Chambers, least valuable WR

[Justasportsfan]

You can't look at any score Sunday and say the Bills just flat out beat the Dolphins,. .

yes we can 21-0 :sidelol:

:laughat: :boohoo: "we beat ourselves"


Sore LOSER!

 

[PhinsRock]

As much as I don't love Chambers anymore, tired of his inconsistency, seems he will get his chance next year with Daunte, and either he will turn it around and we win with he and Daunte, or Chambers will be gone for 2008. I'm willing to wait and see.

 

[Justasportsfan]

I mean the fact that they stayed aggressive the entire game, had a good game plan on Defense and Offense; had nothing to do with it right ? While we are scared to death to throw the ball for more than 5 yards, JP was completing 5 passes for 20 or more yards had nothing to do with it..I mean I hate the Bills just as much as the next person, but we lost that game fair and square..

well said. A real football fan. Unlike FTP who can't be in touch with reality.

 

[flintsilver7]

Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, TO, ect. are thrown tons of these. A QB making a good throw is a part of a WRs game, as hard as that is to believe.

Just look at this year.Would you say that Joey Galloway and Randy Moss are #1 recievers? What happened to them this year? Ill give you a hint:
Gradkowski
Walters/Brooks

I posted this before. Guys who were outstanding with good quarterbacks (or even average quarterbacks) suddenly become pedestrian when their quarterback situation becomes bad. Joey Galloway is an excellent example of the "good quarterback / good stats" axiom. Not a gamebreaker when Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter are throwing to him, but when Chris Simms or Brian Griese throw to him (that is, somebody with a QB rating above 80) he has a good year.

It also helps to have some sort of relationship with your quarterback. Chambers is a guy who has had a different quarterback every year - and a different offensive coordinator. If that's not a recipe for killing offense I'm not sure what is.

 

[bluehaze]

I baited you and absolutely knew you were going to post Hines Ward.

If you consider Hines Ward elite then you also must agree Chris Chambers is elite, since Chambers had more yards and the same amount of TDs, with a QBRs of 71.9 and completion percentage of 52 (frerotte) while Sage had a QBR of 81.5 and completion percentage of 55.7.

As a comparison Hines Ward's QBRs were 98.6 and comp % of 63 for Ben, and Maddox didn't have a great QBR the total completion % numbers were significantly higher then Miami QBs (his 4 int's kill his QBR).

If it isn't painfully obvious to you, the catch percentages are closely tied to the QB's accuracy.

Therefore, it is even more painfully obvious Chambers did more last year with less then Hines Ward. And since you said Ward is elite, you must logically conclude Chambers is elite. Your conclusion not mine since I don't consider Hines Ward elite or Chambers elite. Just good solid #1's.

I knew you'd come around bluehaze!:dolphins: Cheers.

Dude, if you can't see the difference between H. Ward 975 Yards with 114 Attempts and 61% completion and
C.Chambers 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts and 49% completion. It certainly explains why you'd think Chambers was an elite reciever.

Look at it this way if H. Ward had been thrown the ball 166 times he would have had 1405 Yards that year.

If Chambers had only been thrown the ball 114 Times he would have had 767 Yards for the season.

You seem to think more Yards automatically makes a reciever better when in fact any reciever could put up 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts that is only 6.7 YPA :eek:

 

[tylerdolphin]

Dude, if you can't see the difference between H. Ward 975 Yards with 114 Attempts and 61% completion and
C.Chambers 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts and 49% completion. It certainly explains why you'd think Chambers was an elite reciever.

Look at it this way if H. Ward had been thrown the ball 166 times he would have had 1405 Yards that year.

If Chambers had only been thrown the ball 114 Times he would have had 767 Yards for the season.

You seem to think more Yards automatically makes a reciever better when in fact any reciever could put up 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts that is only 6.7 YPA :eek:

Did it occur to you that the Steelers have a good young QB and esp. that year, had a great running game? Im sure those two had nothing to do with it.

 

[bluehaze]

Did it occur to you that the Steelers have a good young QB and esp. that year, had a great running game? Im sure those two had nothing to do with it.

Ricky Williams wasn't a good running back?

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Chambers has had his run of bad luck with starting QB's, but that still doesn't excuse his horrible play this year. He can't get open, it's that cut / dry in my opinion. Booker / Welker run better routes, and find the open throwing lanes, Chambers plays like he has an elephant strapped on his back most of the time, and hasn't been able to create enough seperation....

Maybe if we had more time to throw the ball, he could get open more often, and that all lies within the OL's performance. I'm not ready to throw Chambers to the curb, but he needs to start playing harder / more physical as a #1 WR. On top of that, he needs to shut his mouth come the off-season, all of his "Super Bowl" smack talk played a large role in ruining him this year in my opinion. Big mistake there....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

 

[tylerdolphin]

Ricky Williams wasn't a good running back?

Jay/AJ/Lucas/Frerotte was a good QB?

 

[tylerdolphin]

feelthepain, you are making yourself look stupid. The Bills handed us our arse. Might as well admit it.

 

[bluehaze]

Jay/AJ/Lucas/Frerotte was a good QB?

Hard to tell with Chambers catching passes from them. It works both ways. mediocre recievers make mediocre QB's much the same as mediocre QB's make mediocre recievers.

Chambers problem seems to be he expects the ball to hit him perfectly in stride in his hands every time and if it doesn't he hardly ever adjusts for it. He never cuts off a DB's path to the ball when making catches, He runs bad routes. He doesn't come back to the ball, He body catches, He drops an inordinate amount of passes every year and frankly if he was truly an elite reciever then you folks wouldn't need to be making all these excuses for him, his play would speak for itself. Unfortunately his play does speak for itself just not in a positive way.

 

[Fin-Loco]

Chambers sucks. Period. Anyone who hasn't learned that by now is dreaming.

I'm the biggest Dolphins fan. BUT, eventually I even grasp the truth that he sucks. Just as I'm starting to feel that Ronnie Brown was a big reach at #2. I hope I'm proven wrong but I'm starting to wonder.

 

[flintsilver7]

Dude, if you can't see the difference between H. Ward 975 Yards with 114 Attempts and 61% completion and
C.Chambers 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts and 49% completion. It certainly explains why you'd think Chambers was an elite reciever.

Look at it this way if H. Ward had been thrown the ball 166 times he would have had 1405 Yards that year.

If Chambers had only been thrown the ball 114 Times he would have had 767 Yards for the season.

You seem to think more Yards automatically makes a reciever better when in fact any reciever could put up 1118 Yards with 166 Attempts that is only 6.7 YPA :eek:

Good Lord, you don't understand statistics one bit. Hines Ward averaged 14.1 YPC while Chris Chambers averaged 13.6. Considering the fact that Miami quarterbacks averaged 6.2 YPA and a 52.4% completion percentage, that is pretty good. For reference, Pittsburgh quarterbacks averaged a 60.2% completion percentage and 8.2 YPA. I would fully expect Ward to have more yards per catch.

The reason most places add a tens place to the receiver catches is because it's inherently inaccurate - 49% corresponds to 81 catches (Chambers had 82).

 

[tylerdolphin]

Good Lord, you don't understand statistics one bit. Hines Ward averaged 14.1 YPC while Chris Chambers averaged 13.6. Considering the fact that Miami quarterbacks averaged 6.2 YPA and a 52.4% completion percentage, that is pretty good. For reference, Pittsburgh quarterbacks averaged a 60.2% completion percentage and 8.2 YPA. I would fully expect Ward to have more yards per catch.

The reason most places add a tens place to the receiver catches is because it's inherently inaccurate - 49% corresponds to 81 catches (Chambers had 82).

I would like us to trade Chambers for a second rounder, then have him blow up on another team. I admit, I would feel very happy knowing I was right

 

[flintsilver7]

Hard to tell with Chambers catching passes from them. It works both ways. mediocre recievers make mediocre QB's much the same as mediocre QB's make mediocre recievers.

Chambers problem seems to be he expects the ball to hit him perfectly in stride in his hands every time and if it doesn't he hardly ever adjusts for it. He never cuts off a DB's path to the ball when making catches, He runs bad routes. He doesn't come back to the ball, He body catches, He drops an inordinate amount of passes every year and frankly if he was truly an elite reciever then you folks wouldn't need to be making all these excuses for him, his play would speak for itself. Unfortunately his play does speak for itself just not in a positive way.

Receivers dont make quarterbacks. It's the other way around. Most people know that. As for what you list as Chambers' problems, I don't see them as being any different than any other receiver. I've seen him make plenty of circus catches - maybe you watch different games.

You have an irrational hatred of Chambers as well as an inherent misunderstanding of statistics. This is fine, but it is frustrating to those board members with more common sense. Take a look at Roy Williams - with the addition of Jon Kitna, he's done significantly better.