Could this career adversity actually be good for Tua next season?

[Tua808]

Not to worry, his dad will set him straight if he gets down.

 

[Feverdream]

Not saying it will for him, but it has for some of our greats. Some might have been great but not to the level they were if not for them being doubted or overlooked which created that chip. Like I said about Aaron Rodgers, he didn't like it of course, but he said looking back. He felt it was the best thing to happen to him. Yes it helped for him to learn and take time under Favre, but he said it humbled him and most likely took away any complacency being a top pick can do to a player. It probably pissed him off and fueled more of a fire than top 5 players and picked that way, where things are handed to them and sometimes takes away that feeling that they have to prove themselves. I mean there's a reason from the physical stand point that Brady was pick 199, but Brady has maintained his greatness because despite his superbowls. He still remembers and feels he has something to prove despite his success.

The talent has to be there but that has just as much to do with his greatness. I'm not so sure Brady would be the goat if he was a first rd pick, because he might not have had that fire that pushed him to be the goat. Steve Smith, a third rd WR, looked as only to a special team player in nfl. You see the way he played he never forgot the doubts scouts had on him because of his height and maybe school he played for. And all the way up to this retirement even with all the receiving yards he played hard, despite being a very good WR in the league for years. He was still playing like he was trying to make the roster even though he already proved that he's a very good WR.

I've often said that Tua has had it much too easy throughout his career... he's never been on a bad team, or a team that didn't have superior weapons than the team he was playing... and I believe this caused him to lock up.

His receivers weren't Alabama open... and he just couldn't break that block... He locked up and checked down.

But now he has several months to overcome that block and we'll try to find him some weapons that will help, but some of it is going to have to come from inside the kid... and I worry that he might be too good natured for his own good.

 

[cltchperf]

I've often said that Tua has had it much too easy throughout his career... he's never been on a bad team, or a team that didn't have superior weapons than the team he was playing... and I believe this caused him to lock up.

His receivers weren't Alabama open... and he just couldn't break that block... He locked up and checked down.

But now he has several months to overcome that block and we'll try to find him some weapons that will help, but some of it is going to have to come from inside the kid... and I worry that he might be too good natured for his own good.

Yeah and that's why I think this can be good for him. He had things all nicely set up for him. Sometimes shake up and struggle makes you stronger. I worry he might be too good natured but that might not necessarily mean he can't separate that from how he is on the field. Some can't separate and are aggressive on the field but unfortunately carry that off the field. And others may be too good natured off the field and maybe are soft on the field. But tha'ts not always true. Like I said, I know it's not the qb position, but Steelers Safety Troy Polamalu, I believe has been said to be quiet, soft spoken, humble, and reserved off the field. If you never knew he was a footbally player, you'd probably not guess he was a beast on the football field. So his demeanor and good nature never affected from him turning on the switch on the field and being the hall of fame safety he is. We shall see, but this might be something good for Tua if channels it right

 

[Feverdream]

Yeah and that's why I think this can be good for him. He had things all nicely set up for him. Sometimes shake up and struggle makes you stronger. I worry he might be too good natured but that might not necessarily mean he can't separate that from how he is on the field. Some can't separate and are aggressive on the field but unfortunately carry that off the field. And others may be too good natured off the field and maybe are soft on the field. But tha'ts not always true. Like I said, I know it's not the qb position, but Steelers Safety Troy Polamalu, I believe has been said to be quiet, soft spoken, humble, and reserved off the field. If you never knew he was a footbally player, you'd probably not guess he was a beast on the football field. So his demeanor and good nature never affected from him turning on the switch on the field and being the hall of fame safety he is. We shall see, but this might be something good for Tua if channels it right

He's a good kid. I didn't want to draft him, but he is easy to root for.

 

[foozool13]

The trade stuff, draft stuff, the national opinions, these things I don’t think matter to him. He seems like a very level headed kid and very secure with himself.

Now, I think the stuff where his teammates spoke against him anonymously has got to hurt. Those are supposed to be your boys, the guys you go to war with on Sundays. I can’t help but feel like he’s going to walk in that locker room and looked around and wonder who it was. That’s gotta be a shitty feeling to feel betrayed like that.

I bet you Flores is probably furious about it too. Would not surprise me to see that/those players get traded or cut if he ever finds out who it was.

 

[Feverdream]

The trade stuff, draft stuff, the national opinions, these things I don’t think matter to him. He seems like a very level headed kid and very secure with himself.

Now, I think the stuff where his teammates spoke against him anonymously has got to hurt. Those are supposed to be your boys, the guys you go to war with on Sundays. I can’t help but feel like he’s going to walk in that locker room and looked around and wonder who it was. That’s gotta be a ****ty feeling to feel betrayed like that.

I bet you Flores is probably furious about it too. Would not surprise me to see that/those player get traded or cut if he ever finds out who it was.

The fact that a few of them thought Fitz gave them a better chance to win...

Is that disloyalty?

 

[foozool13]

The fact that a few of them thought Fitz gave them a better chance to win...

Is that disloyalty?

It’s fine to have an opinion about it, but I think coming out publicly and saying it yes. Especially if you are going to be a bitch and do it anonymously.

These guys are supposed to be a team and look out for each other. These decisions are made by the coaches not Fitz or Tua. Blasting in public only makes the team look bad. I can’t think of one single benefit of saying those things publicly. I think it’s disloyal to the coaches and team.

 

[Feverdream]

It’s fine to have an opinion about it, but I think coming out publicly and saying it yes. Especially if you are going to be a bitch and do it anonymously. These guys are supposed to be a team and look out for each other. These decisions are made by the coaches not Fitz or Tua. Blasting in public only makes the team look bad. I can’t think of one single benefit of saying those things publicly. I think it’s disloyal to the coaches and team.

Free speech?

The right to have an opinion that differs from company line?

I understand where you are coming from, but I think sports teams take this stuff way too far sometimes. It seems as if players are expected to say whatever they are told to say, and to not think for themselves... and as a complete nonconformist myself... I've always struggled with that.

 

[foozool13]

Free speech?

The right to have an opinion that differs from company line?

I understand where you are coming from, but I think sports teams take this stuff way too far sometimes. It seems as if players are expected to say whatever they are told to say, and to not think for themselves... and as a complete nonconformist myself... I've always struggled with that.

It wasn’t just saying they thought Fitz gave them a better chance. Someone actually questioned Tua’s ability and skills publicly.

And again, I just don’t like that’s it was aired out publicly. That’s my biggest issue with it all, not that they had an opinion.

Free Speech? Sure, but if you are going to tell me you have the rights to say these things, then at least stand behind your words like a man and don’t do it anonymously.

 

[Feverdream]

It wasn’t just saying they thought Fitz gave them a better chance. Someone actually questioned Tua’s ability and skills publicly.

And again, I just don’t like that’s it was aired out publicly. That’s my biggest issue with it all, not that they had an opinion.

Free Speech? Sure, but if you are going to tell me you have the rights to say these things, then at least stand behind your words like a man and don’t do it anonymously.

Well... This is a slippery slope, because we don't even know if it is true, which is always the case when there are unnamed sources... maybe the sources were unnamed because they don't exist... or maybe they are unnamed because a member of the press overheard a private conversation... we just don't know, so I'm a bit slower to take this seriously than most.

I understand that the team deserves a certain amount of loyalty, but without knowing how this story broke, I'm uncertain that anyone really did anything wrong... ya know?

 

[foozool13]

Well... This is a slippery slope, because we don't even know if it is true, which is always the case when there are unnamed sources... maybe the sources were unnamed because they don't exist... or maybe they are unnamed because a member of the press overheard a private conversation... we just don't know, so I'm a bit slower to take this seriously than most.

I understand that the team deserves a certain amount of loyalty, but without knowing how this story broke, I'm uncertain that anyone really did anything wrong... ya know?

The story came from Armando and his anonymous sources. I know a lot of people don’t really like him, but I think to say he’s lying and risking his career after providing actual quotes is probably less likely vs someone actually saying those things.

Look, I’m not even arguing that Tua was not good. He look timid, indecisive, and just not physically gifted enough. Can Tua improve? Sure, but he’s clearly got a long way to go. Hell, I want us to explore the Watson trade. I think we would be stupid if we didn’t at least try. But don’t blast teammates in public. Nothing good can come from that.

 

[BlueFin]

I haven't really followed Tua much but heard he's gone through adversity in his life so that's not new. But career adversity can be separate. He's a top 5 pick and that's great but even if you're a hard worker and leader, maybe sometimes not being touted or a struggle can help. I know he had his hip injury and with that adversity couldn't wait to get back to how he was in college. However, I think he might've been hindered or felt a little hindered without a full training camp or strength training to get back to the form he wanted. With another year to heal, it might help him to bring out that ability more and to obviously learn the game going back to training.

So pair that along with, now you have everywhere the doubts from anonymous players, analysts. Some saying how Tua's a bust, not only has Herbert done better but he's so much more talented, and the pile on. To me, even though I wish things went smoother even though I liked a few games he had there were als struggles of course. However, just seeing from the outside and not being a player, I see these doubts everywhere and I'm like screw these dudes ha and it's not even toward me. So ironically, I feel this could potentially be a good thing or atleast we can really see what Tua's mettle is.

It may suck for a player but sometimes it can be beneficial for some players to get knocked down. I don't say this because Tua's ****y as I believe he's a nice dude and humble. But these situations can fuel a hard work that's already there and perhaps take that huge drive there already and turbo boost it. Does he have it in him? who knows but who knows that it might fuel a fire or chip on his shoulder to kick into gear that talent that made him a top 5 pick. I don't believe it's necessarily what a person is born with, and it doesn't have to be early in life either. Sometimes slights and doubts later on can fuel stuff. I loved the last dance, but it wasn't just not making the highschool basketball team for Jordan, but Jordan even admitting his older brother beating him at basketball when he was young is what fuel michael to be so crazy competitive. If michael's brother wasn't like that, who knows if jordan would have had that fire that made him the goat. We all know about Tom Brady. But Aaron Rodgers always had a ton of talent, but I think he had skills that needed to be polished in the pros.

But I do wonder if Aaron Rodgers would be the bad man he is if he was picked top 5 like projected instead of fall to no 24 and be humbled and stoke a fire he might not have had before. He was the top dog in college and projected top 5 the whole time and then the drop happened. Marino was superb in talent, and he didn't really have to study like Peyton as it seemed like Marino had a gift of seeing the field like few qbs did. But I can't help feeling an extra fire might've came too for marino going all the way down to no 27. I'm not saying Tua will be great, but some of your best of all time were either overlooked or dropped down and they took that and never let go of that fire. Obviously a player has to have the ability and doesn't work for other players. I mean it goes on, Steve Smith, etc. Just because Tua is a nice dude doesn't mean he can't separate that and be a beast on the field. Troy Polumalu is one of the more soft spoken, humble players, yet he was an absolute beast once he stepped on field. If there's a situation that could activate a mamba mentality in Tua this is it now.

Many rookie qbs that turn out good or great in their career have a not so great rookie season. But despite that, I haven't seen a rookie qb which Tua's td and int ratio was better than a good many of rookie qbs that ended up being good or for his rookie season to have that he had. For fans and many sources just feel he's a bust or the wrong pick when other rookie qbs didn't get that and it's mainly because Tua got drafted and compared to two other qbs who did well. Previous one's got that pass because they didn't get compared or guys next to them to get compared to like Tua has been. Sometimes it's a distraction and maybe some shouldn't pay attention to the doubts, but other times the great one's make use of the doubts and makes them better.

I believe Rodgers and Marino succeed wherever they get picked...their arm talent was that rare.

I’m not convinced Tua is in that same conversation.....

 

[EasyRider]

Adversity is one thing I’m not worried about when it comes to Tua. This was a crazy first year and he handled it like a pro. He has too many good intangibles to fail in this league. Will he be a superstar? That’s something we can discuss around year four or five

 

[Birdmond]

He’ll get much stronger physically and that’s really all that matters. Tua looked like one of the weakest QB’s in the league last year. Given what he went through that’s understandable.

 

[Gsmack_42]

Adversity is one thing I’m not worried about when it comes to Tua. This was a crazy first year and he handled it like a pro. He has too many good intangibles to fail in this league. Will he be a superstar? That’s something we can discuss around year four or five

Season four or five I’d be happy if some fans and media gave the kid more than four to five games before calling him a bust.