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Chris Chambers WAY Underrated!!

I'm just getting tired of waiting for Chambers "breakout season". Also, making spectacular catches doesn't make you a top flight reciever, Oronde Gadsden had a couple of the best catches I have ever seen but was never close to being one of the best in the league.
 
I can't think of a WR in the NFL who's had a QB as bad a feidler over his entire career, but be as productive, and make as many highlight reel catches as CC has done. Most WR, as talented as they may be, rise and fall with their QB's production. With the exception of maybe couch or Kordell, Jay is as bad a multiple-starting QB there's been in this league recently, and CC still managed to rise above it to some extent.
 
TorontoFin said:
I can't think of a WR in the NFL who's had a QB as bad a feidler over his entire career, but be as productive, and make as many highlight reel catches as CC has done. Most WR, as talented as they may be, rise and fall with their QB's production. With the exception of maybe couch or Kordell, Jay is as bad a multiple-starting QB there's been in this league recently, and CC still managed to rise above it to some extent.

Eric Moulds has had Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Flutie, and Deadslow.
 
CC isnt a top 10 player. He's top 20. He doesn't dominate like T.O. and Moss. It's mainly been b/c of our lousy QB situation ever since he was drafted by Miami.

We need a QB who can get the job he's paid to do done. DO we have him now? :confused:
 
Losman7 said:
Eric Moulds has had Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Flutie, and Deadslow.
hmmmmm...to be honest i cant answer that. Lets just say then Moulds is in the Chambers league. (nearly) ;)
 
LIsten I like chambers and all but......

Hines Ward had Stewart throwing to him
Marty Booker had Miller and Stewart throwing to him
Moss had Cunningham, George and company throwing to him

I can go around the league and show u other WR'S who had equatl QB'S throwing to him.

Face it some of you baby Chambers way too much. It's not the QB'S that have limited him. Sure they didn't help but none of these other WR'S seemed to have a problem.

Remember the truly great players are the ones that get that extra mile themselves. Just ask TO who had noodle arm Garcia throwing to him.

Chambers misses way too many easy catches. He would have 2 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was able to hold on to the easy ones too.

I am not knocking Chambers I think he will one day be a top WR but he has shown nothing yet to prove that he is even close to the top echilon.
 
GRYPHONK said:
LIsten I like chambers and all but......

Hines Ward had Stewart throwing to him
Marty Booker had Miller and Stewart throwing to him
Moss had Cunningham, George and company throwing to him

I can go around the league and show u other WR'S who had equatl QB'S throwing to him.

Face it some of you baby Chambers way too much. It's not the QB'S that have limited him. Sure they didn't help but none of these other WR'S seemed to have a problem.

Remember the truly great players are the ones that get that extra mile themselves. Just ask TO who had noodle arm Garcia throwing to him.

Chambers misses way too many easy catches. He would have 2 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was able to hold on to the easy ones too.

I am not knocking Chambers I think he will one day be a top WR but he has shown nothing yet to prove that he is even close to the top echilon.

So when he does have a great season this fall and hits the 1000yd/ double digit touchdown mark. What will be your theory on why he was able to achieve that goal now as oppose to the last four years.
And I don't think anyone babies C.C., but when forming opinions on the man it would help to look at the totality of the situation. For example Jeff Garcia may not have had the strongest arm, but he played in an offense that allowed for more passing and consequently T.O. (terrible example because of his exceptional skills) was able to showcase his his talent in that particular offense. Javon Walker is probably a better comparison. If you could have placed him on our team last year or two years prior for that matter, would he have broken out like he did in 2004?

Peace........................................
 
Overpoweing has nothing to do with being a great receiver, Chambers could but that's not his game, he uses his speed, balance, incredible leap against DBs. Randall Cunningham, Doug Flutie, etc are better qbs than Fiedler was especially during that time. Randall Cuningham wasn't to bad of a receiver, he wasn't great , but he was pretty good, The Eagles went to the playoffs when he played for him, and they sucked back then.
 
GRYPHONK said:
LIsten I like chambers and all but......

Hines Ward had Stewart throwing to him
Marty Booker had Miller and Stewart throwing to him
Moss had Cunningham, George and company throwing to him

I can go around the league and show u other WR'S who had equatl QB'S throwing to him.

Face it some of you baby Chambers way too much. It's not the QB'S that have limited him. Sure they didn't help but none of these other WR'S seemed to have a problem.

Remember the truly great players are the ones that get that extra mile themselves. Just ask TO who had noodle arm Garcia throwing to him.

Chambers misses way too many easy catches. He would have 2 straight 1000 yard seasons if he was able to hold on to the easy ones too.

I am not knocking Chambers I think he will one day be a top WR but he has shown nothing yet to prove that he is even close to the top echilon.

I've seen Chambers drop some passes, but I think you're exaggerating with the drops.
 
IF, and that may be a BIG if, Feeley can show some improvement and cut down on the mistakes, Chambers has the potential to be a top 10 WR in the league. Of course, it all depends on the performance of our QB. We shall see.......
 
X-FACTOR said:
So when he does have a great season this fall and hits the 1000yd/ double digit touchdown mark. What will be your theory on why he was able to achieve that goal now as oppose to the last four years.
And I don't think anyone babies C.C., but when forming opinions on the man it would help to look at the totality of the situation. For example Jeff Garcia may not have had the strongest arm, but he played in an offense that allowed for more passing and consequently T.O. (terrible example because of his exceptional skills) was able to showcase his his talent in that particular offense. Javon Walker is probably a better comparison. If you could have placed him on our team last year or two years prior for that matter, would he have broken out like he did in 2004?

Peace........................................

Well my post answered your question. The truly great ones make themselves great.

How is TO a terrible example? You stated my point exactly, exceptional skills. That is exactly my point his lack of QBING skills or lack of a truly potent running attack didn't matter.

Chambers it's nothing but excuses from everyone whether it be QB, no RB'S no O-line play blah blah blah.

We keep waiting for him to come out.

Like I said the guy has talent, if he finally gets his 1000 yard season it will be because he finally focuses on the catch rather then the big play which is what I think his problem is.

Yes I believe you could have thrown Walker, Moss, Harrison, TO, Ward, Holt etc... and they would have all gotten a 1000 yards IMO. Dunno about Walker since it was his breakout year.
 
jlfin said:
Name them. Every team does not have one. Very rare to find one that can play with speed and with strength.
Chambers is only 5'10", but weighs 210 so he is not a slightly built WR like Marvin Harrison. Chambers is tough to jam on the line of scrimmage and he has sprinter speed (unlike most of the bigger WR's).
He also is a very good leaper which compensates for his lack of height.
There are good WR's in this league, but not many that have the kind of physical attributes that CC has.

LOL!!!!
Colts-Marvin Harrison, Brandon Stoakley, Reggie Wayne
Carolina-Muhammad
Saints-Joe Horn
GB- Javon Walker, Drive
ST LOUIS- Holt and Bruce
Cinncy- Chad Johnson
KC- Tony Gonzalez, Kennison
TENN- Bennett, Mason
Philly- Owens
Seattle- Jackson
TB- Clayon
Jax- Smith
Denver- Smith, Lelie
Houston- Johson
Buffalo- Moulds
Minny- Burleson
Oakland- Porter
Jets- Moss
Cleveland- Johnson
SD- McCardell
Giants- Toomer
Redskins- Gardner
Atlanta- Price
Arizona- Boldin
49ers- Conway

Everyone of those team have a 1000 yarD WR from last year on their team or they have aplayer who has had 1 or multiple 1000 yard seasons.

There are your example of good WR'S. Many had horrible or bad or average QB play.

So go on continue to pamper and baby and make excuses for Chambers.

The fact is simple. He has talent and potential. But he is the one holding himself back not anything else.

Like I said if he focuses more on the catch on the easy plays you will see an amazing WR for our team.



Ahh, I see I misread your post. Sorry. You are using his physical attributes as your point. Well quite frankly I could care less. I don't care about attributes, talent or potential. He is either producing or he isn't and right now he is producing mediocrely.
 
By the way only the Lions and 1 other team don't have a 1000 yard receiver.

That means statistically atleast 27 other teams have a better receiver then Chambers.

Theoretically having Chambers ranked in the mid 20's therefor makes sense due to his history and #'s.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Well my post answered your question. The truly great ones make themselves great.

How is TO a terrible example? You stated my point exactly, exceptional skills. That is exactly my point his lack of QBING skills or lack of a truly potent running attack didn't matter.

Chambers it's nothing but excuses from everyone whether it be QB, no RB'S no O-line play blah blah blah.

We keep waiting for him to come out.

Like I said the guy has talent, if he finally gets his 1000 yard season it will be because he finally focuses on the catch rather then the big play which is what I think his problem is.

Yes I believe you could have thrown Walker, Moss, Harrison, TO, Ward, Holt etc... and they would have all gotten a 1000 yards IMO. Dunno about Walker since it was his breakout year.

what are you talking about, Jeff Garcia is a better qb than Fiedler, I think he went to the probowl one year, and they did have a running back for quite awhile until recently. Remember Garrison Hearst? he was a good running back and he played well for them, I'm tired of this bickering about Chambers, if he doesn't do it this year then I will say that he has underachieved, but the jury is still out, he will finally have a legit chance this year to get the ball, Chambers needs a guy that can throw the ball, Fiedler could never throw the ball, he was leader, but you have to have the ability. Feeley and Frerotte can both throw the ball better than Fiedler, Feeley definitly has a stronger arm, A bomb thrown by fiedler always seems woobly, and they looked so light, you would never really see Fiedler throw or get the ball in a tight space because he didn;t have the arm strength or accuracy to get it there. Feelye biggestn problem is mental, not physical, whic is not good, but Fiedler wasn't any better in teh mental aspect either. Regardless thoug, in a fantasy stand point Chambers has a better chance of having bigger numbers with Feeley or Frerrote, because they can get the ball to the receivers in more various ways than Fiedler. Fiedler might make a deep pass, every now and then, but he has thrown some "ducks" in the air. I've always noticed how Fiedler's throws were like feather passes, not much velecity to the throws, you obviously don't want to put too much mustard on the ball, but you want to get the ball to the receiver in stride, and to him as quick as you can so by the time the reciver catches the ball he can try running with it, or to at least prevent a Db to have time to react and get in front of the ball and intercept the pass. Garcia is more accurate than Fielder, and could throw on the run well also. I've seen a billion of these threads now, why don't we wait unitl this season starts before we say all this, enough is enough. I'm enjoying my summer, but this talk just makes me want the season to start now, so that you doubters can be proved wrong, I'm holding judgemnet on Chambers until the 2005 season ends, I believe he will breakout because he will have his best chance to succeed, and if he doesn't then it will allow to really judge without the other stuff. I for one think he will breakout this year.
 
GRYPHONK said:
LOL!!!!
Colts-Marvin Harrison, Brandon Stoakley, Reggie Wayne
Carolina-Muhammad
Saints-Joe Horn
GB- Javon Walker, Drive
ST LOUIS- Holt and Bruce
Cinncy- Chad Johnson
KC- Tony Gonzalez, Kennison
TENN- Bennett, Mason
Philly- Owens
Seattle- Jackson
TB- Clayon
Jax- Smith
Denver- Smith, Lelie
Houston- Johson
Buffalo- Moulds
Minny- Burleson
Oakland- Porter
Jets- Moss
Cleveland- Johnson
SD- McCardell
Giants- Toomer
Redskins- Gardner
Atlanta- Price
Arizona- Boldin
49ers- Conway

Everyone of those team have a 1000 yarD WR from last year on their team or they have aplayer who has had 1 or multiple 1000 yard seasons.

There are your example of good WR'S. Many had horrible or bad or average QB play.

So go on continue to pamper and baby and make excuses for Chambers.

The fact is simple. He has talent and potential. But he is the one holding himself back not anything else.

Like I said if he focuses more on the catch on the easy plays you will see an amazing WR for our team.



Ahh, I see I misread your post. Sorry. You are using his physical attributes as your point. Well quite frankly I could care less. I don't care about attributes, talent or potential. He is either producing or he isn't and right now he is producing mediocrely.

Oh yeah, rod Gardner is really better than Chambers, come on now
:shakeno:
 
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