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Chad Henne top 10 in total QBR

We only have to look back to 2008 to see how far a very good QB can take a talent starved team. A great QB can make teams look in much better shape than they are. We only have to look back a couple hours to the Colts game to see an example of that.
LMAO....really? So you think Penny was why we won in 2008? Bahhaaaaa at 21 points a game. Dude the Wildcat had to be created because Penny couldn't do crap. We won against sub par teams with a gimmick offense and the best fourth quarter D in the league period. All Penny had to do was not turn the ball over. The current QBs don't have that luxury. Once the Wildcat was gone and our D was not playing as well, you saw what happened to Penny. 0-4 in his last 4 games, 2 Tds, 6 ints, 9 sacks, and 4 fumbles and a QB rating in the 40's....ya good point though.
 
Once again, the QB is not the issue on this team. The suck for Luck wagon is funny. I would love to have the kid, but if anyone thinks we win with him or any other QB with the surrounding cast playing they way they have, they are blind! There isn't much a QB can do for a defense that can't get off the field or gives up big plays, no running game, DB's that can't cover their bed, a safety and a "star receiver" that can't catch a cold, and an O-Line that has more holes than a golf course.

Don't you get it? It's all about "it". Henne doesn't have "it". Luck clearly has "it".

And the thing about "it", you can't really acquire it. You're born with it. And you can't have a little "it". I mean, either you have "it", or you don't. Unless you're Brees, of course. Or Brady. Or Elway. Or... or...

What was my point again?

Oh yeah. Screw numbers. Henne doesn't have "it", I don't care what your ****amamie newfangled stats say. Suck for Luck rulezzzz!!!1!!111!one
 
Tell that to Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, etc.
Really, a guy who didn't win a SB because he didn't have a running game ever and arguably the best receiving duo to play together, Brady ( I seem to remember the Pats winning 11 games without him), Manning who has had Harrison, Wayne, and Clark to throw to, and Brees who has 3 running backs that could be starters on any team, Colston and a great O-line...ya, they did it all themselves. It takes a team to win and this TEAM sucks and it has not been the QB's fault.
 
Don't you get it? It's all about "it". Henne doesn't have "it". Luck clearly has "it".

And the thing about "it", you can't really acquire it. You're born with it. And you can't have a little "it". I mean, either you have "it", or you don't. Unless you're Brees, of course. Or Brady. Or Elway. Or... or...

What was my point again?

Oh yeah. Screw numbers. Henne doesn't have "it", I don't care what your ****amamie newfangled stats say. Suck for Luck rulezzzz!!!1!!111!one
Ryan Leaf had it,David Carr had it, Tim Couch had it, Jeff George had it, Alex Smith had it, Carson Palmer had it.....Oh wait a sec.
 
So, tell us why your opinion and analysis more accurate than the professionals at ESPN and former NFL players?

Damn, you guys are never happy. Complain, complain, complain. Everything sucks. Blah, blah blah. Oregon, assisted suicide is legal. End the pain.

The Total QB rating is a system designed around an individuals personal point of view being passed off as fact. For this system, they dont sell it as "opinion" but as a foul proof rating system that is not wrong. But, the individuals scoring the throws(or involved with it) have a very vocal history of being biased towards certain players or, in some cases, being completely dishonest.

Taking bias and dishonesty out of the question, the system is flawed because of one simple reason: 2 educated and reasonable human beings with vast amounts of experience can look at a situation with an open mind and still come out with 2 completely different conclusions.

I'll take the old Qb rating system, despite it being misleading, thanks.
 
The Total QB rating is a system designed around an individuals personal point of view being passed off as fact. For this system, they dont sell it as "opinion" but as a foul proof rating system that is not wrong. But, the individuals scoring the throws(or involved with it) have a very vocal history of being biased towards certain players or, in some cases, being completely dishonest.

Taking bias and dishonesty out of the question, the system is flawed because of one simple reason: 2 educated and reasonable human beings with vast amounts of experience can look at a situation with an open mind and still come out with 2 completely different conclusions.

I'll take the old Qb rating system, despite it being misleading, thanks.

I highly doubt if you have described the two different human beings correctly that you would come up with "completely different conclusions". I mean, sure, 60.1 is completely different than 59.3, but it is close enough to determine if both people feel the qb is doing a good job or not. They would not be 20 pts. apart as you sort of suggest.

I too, would just rather go with the old system as well though.

And as far as Luck goes. I have been and still am in the camp that Henne can get it done, that he is improving in pretty much all areas, and that the teams lousy performances thus far fall on a lot of different people's shoulders before his. That being said, if Luck is available when we pick, the Fins should do one of two things....draft him of course, or deal that pick to the highest bidder. If the Fins just pick another lineman with that high a pick........... :crazy:
 
QBR? How about winning percentage as a starting QB? How about being able to produce in the red zone? How about not saying stupid things like "these guys never stop quiting"?

Chad is at best a mediocre QB. We will never win anything worthwhile with him
 
People on this forum is are jokes. Where are the checkdown chad people, the hartline bashers, the will allen is an old fart people, the matt ryan people, the daniel thomas bust people? Henne has been playing great so far open your eyes. When henne gets his his redzone touch passes(which he will) right he'll be complete. Understand that redzone execution doesnt come overnight especially when you havent thrown them since your college days. Suck for luck is a joke. I bet the jake and chad picks arent looking to bad now huh. I got a good idea, stop taking shots a players so soon I promise you it will save you from looking like idiots most of the time. Stop hoping manning or brady walks through the door.
 
We only have to look back to 2008 to see how far a very good QB can take a talent starved team. A great QB can make teams look in much better shape than they are. We only have to look back a couple hours to the Colts game to see an example of that.

If we ever needed a reminder of how important a franchise QB is, the Colts are a sterling example! They are Super Bowl contenders with Manning and possibly 0-16 without him? No, he wasn't that important - NOT! We need a FRANCHISE QB, they make everyone around them better.
 
QBR? How about winning percentage as a starting QB? How about being able to produce in the red zone? How about not saying stupid things like "these guys never stop quiting"?

Chad is at best a mediocre QB. We will never win anything worthwhile with him

We will never win anything without him either.... The QB is hardly the biggest problem on this team. I will admit, in preseason - I hated chad henne... checkdown chad, I was drinking the kyle orton koolaid... but look how that is turning out! Chad Henne has actually won me over in the first 4 games (probably because he is the least of our problems). I hardly believe losing to get Andrew Luck is any Kind of plan... but all you andrew luck hopefulls are in luck, because luckily for you.... we do suck!
 
I highly doubt if you have described the two different human beings correctly that you would come up with "completely different conclusions". I mean, sure, 60.1 is completely different than 59.3, but it is close enough to determine if both people feel the qb is doing a good job or not. They would not be 20 pts. apart as you sort of suggest.

I too, would just rather go with the old system as well though.

And as far as Luck goes. I have been and still am in the camp that Henne can get it done, that he is improving in pretty much all areas, and that the teams lousy performances thus far fall on a lot of different people's shoulders before his. That being said, if Luck is available when we pick, the Fins should do one of two things....draft him of course, or deal that pick to the highest bidder. If the Fins just pick another lineman with that high a pick........... :crazy:

Our draft, political, and religion forums have every day disagreements between educated individuals looking at a single situation and coming to different conclusions. To keep it within the context of a play on the field, and quite a few points in the TQBR system, ill set up an example:

Game: Lions vs Jets. Total QBR judges: Trent Dilfer, Mike Ditka, Cris Carter. Situation: last play of the game, Lions down by 6, 4th down, Lions ball in the redzone.
Play: After the snap Stafford sits comfortable in the pocket before having to roll out to the right because of pressure from Bart Scott after Brandon Pettigrew cant hold his block for as long as the play needs. Calvin Johnson running in the back of the endzone with Darrelle Revis covering him. None of Staffords checkdowns or other receivers are remotely open. As Stafford sets his feet and gets ready to throw it, Scott sacks Stafford and the game ends.
Judges response:
Trent Dilfer: bashes Stafford and gives him negative points for not making a clutch throw to a receiver that has 1 on 1 coverage.
Mike Ditka: excuses Stafford and gives him positive points for trying to make a play, while bashing Pettigrew for not holding down the block.
Cris Carter: blames both Stafford and Pettigrew, but mainly bashes Calvin Johnson for not winning his assignment and getting open.

Each, colored by their own experiences while playing football, come to a different conclusion as to who is at fault. Even without their own bias, none of their assessments are particularly wrong, as multiple people can be blamed or no one could be blamed. But because of the "clutch" play factor and the points off for "being responsible for a sack", that can drive down a Total Qb ratings score.
Thats just a very rough example, but not one you won't ever see in a game. In fact, plays like that happen every single week. Its easy to think that anyone who has a different point of view does so because they are "less informed" or "are just idiots" but the fact is multiple people can have different perspectives and all of them can be in the right.
 
We will never win anything without him either.... The QB is hardly the biggest problem on this team. I will admit, in preseason - I hated chad henne... checkdown chad, I was drinking the kyle orton koolaid... but look how that is turning out! Chad Henne has actually won me over in the first 4 games (probably because he is the least of our problems). I hardly believe losing to get Andrew Luck is any Kind of plan... but all you andrew luck hopefulls are in luck, because luckily for you.... we do suck!

When did I say he was the biggest problem on this team? I didn't. He's one of many problems. I know this... We will never win anything with him, yet people still want to defend him with the "QBR" stat...

Look at the more telling statistics like I pointed out earlier. TD/INT too
 
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