Chad Henne vs. Ryan Tannehill: A Scary Thought?

[Sirspud]

It should be noted that in henne's 1st 4 games the dolphins scored over 30 points in each game. It was a feat that had not been accomplished since the Marino era.

Correlation is not causality, that includes a game where Ted Ginn returned two kickoffs for TD's, a game where Henne completed 50 percent of his passes and threw for no TD's and two picks en route to a collapse, one pretty good game that still saw much of the grunt work done by the wildcat (like the game winning TD), and a game where the rushing yards more than doubled the amount of passing yards, with three TD's coming on the ground, plus a defensive TD. Compared to almost every other 4 game span, dramatically little came from the passing game.

I've already explained in my previous posts the difference between the two and why this limited view is not correct. The offensive output of Tannehill's offense will be significantly higher over a 16 game stretch, and Tannehill is also doing this while getting sporadic production from his running backs and no scoring plays from ST or defense.

 

[Tureo]

what is there to debate? there isn't enough of a sample size to say if tannehill is going to have an Elway career, or a henne career, if we're going purely by stats. this thread is every bit as useful as a premature ejaculation.

I was speaking in general terms. I agree that this thread is not debatable although I'm curious to know how other players are being judged by the same limited sample for example Wallace. I just would like to see topics debated as opposed to someone attacking a poster for being a homer or being a Debbie downer.

 

[Sirspud]

But if Tannehill is accounting for a greater number of TD drives, why isn't that reflected as a difference from Henne in his yardage and YPA?

Because Henne is the best QB I've ever seen at accumulating meaningless yardage that amounts to only 3 points once you get close to the goal line.

 

[Shouright]

I was speaking in general terms. I agree that this thread is not debatable although I'm curious to know how other players are being judged by the same limited sample for example Wallace. I just would like to see topics debated as opposed to someone attacking a poster for being a homer or being a Debbie downer.

I'm afraid that might be difficult, since the people running the forum can't seem to decide whether they want "civility" or attack.

That said, I'm happy with my experience of the forum. :)

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Because Henne is the best QB I've ever seen at accumulating meaningless yardage that amounts to only 3 points once you get close to the goal line.

And once again, why doesn't that show up in the statistics as a difference from Tannehill during the period in question?

You keep talking about these glaring differences, yet they don't play out objectively in the statistics from the period in question.

 

[Gonzo]

Well, I guess he's moving up in the world if the person who said he's the same as Weeden is now saying he's the same as Henne. That person clearly has a clue.


Also, revenge WPA attacks? Really?

 

[Shouright]

Correlation is not causality, that includes a game where Ted Ginn returned two kickoffs for TD's, a game where Henne completed 50 percent of his passes and threw for no TD's and two picks en route to a collapse, one pretty good game that still saw much of the grunt work done by the wildcat (like the game winning TD), and a game where the rushing yards more than doubled the amount of passing yards, with three TD's coming on the ground, plus a defensive TD. Compared to almost every other 4 game span, dramatically little came from the passing game.

I've already explained in my previous posts the difference between the two and why this limited view is not correct. The offensive output of Tannehill's offense will be significantly higher over a 16 game stretch, and Tannehill is also doing this while getting sporadic production from his running backs and no scoring plays from ST or defense.

Yet his statistics are non-significantly different.

 

[Fins1971]

Correlation is not causality, that includes a game where Ted Ginn returned two kickoffs for TD's, a game where Henne completed 50 percent of his passes and threw for no TD's and two picks en route to a collapse, one pretty good game that still saw much of the grunt work done by the wildcat (like the game winning TD), and a game where the rushing yards more than doubled the amount of passing yards, with three TD's coming on the ground, plus a defensive TD. Compared to almost every other 4 game span, dramatically little came from the passing game.

I've already explained in my previous posts the difference between the two and why this limited view is not correct. The offensive output of Tannehill's offense will be significantly higher over a 16 game stretch, and Tannehill is also doing this while getting sporadic production from his running backs and no scoring plays from ST or defense.

Yeah, Henne did have a little help when he 1st came in. I was so excited. Then defenses figured him out and it was all downhill.

 

[SSnowman]

When people talk about the Henne days they also fail to mention the fact that it was a time when both Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown were running well and giving us 1500+ rushing yards in a season. Not to mention Lousaka Polite with his automatic 3rd & 1, 4th & 1 conversions. If the current Dolphins had that type of rushing attack they'd be damn near unstoppable.

 

[LDaniel7]

I almost forgot about that one. :sidelol:

I got banned from another Dolphin fan forum because I STRONGLY disagreed with Boomer whenever he vehemently asserted that Bess was a better WR than Hakim Nicks. Bizarre and mind-blowing. And it precipitated a temporary ban for me. Which I chose never to return from. Just wasn't worth it -- to get that level of football "analysis" and homerific defense of the same. Sometimes you just gotta shake your head, laugh and move on, lol.

And see the humor in it all.

LD

 

[Daman379]

Also Henne has a cannon for an arm!

 

[Chuck-182]

1 bad game...unreal.

My thoughts exactly. People need to calm down.

 

[Birdmond]

Thanks for the input. If there is a next one, I'm sure you will hate him too.

No I'm just not a homer fan boy who lives in his mom's basement and wears Dolphins PJ's like 75% of this board.

 

[2413fanphins]

why dont we do a sample of how henne has progressed in his years (5-6) whatever it is, and see how HE is improving.

(spoiler alert... He's not)


It's easy to see that tannehill is improving. It's easy to see that henne is not. Henne can only hold onto a starting gig with the worst team in the league, when the starter is hurt... think about that.

some folks get way too caught up breaking down statistics, and than further breaking them down to benefit their argument.

Fact of the matter for me is, If you can't see that ryan tannehill is a better qb than chad henne.. you have more issues than I have time to talk about. Does this mean tannehill will be our starter for ten years and win superbowls??? that we don't know.. but he is better than chad henne.

if you wanted to go based solely off stats... I could argue that I am as good as matt barkley, if we base our comparison solely off regular season statistics...

 

[greasyObnoxious]

this thread is still going? good god

 

[WVDolphan]

Um, Henne had four years at Michigan to play QB and show exactly what he was.

I saw the exact same thing on the field from pretty much day one. And told everyone who would listen. I did have some FH experts who disagreed w. me, at first.

And a whole host of "regular fans" who crucified me.

Bottom line: Tanny ain't Henne. The people who think so are the same ones who look at a stat sheet and declare that Devon Bess is a better WR than Megatron.

lol. smh.

LD

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