better off as a #2. And this year, the best and most complete receiver on the fins will be DAVID BOSTON.

how has chambers had a hard time as the #1 WR? he has a different QB starting each of the last 3 years, and his last consistent QB was pathetic, averaging just over 2,000 PASSING yards a year. The fact that he was able to put up #'s very similar to Boston with such an inept offense speaks volumes of his ability.... its not like other teams didn't know who we'd pass the ball to. Given the circumstances, Chambers has more than proved himself. Your #1 WR is usually your best, and usually a good deep threat. Boston at this point is looking like a possession guy. How many plays has he been used as a deep threat? how many catches have we seen him make over 20 yards? His time in Arizona are long past - you guys need to quit living in 2000 and 2001. That time is past, look to now. He has a lot to prove to us, so let him prove it. Get off his jock.

 

[tucker]

Hate to break it to ya, Boston doesn't have any drops this pre-season. Chambers does. Even if Boston isn't at exactly 100% of what he was when with the Cardinals, he's still just as good, if not better than Chambers. Boston's worst season was Chambers best season. Chambers isn't on some unattainable level. He's simply a good WR who's being watched to see if he can ever put it together to be great - but how many seasons are we going to be asking ourselves this same question?

good for him, but boston has never been known to have great hands, and you are looking at boston from his past, he just isnt where he needs to be as of yet..i'd love to see boston in his tip top shape, but he's not there right now

 

[Noodleman]

some things that u are overlooking.....

First, Boston is making plays partly due to the fact that Chambers is on the field. The reality is that Chambers is the fins best receiver right now. Second, the reality is that three weeks ago Boston was on the bubble for making the team. Third, if you look at history in Chambers career, when has he EVER had a qb that could consistently get him the ball? When has he EVER been in offense that was not conservative? I find it amazing that Chambers has even suceeded at all. Finally, if you compare their careers boston and Chambers have pretty comparable stats. If you look at Boston since he left Arizona, what has he done? Chambers is a game changer.......if the fins get decent qb play, Chambers, not Boston, will be the one to have the huge year. Just a side question, how can you possibly know that Chambers doesn't run good routes? I have been a Fin fan for 25 years and since Chambers has been in the league I have never once read anywhere or seen anything that would give me that idea.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

He completely overlooks Boston like he does Feeley.

It's a shame really that some people are so stubborn and blind.

ok you are officially ignorant. you haven't read the thread or my posts. I said feeley SHOULD start next game because he NEEDS to prove what he can do.

i am NOT a gus bandwagoner, and i am NOT a feeley bandwagoner. i'm not sold on either of these guys, and i don't know what i have to do to finally get this through to you guys.

it would help if you guys actually READ the thread before you post aggressively attacking a single post.

Mod Note: BOTH of you guys need to drop the personal insults or you'll be taking time off.

P4E

 

[GRYPHONK]

ok you are fast becoming the most ignorant person on this thread. don't throw your opinion in here as a valid argument.

so, to answer your question, i'll "explain why" that post was the most moronic....


A) this is an opinion "best receiver on the team". what would you define that as? who has the best stats? most catches? most yards? well look at last year. I do believe Chambers has proved himself on this team. Boston had two good years, that both took place 3 years ago. Until he proves he can do it again, you cannot say he's the best.
B) Boston proved himself in 2000 and 2001. since 2001 he has put up lesser #'s than Chambers
C) Boston is not even starting as 3rd WR on our depth chart in these preseason games. Don't give me that "Saban is trying different guys to see what they can do" bullcrap... thats why McMike and Chambers and Ricky are starting right? so he can 'experiment'? come on, take off the blinders. Boston's bulk of his production in the preseason has been in the 3rd and 4th quarters. BULK of his production, not all. Chambers has almost been exclusively first quarter, and he still has more preseason yards than Boston.

i can't even begin to say how stupid this comment is. What has chambers proved? he has consistently led this team in yards (and catches until last year), even in this inept offense that challenges ANYONE to accumulate yards or stats. This proves consistency, something that Boston has NOT proved in his career. It also proves that Chambers is reliable. Just because his QB's were completely inept does not mean he doesn't have the talent. The freak-catch comment and Oronde Gadsden reference was just stupid. Gadsden was a possession receiver, great at the freak catches due to errant Fiedler throws. Chambers is supposed to be a downfield threat WR, again making amazing catches due to errant Fiedler throws. This has no bearing on ability in the argument comparing them to Boston. His comment here alludes to the fact that soon Chambers will be sitting home "looking for a job". Gadsden's career was ended prematurely by a foot injury, FYI.


Boston career yards: 4619 (5 years) 25 TDs average yds yr: 923
Chambers career yards: 3478 (4 years) 28 TDs average yds yr: 870

BOTH guys are averaging 14.9 yards a catch over their career.

Boston had a QB that threw 525 times for 3600 yards in his best year.
Chambers had a QB that threw 318 times for 2100 yards in his best year.

so yeah, chambers has done nothing in his career. One stat i didn't mention was Chambers has been consistent each year with his crappy QBs. Boston's stats are erratic and seem to be when he feels like playing (injuries aside).

how has chambers had a hard time as the #1 WR? he has a different QB starting each of the last 3 years, and his last consistent QB was pathetic, averaging just over 2,000 PASSING yards a year. The fact that he was able to put up #'s very similar to Boston with such an inept offense speaks volumes of his ability.... its not like other teams didn't know who we'd pass the ball to. Given the circumstances, Chambers has more than proved himself. Your #1 WR is usually your best, and usually a good deep threat. Boston at this point is looking like a possession guy. How many plays has he been used as a deep threat? how many catches have we seen him make over 20 yards? His time in Arizona are long past - you guys need to quit living in 2000 and 2001. That time is past, look to now. He has a lot to prove to us, so let him prove it. Get off his jock.

Wow you are a walking contradiction. It is a moronic post because it is an opinion that he is the best WR On the team which is the first example u used.

How is that any different then you saying it's the most moronic thread? Sounds to me like an opinion.

Keep dreaming buddy one day u will see reality.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

Hate to break it to ya, Boston doesn't have any drops this pre-season. Chambers does.

you are wrong.

Boston had a drop in the first game versus the Bears, and one in the second game versus the Jaguars. I personally won't count one or two drops against a receiver, and neither should you. Moss has drops too, as does T.O.

Even if Boston isn't at exactly 100% of what he was when with the Cardinals, he's still just as good, if not better than Chambers. Boston's worst season was Chambers best season.

again, you are wrong.

Boston:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BostDa00.htm

Chambers:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/ChamCh00.htm

do some research before you talk out your a$$ next time.

Mod Note: We won't be hosting personal-level feuds in the threads. This gets you a day off. And I'll be reading on as I get to it.

P4E

 

[GRYPHONK]

ok you are officially ignorant. you haven't read the thread or my posts. I said feeley SHOULD start next game because he NEEDS to prove what he can do.

i am NOT a gus bandwagoner, and i am NOT a feeley bandwagoner. i'm not sold on either of these guys, and i don't know what i have to do to finally get this through to you guys.

it would help if you guys actually READ the thread before you post aggressively attacking a single post.

LOL valid point, I misstated your affection for Frerotte. I apologize for that.

By the way u calling me ignorant is an opinion. So by your logic, it is moronic to call me such.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

Do u seriously not understand?

Your whole argument is based on the notion that Boston isn't doing it against 1st stringers. Yet you conveniently look past the fact that had he had an accurate QB or dare I say it, maybe even Feeley, he would have easily had 2 TD'S tonight maybe even 3.

Against the 1st stringers.

So I will simplify this for you to understand

(Caveman talk) UGH... Boston beat defender. ugh... QB make bad throw. ugh ugh.. *beats chest* had Boston get good throw, Boston would have beated string CB of the 1st. ugh ugh ugh!!!!!!

wow you two are really duking it out for the idiot award. By commenting on which string Boston was playing against, i was NOT advocating one QB over the other. In fact i never mentioned it. I am referring to opposing D's.

*you* need to get off the QB argument, and off enigmatic's jock.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

Wow you are a walking contradiction. It is a moronic post because it is an opinion that he is the best WR On the team which is the first example u used.

How is that any different then you saying it's the most moronic thread? Sounds to me like an opinion.

Keep dreaming buddy one day u will see reality.

its moronic because he is basing his opinion on faulty information.

If i think that Ricky was the best RB in 2004, and i proclaim it as such as my opinion, its a stupid opinion because he did not play last year.

To say that Chambers hasn't proven anything in his career and Boston has is also assinine, as their stats will attest to. I posted them pretty clear. Obviously the person who posted that comment only saw Boston's one stellar year and never looked at Chamber's stats. If you are going to criticize my post and attempt to condescend, at least respond to my points instead of taking it off-course.

 

[Fineas]

what are you talking about? I can't stand Frerotte. and when did Boston blow by his defenders? what does that mean to this argument? Chambers had his defender beat in the first quarter when Frerotte couldn't hit him and he was wide open. what are you trying to prove?

saying that Boston beat his defenders on x plays is like saying Ricky would have had a hole had they ran the ball that down. If it doesn't happen it doesn't count. don't make up virtual-stats.

There were about a half dozen plays tonight when Boston had beaten his man badly downfield and the ball didn't come his way. On one, he had his man beat by a good 10 yards but Frerotte overthrew him by another 10. When the CB tried to lock him up at the line, Boston literally tossed him aside and was all alone. I have no explanation for why they only look to him on those little screen plays.

 

[GRYPHONK]

wow you two are really duking it out for the idiot award. By commenting on which string Boston was playing against, i was NOT advocating one QB over the other. In fact i never mentioned it. I am referring to opposing D's.

*you* need to get off the QB argument, and off enigmatic's jock.

LOL interesting.

Did u not say that Boston has to show it against 1st stringers?
Did not Boston beat his CB on 2 plays that would have lead to a TD with an accurate throw?

This point is not about QB'S, do u comprehend anything?

It's saying with a accurate QB Boston would have easily had 2 TD'S tonight against 1st stringers. Frerotte happened to be the QB.

In the post u quoted me on, not once did I indicate that you had a grudge or a liking to either QB.

I also rebutted your lame argument (MORONIC because it's an opinion I know:shakeno: ) by showing you facts about the 1st string D and Boston.