Coyle trying to inject emotion and enthusiasm into defense

[Spesh]

yeah let's all have a pete carroll like coach and he can bolt before sanctions hit for how he goes about things like he did usc for the nfl...screw pete carroll he's a piece of ****

"i didn't know reggie bush was riding around campus in a new bentley"

MY ASS PETE...sometimes the worst guys finish first...too often unfortunately

If he brought the Lombardi trophy back to the Dolphins he could be plotting the militant coup d'etat of the NFL and i wouldnt care.

I'll take a winning bastard over a nice guy loser any day of the week. Philbin has made it a focus to play morality police with this roster(poorly i might add, but thats beside the point), yet he remains 15-17.

 

[hoops]

If he brought the Lombardi trophy back to the Dolphins he could be plotting the militant coup d'etat of the NFL and i wouldnt care.

I'll take a winning bastard over a nice guy loser any day of the week. Philbin has made it a focus to play morality police with this roster(poorly i might add, but thats beside the point), yet he remains 15-17.

you can blame your former gm for your record the last 2 years...all of our issues have been personnel related of late...

 

[where's th'fish]

Fans are always blaming the personality of coaches for the team's problems. Sparano was too emotional (except when we went to the playoffs, it was cool then) and Philbin is too cold.

This isn't a beauty pageant, people. Coaches fail or succeed because of their ability or inability to coach, not because they have a nice personality. Jim Turner didn't fail because he was too insensitive, Nick Saban didn't fail because he was a dick, and Wannested didn't fail because he had a porn mustache or because he simply cared too much.

 

[Daytona Fin]

I'm not worried about Philbin's dull mannerisms or his cerebral approach. I think it should somewhat be on the coordinators and asst. coaches to breed the emotion into their players. Besides, Mr. personality never has a problem getting his players prepared for games , so why can't Philbin have a similar approach?

 

[Fin Thirteen]

The fire and passion of the game oozes out of every pore of Bill Belichick's wrinkled ol mug. He might be taciturn and cerebral, but you can feel the fire in the belly.

I never said a winning coach was one who rants and raves. But players should want to play for him, should want to try harder because he is the coach. That isn't all to do with communication (tho a lot is). It's pedigree. It's projecting as an alpha male. It's making good decisions most of the time. Philbin makes players want to have tidy lockers, but want to dig deep to win the last two games and hit the playoffs for the first time in years??? Not so much.

Like I say, he can still be a good head coach, he just needs to compensate for that with his coordinators and the player choices.

 

[Digital]

I remember years ago when we drafted Brian Cox. He brought an immediate fire to the team. In one game, an opposing player did something, cheap shot or something, I think actually one of our guys was hit out of bounds,...and Brian went over and took on the entire bench of the opposing team. He didn't care if he was outnumbered, he didn't care if he was just one guy and it didn't make a difference, what mattered was that he didn't give up and he stood up for his team and showed some spunk. He was wrong plenty of times, but he brought an element that was lacking on our team at the time.

Bryan Cox was a great personality. I remember when he did that ... and do you know who it was that got cheap shotted?

The punter (or kicker, I can't recall which one). Most players don't even consider them football players or a part of the team. But Bryan Cox went to war. If you messed with anyone wearing a Dolphin uniform, you insulted Cox personally.

He flew from the sideline almost the length of the field sprinting just to have the special teamer's back. That was one of my proudest moments as a Dolphin fan, because Bryan Cox was fiercely loyal and I made me feel exactly the same way.

I can't say that I was too upset either when he double birdied the Bills in Buffalo.

I agree that our team could use a dose of that on both sides of the ball. I like Philbin, but he definitely has a Tom Landry professional attitude about him.

Sent from my phone, so please forgive any typos.

 

[Spesh]

you can blame your former gm for your record the last 2 years...all of our issues have been personnel related of late...

So the fans, now Ireland...im surprised no one has blamed the media yet. Personally, im putting the blame on Obama. Somehow he's neck deep in this.

Great coaches elevate the talent on their roster. Just because Ireland was atrocious doesnt absolve Philbin of his own incompetence. Im far, far more alarmed by the decisions Philbin has made during the offseason than during the regular season(not that i was overly impressed there, getting swept by the Bills is inexcusable). Fighting tooth and nail to keep Sherman, continuing to pay Turner, telling potential GM's he might bench Tannehill...just absurd. Completely and utterly absurd.

Regardless, thats all beside the point. We have one coach demanding a certain type of behavior and another coach demanding a different type of behavior. Its a direct conflict. As the unnamed player suggested, im not at all surprised that the team has adopted Philbin's attitude: he made it his mission for the roster to behave that way. Now Coyle wants it to change while Philbin hovers in the background. Its possible Philbin learned to loosen up and the team starts breathing fire on opponents next year, but the far more likely scenario is our players ignore Coyle's attempts so they do not incur Philbin's punishments.

 

[Akkilees]

The people who said Philbin's tax accountant demeanour and his upinspiring way of addressing the team/media were irrelevant, should read the comment attributed to the Dolphins player about them taking on his personality.

Eh, Tony Sporano's fist pumping style didn't help the team either.

 

[Spesh]

Fans are always blaming the personality of coaches for the team's problems. Sparano was too emotional (except when we went to the playoffs, it was cool then) and Philbin is too cold.

This isn't a beauty pageant, people. Coaches fail or succeed because of their ability or inability to coach, not because they have a nice personality. Jim Turner didn't fail because he was too insensitive, Nick Saban didn't fail because he was a dick, and Wannested didn't fail because he had a porn mustache or because he simply cared too much.

As long as your winning, players will follow. You cant get more wildly divergent personalities than Bill Parcells and Tony Dungy, yet they both were successful. I recall people demanding Chad Henne get more fired up, i never agreed with it because the other players would sniff out a false act. Henne should have been himself and as long as he turned into a franchise quarterback other players would flock to him. That it never happened didnt change my opinion on players and coaches personalities.

The issue isnt how Philbin behaves, its how he treats the players behavior. Coyle wants our players to play loose and emotional football on a team that punishes players for voicing their opinion. The odds are stacked against that working. Philbin wanted everyone to toe the line. He got his wish(sort of). But that means he has a team that actually toes the line(again: sort of). "Be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.

 

[TheWalrus]

Fans are always blaming the personality of coaches for the team's problems. Sparano was too emotional (except when we went to the playoffs, it was cool then) and Philbin is too cold.

This isn't a beauty pageant, people. Coaches fail or succeed because of their ability or inability to coach, not because they have a nice personality. Jim Turner didn't fail because he was too insensitive, Nick Saban didn't fail because he was a dick, and Wannested didn't fail because he had a porn mustache or because he simply cared too much.

Actually I agree with this. A coach's style is a means to an end, not an end unto itself. I don't think players respect yelling (or the lack thereof). They respect competence and consistency.

That said I think all the evidence to date would suggest Philbin is a mediocrity of a head coach.

 

[psfign]

So the fans, now Ireland...im surprised no one has blamed the media yet. Personally, im putting the blame on Obama. Somehow he's neck deep in this.

Great coaches elevate the talent on their roster. Just because Ireland was atrocious doesnt absolve Philbin of his own incompetence. Im far, far more alarmed by the decisions Philbin has made during the offseason than during the regular season(not that i was overly impressed there, getting swept by the Bills is inexcusable). Fighting tooth and nail to keep Sherman, continuing to pay Turner, telling potential GM's he might bench Tannehill...just absurd. Completely and utterly absurd.

Regardless, thats all beside the point. We have one coach demanding a certain type of behavior and another coach demanding a different type of behavior. Its a direct conflict. As the unnamed player suggested, im not at all surprised that the team has adopted Philbin's attitude: he made it his mission for the roster to behave that way. Now Coyle wants it to change while Philbin hovers in the background. Its possible Philbin learned to loosen up and the team starts breathing fire on opponents next year, but the far more likely scenario is our players ignore Coyle's attempts so they do not incur Philbin's punishments.

Where are you getting those accusations from? Any links to support those claims or is that more FH speculation? I see so many posts of people claiming 'Ireland does this' or 'Philbin does this' solely based on assumptions.

 

[HoneyB]

Bryan Cox was a great personality. I remember when he did that ... and do you know who it was that got cheap shotted?

The punter (or kicker, I can't recall which one). Most players don't even consider them football players or a part of the team. But Bryan Cox went to war. If you messed with anyone wearing a Dolphin uniform, you insulted Cox personally.

He flew from the sideline almost the length of the field sprinting just to have the special teamer's back. That was one of my proudest moments as a Dolphin fan, because Bryan Cox was fiercely loyal and I made me feel exactly the same way.

I can't say that I was too upset either when he double birdied the Bills in Buffalo.

I agree that our team could use a dose of that on both sides of the ball. I like Philbin, but he definitely has a Tom Landry professional attitude about him.

Sent from my phone, so please forgive any typos.

OMG I'm so glad you remembered that. Yes, it stuck in my mind too and it was like a watershed moment. You can just feel when something changes.

 

[joeharley666]

I remember years ago when we drafted Brian Cox. He brought an immediate fire to the team. In one game, an opposing player did something, cheap shot or something, I think actually one of our guys was hit out of bounds,...and Brian went over and took on the entire bench of the opposing team. He didn't care if he was outnumbered, he didn't care if he was just one guy and it didn't make a difference, what mattered was that he didn't give up and he stood up for his team and showed some spunk. He was wrong plenty of times, but he brought an element that was lacking on our team at the time.

I remember it well. It was the Bengals on a Monday nighter

 

[hoops]

So the fans, now Ireland...im surprised no one has blamed the media yet. Personally, im putting the blame on Obama. Somehow he's neck deep in this.

Great coaches elevate the talent on their roster. Just because Ireland was atrocious doesnt absolve Philbin of his own incompetence. Im far, far more alarmed by the decisions Philbin has made during the offseason than during the regular season(not that i was overly impressed there, getting swept by the Bills is inexcusable). Fighting tooth and nail to keep Sherman, continuing to pay Turner, telling potential GM's he might bench Tannehill...just absurd. Completely and utterly absurd.

Regardless, thats all beside the point. We have one coach demanding a certain type of behavior and another coach demanding a different type of behavior. Its a direct conflict. As the unnamed player suggested, im not at all surprised that the team has adopted Philbin's attitude: he made it his mission for the roster to behave that way. Now Coyle wants it to change while Philbin hovers in the background. Its possible Philbin learned to loosen up and the team starts breathing fire on opponents next year, but the far more likely scenario is our players ignore Coyle's attempts so they do not incur Philbin's punishments.

I made a specific point to say not that I blame the fans cause I knew you'd latch onto that and try and run with it...you're kidding yourself if you don't think that fan base or better yet the atmosphere that Seattle gets every week in that building doesn't fuel those players...absolutely kidding yourself

I'm not blaming the fans but at the end of the day despite a oc that didn't get the most bang for his buck and got run out of town after the season the by and large reason this team was mediocre yet again in 2013 was personnel related...I will let you figure out where in particular...hint they changed the entire f ing unit pretty much and spent $50 plus mil on one player the second free agency opened plus used a top 20 pick on it cause they knew is was the elephant in the room

Some of you guys try to blame the head coach for stuff that isn't even a part of his job title...unless you want to hold him accountable for a ton of crappy personnel free agency and draft decisions...cause we have gotten plenty of those

and show me some proof of this telling potential gms he may bench tannehill...otherwise stop feeding the speculation train...benching tannehill would be the theatre of the absurd...til it happens and isn't some clown with a twitter account looking for hits only no one should even entertain it

"Hovers in the background"...sure reads like a lot of speculation

 

[TheWalrus]

I made a specific point to say not that I blame the fans cause I knew you'd latch onto that and try and run with it...you're kidding yourself if you don't think that fan base or better yet the atmosphere that Seattle gets every week in that building doesn't fuel those players...absolutely kidding yourself

Because the fans feel like they can affect the outcome of the game by being loud, which the Seahawks as an organization play up (retiring #12 in honor of the fans) and so on. Dolphins fans don't feel that way (anymore) because the facility doesn't afford them the opportunity.