Chad Henne vs. Ryan Tannehill: A Scary Thought?

[WVDolphan]

Do you think that represents a difference between Henne and Tannehill's performances? If so, why isn't it reflected in their statistics?

Because football is the ultimate team sports and individual stats are greatly skewed and therefore almost completely worthless when evaluating players at individual positions.

If you want to apply advanced metrics, stick to baseball. The stats are still effected by some team variables, but not nearly as much as in football. For the most part it is batter vs. hitter with some outside variables coming into play.

In football, playing QB, you can put up some decent comp % numbers by checking down almost every play, taking sacks, and basically not having a clue how to advance your team down the field, put it in the endzone, and WIN.

 

[finjim]

You may watch but do you understand what your watching?

Definitely not. That is crystal clear.

 

[shoveyjoe2442]

No I'm just not a homer fan boy who lives in his mom's basement and wears Dolphins PJ's like 75% of this board.

No, you are just an impatient contrarian that has never given Tannehill a chance.

 

[Shouright]

No, you are just an impatient contrarian that has never given Tannehill a chance.

I hope no one here hears me conveying that sort of message.

My point is that we don't yet know what Tannehill is going to be long-term, and that we shouldn't make the same mistake we did with Chad Henne of believing his "franchise" status to be a done deal at this point in his career.

I'm all for giving Ryan Tannehill a chance, and I've seen lots of positives (as well as negatives) in his game to this point. I surely hope he becomes what we all want him to be. :up:

 

[Ruckus45]

Some of these threads are like driving by a car wreak....you say to yourself.."I'm not going to look,I'm not going look,but
all of a sudden...Sh*t,I looked..now I'm stuck with that silly image in my head all day.

I begrudgingly read every page too. Why- well because I'm on the john and need something to do.

 

[shoveyjoe2442]

I hope no one here hears me conveying that sort of message.

My point is that we don't yet know what Tannehill is going to be long-term, and that we shouldn't make the same mistake we did with Chad Henne of believing his "franchise" status to be a done deal at this point in his career.

I'm all for giving Ryan Tannehill a chance, and I've seen lots of positives (as well as negatives) in his game to this point. I surely hope he becomes what we all want him to be. :up:

I wasn't talking to you. I am talking the ones that hate Tannehill for making any mistakes.

 

[Vaark]

I'm just not a homer fan boy who lives in his mom's basement and wears Dolphins PJ's like 75% of this board.

Some relative FH newbies can be brutally critical when warranted yet don't arrive with a Rainma-like agenda to automatically depict half full glasses as 3/4 empty. They quickly distinguish themselves as an additional welcome site "asset"..... then again there are others just become 3/5ths of that :idk:

 

[Tunaphish429]

I think what sets these two apart besides physical aspects is their will. Henne made **** plays and he didn't care. Remember him laughing when he threw a two yard pass to fasano that spun downward to the ground? Fasano was pissed as hell. It would have been a td. Now compare that to Ryan telling Matthews to get the **** off the field. That's the big difference to me.

 

[Shouright]

I think what sets these two apart besides physical aspects is their will. Henne made **** plays and he didn't care. Remember him laughing when he threw a two yard pass to fasano that spun downward to the ground? Fasano was pissed as hell. It would have been a td. Now compare that to Ryan telling Matthews to get the **** off the field. That's the big difference to me.

And that could be true, but then again you could take the person with the greatest will on the face of the planet, and if he had no quarterbacking ability, it wouldn't matter.

In other words, that may be an important trait to some extent, and it may in fact distinguish Tannehill from Henne, but if Tannehill's quarterbacking ability doesn't eventually distinguish him from Henne objectively, it won't matter.

 

[Dr. Phin]

The performance of Henne and Tannehill at this point in their careers is very similar. The problem with Henne, is that he never improved. He stayed at that level. If Tannehill, does the same...he will "go the way of the Henne." That's all there is to it. I think many believe thought that what they are seeing in Tannehill is improvement, which Henne never showed. If so, that should show up in future statistics.

I haven't formed a solid opinion on Tannehill yet, he could still go either way.

 

[Shouright]

The performance of Henne and Tannehill at this point in their careers is very similar. The problem with Henne, is that he never improved. He stayed at that level. If Tannehill, does the same...he will "go the way of the Henne." That's all there is to it. I think many believe though that what they are seeing in Tannehill is improvement, which Henne never showed. If so, that should show up in future statistics.

I haven't formed a solid opinion on Tannehill yet, he could still go either way.

Two things in response to that: 1) At this point in their careers, objectively speaking, both had shown the same amount of improvement (see the stats in the original post); and 2) obviously there are two possibilities for Tannehill, one that his improvement could be part of an upward trajectory in which he improves even more, or two that he's improved as much as he's ever going to, in which case he'll be a mediocre quarterback long-term.

 

[enigmatics]

I hope no one here hears me conveying that sort of message.

My point is that we don't yet know what Tannehill is going to be long-term, and that we shouldn't make the same mistake we did with Chad Henne of believing his "franchise" status to be a done deal at this point in his career.

I'm all for giving Ryan Tannehill a chance, and I've seen lots of positives (as well as negatives) in his game to this point. I surely hope he becomes what we all want him to be. :up:

I gotta give you props Shouright. Your tone and demeanor have been nothing but pleasant this entire thread even though 95% of the comments you've received have been pure vitriol. Guys have been trying to bait you into petty insult-laden arguments left and right. You and I both know that was to be expected on here though.

Keep up the good work bud! We definitely don't know what we have in Tannehill just yet. He's a mixed bag as they usually are at this stage. He had a chance to "climb up the pocket" and into some more legitimacy with a good showing against the Saints and that did not happen. I for one cannot wait for the day we're no longer having this conversation every 2-3 years about a QB on this roster.

 

[enigmatics]

Also, revenge WPA attacks? Really?

Uhhhh that goes on around this site so much it's ridiculous.

 

[CalDolFan10x14]

I gotta give you props Shouright. Your tone and demeanor have been nothing but pleasant this entire thread even though 95% of the comments you've received have been pure vitriol. Guys have been trying to bait you into petty insult-laden arguments left and right. You and I both know that was to be expected on here though.

Keep up the good work bud! We definitely don't know what we have in Tannehill just yet. He's a mixed bag as they usually are at this stage. He had a chance to "climb up the pocket" and into some more legitimacy with a good showing against the Saints and that did not happen. I for one cannot wait for the day we're no longer having this conversation every 2-3 years about a QB on this roster.

Comments are vitriolic because he has no damn idea what he's talking about. He just uses stats to make another worthless argument. Chad Henne vs Ryan Tannehill? Really??? How anyone can defend these comparisons is beyond ridiculous.

 

[jtsacksyou]

You can't just look at the number of interceptions and blame the QB. There's different reasons for them. Henne's were usually boneheaded throws. Tannehill rarely has boneheaded throws. He sometimes misses a throw, or maybe, for instance the corner made a great play on that slant, can't blame tanny for that. In 1 on 1 you trust your receiver to make a play, the other guy made a play. He knows how to read a defense, Henne didn't and that's the biggest difference between those who can and those who can't.