Colts give Jonathan Taylor permission to be Traded

[Rm1369]

Then why the **** would he care that Dolphins fans trash Colts management? I live in Indiana. Literally everyone except absolute Irsay family members think that Colts management mishandles personnel on a common basis.

Yeah I apparently engaged with the wrong people. I was hoping to have a legit conversation about the situation. If you prefer to dog other teams irrationally go right ahead. Hell - I’ll help. Fins are going to win the next 10 SBs and every other team is trash. Rah, rah - go Fins. That better?

Anyone want to talk anything logical about the situation or discuss JT as a player, let me know. Otherwise I’m done here. There is no point.

 

[brumdog44]

The only way the Colts could use NFI for the mysterious back injury is if they have proof he has one OR JT reported one. It’s easy to believe the team is stupid. They aren’t that stupid. So either the report was false or

So an anonymous report from a staffer? I keep looking where Ballard or Irsay said it? I know it was reported, attributed to no one. Do you believe the speculation JT had stem cell therapy on his ankle? Or do you think that’s false.

And why the hell would the team refuse to pay JT AND not want to trade him? Irsay has said repeatedly he wants JT on this team. Irsay has his own personal demons but he has treated players well - especially those drafted by the team. Your take is completely illogical and is based on a statement by who? It sure as hell wasn’t Irsay. If JT holds out, he doesn’t get paid. If he’s faking an injury he’s a liar and I hope they do let him rot. If he’s legit injured then most of this is moot and Irsay has never tried to keep from paying an injured player like that. He let luck keep $20m in bonus money the team could have required he pay back.

Oh...my....God...you live in Indiana and believe Jim Irsay is a guy who treats players well?

July 26th: Irsay tweets that "NFL (r)unning (b)ack situation - We have negotiated a CBA, that took years of effort and hard work and compromise in good faith by both sides, To say now that a specific (p)layer category wants another negotiation after the fact, is inappropriate. Some (a)gents are selling 'bad faith.'"

July 27th: He tells Stephen Holder -- yes, the exact same Stephen Holder that said the Colts were considering putting Taylor on a NFI list -- that his comments "weren't really directed at Taylor" (which is an obvious lie).

July 30th: Holder reports Indianapolis is considering putting Taylor on the NFI. At minimum that's a thought balloon that Colts management and Irsay wanted out there. That isn't something that some random staffer throws out there.

 

[E30M3]

Yeah I apparently engaged with the wrong people. I was hoping to have a legit conversation about the situation. If you prefer to dog other teams irrationally go right ahead. Hell - I’ll help. Fins are going to win the next 10 SBs and every other team is trash. Rah, rah - go Fins. That better?

Anyone want to talk anything logical about the situation or discuss JT as a player, let me know. Otherwise I’m done here. There is no point.

 

[brumdog44]

I said I’m a colts fan. I like going to other teams forums and having legit football conversations. Unfortunately that does lead to conversations with guys like you who want to bad mouth any team but your own. I’ve not said one thing about the Fins except if healthy JT would be a great fit with your other skill position players. Your take is simply ridiculous and illogical. And it’s based on one report of a supposedly anonymous statement by a Colts staffer. Your take it as gospel and believe JTs comments 100%. Would you if JT was a FIn?

The idea the team made up a back injury out of thin air AND believe they could use it to not pay JT is ridiculous. It’s grade school level ****. And Irsay has absolutely no history of doing anything similar. Irsay is a lot of things - cheap isn’t one of them.

'ridiculous and illogical'
'grade level ****'

Yeah, great conversations you bring, questioning anything that goes against your MO with what is truly 'grade level ****' responses that you accuse others of.

 

[Jssanto]

Percy Havin in 2013 for Seattle? Huh?

Nice fact check.
Point May still be correct, but nice job

 

[GatorFin73]

Outside of QB the same can be said about any positional player stuck on a team that's not good enough. How far did we get with Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor? How far did Calvin Johnson take the Lions? Maybe having a top 5 HB isn't needed to win but it also doesn't hurt especially if you don't have a HOF level QB. There's no way to know if the teams that lost in the SB wouldn't have won if they had a top 5 HB. Maybe Derrick Henry on the Bengals or Eagles changes their fortunes during those Super Bowl runs. Adding an elite player at any position to your team is always going to be more good than bad.

You sir are not only quite hilarious and witty but making altogether too much sense here. No 20 year list of centers and inside linebackers who won the SB and how we don’t need good ones because they weren’t great for those HOF QB teams.

 

[brumdog44]

Yeah I apparently engaged with the wrong people. I was hoping to have a legit conversation about the situation. If you prefer to dog other teams irrationally go right ahead. Hell - I’ll help. Fins are going to win the next 10 SBs and every other team is trash. Rah, rah - go Fins. That better?

Anyone want to talk anything logical about the situation or discuss JT as a player, let me know. Otherwise I’m done here. There is no point.

While you are leaving, don't forget to take your ad hominems with you.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

 

[dreamblk]

Stop using Chat GPT for actual data.

 

[brumdog44]

I think a better way to say this is that for the last 20 or so years, teams haven’t won the Superbowl with regular season offenses that were predicated around the running game. If JT were to come here, I doubt the Dolphins recipe for success would be to have Taylor be an 1500 yard a year rusher.

I would guess, in order, that in order from most important to least important to winning a super bowl would be:
1. Passing offense
2. Passing defense
3. Rushing defense
4. Rushing offense

Obviously it's not just that simple and it's a gut feeling and not raw data. But it could also be argued that in terms of running the ball, the #1 factor is the offensive line play followed by your running backs. And in some cases, quarterbacks have been more important to the run game than the backs.

 

[Rm1369]

July 26th: Irsay tweets that "NFL (r)unning (b)ack situation - We have negotiated a CBA, that took years of effort and hard work and compromise in good faith by both sides, To say now that a specific (p)layer category wants another negotiation after the fact, is inappropriate. Some (a)gents are selling 'bad faith.'"

July 27th: He tells Stephen Holder -- yes, the exact same Stephen Holder that said the Colts were considering putting Taylor on a NFI list -- that his comments "weren't really directed at Taylor" (which is an obvious lie).

July 30th: Holder reports Indianapolis is considering putting Taylor on the NFI. At minimum that's a thought balloon that Colts management and Irsay wanted out there. That isn't something that some random staffer throws out there.

Yes I do.

So do you believe that there should be an exception in the CBA for running backs? Was what Irsay said wrong?

Irsay has a great relationship with a lot of his former players. He’s relished giving out large contracts. There are certainly things I don’t like about the guy, but treatment of players isn’t one.

Again, what was Holders source? Do you also believe JT got stem cell treatment? You certainly believe JT saying he doesn’t have back issues. So do you believe JT is injured or not?

 

[Rm1369]

'ridiculous and illogical'
'grade level ****'

Yeah, great conversations you bring, questioning anything that goes against your MO with what is truly 'grade level ****' responses that you accuse others of.

If the colts made up a back injury out of thin air and hoped to get out of paying JT then yes that is grade level ****. I don’t believe that to be true. You do. And yes I believe a team trying to not pay their best offensive player 4 million by making up an injury out of thin - damaging the relationship and his trade value - to be a ridiculous take. If I came here suggesting the Fins did so you would rightly tell me the same.

 

[Tiger]

I think the main point is that one guy(except Qb and maybe Aaron Donald) doesn't move the needle alot, RB being one of the least arrow movers- league is past having the RB be the star. I do agree adding talent is adding talent, but lets not pretend that if we get Taylor he's gonna get the money. Long term I think it's too much of a headache and will cost way too much(picks/players and then money) for 2 years if taylor would accept the franchise tag.

a top 15 rookie RB is the best scenario and happens pretty frequently- depending on Achanes touches I think he's a great enough addition to make the RB room impactful.

Achane looks nowhere near being ready to make a consistent impact for us. Outside of that we have Mostert, Wilson and Ahmed. I don’t have a whole lot of faith in all of those dudes staying healthy. We’re at the point right now where we kinda need to say F the future and push all our chips to the center of the table. We’ll figure out the money later, try to win now.

 

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[keller377]

Actually less than PA. My Dad lives in a river border town and drives over the bridge to NJ because the gas is so much cheaper and they pump it for you. It's always been that way since I was a youngin'...

This reminds me of the people that spend most of their "savings" while they are in line idling at Costco. Maybe the math actually works out for your pops, but at least he gets an attendant out of it.