Coyle trying to inject emotion and enthusiasm into defense

[roy_miami]

The Dolphins scoring defense under Coyle is ranked fifth with only Seattle, San Fran, Cincy and Carolina ranked ahead of us. That's a pretty impressive feat considering three of those team protect their defense with a ground and pound offensive philosophy and the other team is loaded on offense, well, loaded everywhere, and their offense is able to put games out of reach making things easier on the defense. Us being fifth with a god awful offense providing zero protection is damn near amazing, why would they want to change anything?

And this is the first I'm hearing that Philbin was telling GMs he might bench Tannehill....thats awesome and I have even more respect for him now. I was just assuming that any potential GM candidate would have to pretend to loooovvve Tannehill or gtfo. The only problem though is we didn't really add anybody worth benching him for.

 

[Spesh]

Where are you getting those accusations from? Any links to support those claims or is that more FH speculation? I see so many posts of people claiming 'Ireland does this' or 'Philbin does this' solely based on assumptions.

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin wasn’t able to save offensive line coach Jim Turner’s job. But Philbin was able to save Turner’s pay.

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe reports that the Dolphins owner Stephen Ross wanted to fire Turner with cause, which would have cut off the two remaining years of salary under his contract with the team. At best, Turner would have had to fight for the money — with the league office determining the outcome and no entitlement to interest or attorneys’ fees or any other damages if he’d prevailed.

Per Volin, Philbin successfully lobbied for Ross to fire Turner without cause, which means that Turner will receive ongoing compensation from the team.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...olphins-wont-try-to-block-jim-turners-salary/

La Canfora reports Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin told general manager candidates during interviews that Tannehill could be on a shorter leash in 2014. A source indicated Philbin wants to have more competition at quarterback to push Tannehill, and Philbin won’t be afraid to make a change next season if needed.

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/5298/report-tannehill-on-shorter-leash-in-2014

“Anyone who knows Philbin knows how much it hurt him to fire his dear friend Mike Sherman. In fact, we hear Philbin nearly pulled a Mike Munchak and fell on the sword himself. Sherman, though, convinced him to stay with this logic: If Philbin had quit, he would have cost every other assistant on the staff his job as well. This way, only Sherman lost a job.”

http://fansided.com/2014/01/11/repo...-nearly-quit-forced-fire-mike-sherman/#!XGVX6

As far as random myths on this forum are concerned:

Claims about Ireland-

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?329950-The-Ireland-Mythology-Index&highlight=

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?335235-Ireland-Mythology-Index-vol-2&highlight=

Lineman and Receiver(has some material on Philbin/Hickey, especially their stated draft philosophy, which ended up being a blatant lie)-

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?353726-The-Offensive-Tackle-Mythology-Index&highlight=

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?354215-The-Wide-Receiver-Mythology-Index&highlight=

I forgot one of those reports came from Jason La Canfora, nerdrage eruption over the insidious media conspiracy that totally for reals exists in 3...2...1...

 

[roy_miami]

La Canfora reports Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin told general manager candidates during interviews that Tannehill could be on a shorter leash in 2014. A source indicated Philbin wants to have more competition at quarterback to push Tannehill, and Philbin won’t be afraid to make a change next season if needed.

I was already slightly perturbed that we didn't draft a QB but knowing this makes me angry.

 

[TheWalrus]

As far as random myths on this forum are concerned:

Claims about Ireland-

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?329950-The-Ireland-Mythology-Index&highlight=

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?335235-Ireland-Mythology-Index-vol-2&highlight=

I was shocked -- SHOCKED -- when I looked at the "no thanks'" on those posts.

I forgot one of those reports came from Jason La Canfora, nerdrage eruption over the insidious media conspiracy that totally for reals exists in 3...2...1...

Yup. And I look forward to LaCanfora's report being spun into the idea that Philbin wants to bench Tannehill and if he doesn't that means LaCanfora was wrong.

It's amazing what the "we've talked about trading Wake and/or Jordan" story has been turned into around here. We didn't end up trading them, so suddenly that means LaCanfora was wrong when he reported we talked about trading them. I'm not saying LaCanfora is a particularly good reporter because I don't think he is but it's the height of irony to criticize LaCanfora's report for inaccuracy when you are totally misrepresenting what he said.

 

[mega-fin-love]

I like the Delmas and Finnegan signings.

In addition to that, I think another way for Coyle to inject more emotion on defense is for him to get out of that cozy coaches box and get his butt down on the sideline. Come on Coyle, get down where the action is, thank the guys as they are walking off the field, and fire their a$$ up!

I see your point but I also think that you can clearly see the field better from up top and have a better birds eye view of what is going on. Being on the field has the advantage of being able to talk to the players and bring excitement but it comes at the cost of not being able to see the field as well and make adjustments.

 

[Spesh]

I made a specific point to say not that I blame the fans cause I knew you'd latch onto that and try and run with it...you're kidding yourself if you don't think that fan base or better yet the atmosphere that Seattle gets every week in that building doesn't fuel those players...absolutely kidding yourself

I'm not blaming the fans but at the end of the day despite a oc that didn't get the most bang for his buck and got run out of town after the season the by and large reason this team was mediocre yet again in 2013 was personnel related...I will let you figure out where in particular...hint they changed the entire f ing unit pretty much and spent $50 plus mil on one player the second free agency opened plus used a top 20 pick on it cause they knew is was the elephant in the room

Some of you guys try to blame the head coach for stuff that isn't even a part of his job title...unless you want to hold him accountable for a ton of crappy personnel free agency and draft decisions...cause we have gotten plenty of those

and show me some proof of this telling potential gms he may bench tannehill...otherwise stop feeding the speculation train...benching tannehill would be the theatre of the absurd...til it happens and isn't some clown with a twitter account looking for hits only no one should even entertain it

"Hovers in the background"...sure reads like a lot of speculation

Yes, and why are Seattle fans so much louder than the rest of the leagues fans? Do they inherently love their team more? Does the constant rain have an effect on their lungs that somehow manifests into louder and longer screams? Or could it simply be because the owner spent money into making it a loud stadium?

Think of Seattle’s CenturyLink Field like a child, one that grows up and graduates from law school. That is how AECOM’s Jon Niemuth views his design and the recognition it now gets for creating pure noise. He did all that work to get it there, but never quite knew how it would all turn out. CenturyLink has graduated, certainly, building a fact-based resume as one of the — if not the – loudest outdoor stadiums in all of sports.

And it was by design.

When Seahawks’ owner Paul Allen first met with Niemuth, Allen wanted the collegiate, roaring atmosphere he basked in growing up attending games in the University of Washington’s Husky Stadium. Niemuth obliged, bringing a stadium design to the NFL in 2002 that takes the raucousness provided by the fans and accentuates it. Now Seattle celebrates noise...

http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/15/seattle-seahawks-centurylink-field-noise/

...na, clearly the lungs mutation. Michael Phelps is legion in Seattle. Good teams dont require an mutant army fanbase, they are just good period, which is why some teams dont hover around a .500 record every single year. Understandably confusing for Dolphins fans though.

If you can successfully convince me that Colin Kaepernick, Alex Smith, and Joe Flacco are among the best quarterbacks in the league, i willl immediately eat crow and admit coaching has no effect whatsoever on the roster and teams are only as successful as the talent on them. Good luck.

In any case, your not going to hear me suggest the talent in here wasnt lacking. I suggested as much earlier with the "Ireland is atrocious" mention. But again, that doesnt excuse Philbin. We are a bad team, but we have enough talent to defeat the 6-10 Thaddeus Lewis lead Bills at least once. Our general manager deserves every ounce of criticism for how our roster is. But Philbin didnt even come close to using his resources in the best way possible. Ireland didnt force Wallace to sit in one spot all year. Ireland didnt dismiss the idea of playing Dion Jordan at linebacker. Philbin made those decisions. Im looking forward to seeing who you pin those decisions on though, should earn a chuckle. My guess: Heat fans.

And i happily provided the link in my other post, but i love the suggestion that the consideration could never have happened because it is to absurd. I mean, a head coach trying to keep his job by throwing others under the bus? Perish the thought! Has never happened and will never happened!

I'll correct the lazy term of "hovers in the background": Philbin is "totally absent". Much better. Sounds legit.

 

[Spesh]

I was shocked -- SHOCKED -- when I looked at the "no thanks'" on those posts.



Yup. And I look forward to LaCanfora's report being spun into the idea that Philbin wants to bench Tannehill and if he doesn't that means LaCanfora was wrong.

It's amazing what the "we've talked about trading Wake and/or Jordan" story has been turned into around here. We didn't end up trading them, so suddenly that means LaCanfora was wrong when he reported we talked about trading them. I'm not saying LaCanfora is a particularly good reporter because I don't think he is but it's the height of irony to criticize LaCanfora's report for inaccuracy when you are totally misrepresenting what he said.

I personally get a kick out of those who take it one step farther: If we didnt trade ____ then not only was La Canfora lying, but that means hes been lying about everything hes ever reported in his entire career.

La Canfora must be essential for the conspiracy to turn fans against the Dolphins in order for people to keep giving him paychecks. But then again, as i dont think the media is out to get the second most average team in the league, im totally falling for the conspiracy, so what do i know?

 

[TheWalrus]

I personally get a kick out of those who take it one step farther: If we didnt trade ____ then not only was La Canfora lying, but that means hes been lying about everything hes ever reported in his entire career.

La Canfora must be essential for the conspiracy to turn fans against the Dolphins in order for people to keep giving him paychecks. But then again, as i dont think the media is out to get the second most average team in the league, im totally falling for the conspiracy, so what do i know?

Didn't you know there's a conference every year where up and coming NFL reporters are told that the way to fame and fortune in the business is to bash the Dolphins?

 

[fishfanmiami]

Yes, and why are Seattle fans so much louder than the rest of the leagues fans? Do they inherently love their team more? Does the constant rain have an effect on their lungs that somehow manifests into louder and longer screams? Or could it simply be because the owner spent money into making it a loud stadium?

It's certainly helps that the crowd there has always been one of the loudest even before the new stadium.

http://www.seahawks.com/12th-Man/

Seattle's fans are known as the loudest in the NFL, so much so that the league instituted a noise rule in 1985. Despite the rule, the 12th MAN continued the tradition, giving the Seahawks a home field advantage to this day.

Maybe it is the rain :idk:
I spent a couple weeks there and it did not get dark until around 9:30 at night. I felt like screaming as well from lack of sleep. Did I mention they sell coffee and expresso on every street corner ?
Everyone is already wired when they get to the game.

 

[phintim]

Just some observations to throw out there to consider. We rarely lost in the old Orange Bowl which back then as fans we considered it home field advantage and a almost a guarenteed win. At the time we beleived the Florida heat was our advantage not the fan base as much because the stadium was not as packed as most stadiums were. Once we moved to Joe Robbie the auto wins in playing at home even early in the year started slipping away. The comment about Joe Robbie stadium compared to the Orange Bowl is that the fan noise was much louder in the Orange Bowl. So my conclusion is the fan noise does help based on those facts.
I also question Philbin's ability to really be in touch with his team. How did the circus on offensive line happen and Philbin not know that his guys were out clubbing, getting stoned and practicing hung over. Philbin comes across as a bit of a stern players coach and a coach whom is loyal to his assistants. If thats the case how in the world would his assistants not know what was going on and tell the guy. Shula I believe would have someones ass over that situation while Philbin wants to protect his coaches more than his players.
Hoops based on your observations I believe I read earlier about Hickey probably being worse than Ireland as a GM I see this year as nothing but a downward spiral for this team implying the talent should get worse instead of better.
Someone mentioned on this thread a good coach will build his team to his personnel strengths not attempt to build the team to the coaches strenghts which Philbin has attempted to do and that Shula outside of instilling team dicipline would build the team to emphasize his players talent.
Staying with the Shula theme for a minute the dolphins overall had less talent than our current teams have had IMO except at a key position like QB with Marinio and RB with Morris and his gang.
Hoops we need a great coach and thats whats going to get us in the playoff hunt and based on Bill B. with the Pats even into the SuperBowl as much or more than a great GM. Not saying a great GM is not key but I put my money on the coach. Any Notre Dame fans out there who have watched the wins go away years ago when your old college coach go to South Carolinia? It works that way in the college ranks to and we know Notre Dame gets enough talent.

 

[roy_miami]

Just some observations to throw out there to consider. We rarely lost in the old Orange Bowl which back then as fans we considered it home field advantage and a almost a guarenteed win. At the time we beleived the Florida heat was our advantage not the fan base as much because the stadium was not as packed as most stadiums were. Once we moved to Joe Robbie the auto wins in playing at home even early in the year started slipping away. The comment about Joe Robbie stadium compared to the Orange Bowl is that the fan noise was much louder in the Orange Bowl. So my conclusion is the fan noise does help based on those facts.
I also question Philbin's ability to really be in touch with his team. How did the circus on offensive line happen and Philbin not know that his guys were out clubbing, getting stoned and practicing hung over. Philbin comes across as a bit of a stern players coach and a coach whom is loyal to his assistants. If thats the case how in the world would his assistants not know what was going on and tell the guy. Shula I believe would have someones ass over that situation while Philbin wants to protect his coaches more than his players.
Hoops based on your observations I believe I read earlier about Hickey probably being worse than Ireland as a GM I see this year as nothing but a downward spiral for this team implying the talent should get worse instead of better.
Someone mentioned on this thread a good coach will build his team to his personnel strengths not attempt to build the team to the coaches strenghts which Philbin has attempted to do and that Shula outside of instilling team dicipline would build the team to emphasize his players talent.
Staying with the Shula theme for a minute the dolphins overall had less talent than our current teams have had IMO except at a key position like QB with Marinio and RB with Morris and his gang.
Hoops we need a great coach and thats whats going to get us in the playoff hunt and based on Bill B. with the Pats even into the SuperBowl as much or more than a great GM. Not saying a great GM is not key but I put my money on the coach. Any Notre Dame fans out there who have watched the wins go away years ago when your old college coach go to South Carolinia? It works that way in the college ranks to and we know Notre Dame gets enough talent.

Good for Shula. Pete Carroll built his team to his strengths and it worked out OK. Tom Coughlin runs a system that had some mild success. You think Chip Kelly is going to let the personnel dictate his system? Point is, there are many ways to skin a cat.

 

[phintim]

Good for Shula. Pete Carroll built his team to his strengths and it worked out OK. Tom Coughlin runs a system that had some mild success. You think Chip Kelly is going to let the personnel dictate his system? Point is, there are many ways to skin a cat.

Long term consistent sucess is what I am talking about. You can catch the league by surprise like we did with Marino and the Marks brother smurfs and the wild cat but a good coach will build on those new trends and players that make them work. Shula could Tony could not. The Giants have had their playoff runs with a roster not as talented as other playoff teams and the same for Ravens who won with defense in a offensive league and the Pats have just been there for years. Bronco's under Elway as their GM bring in Manning and one player makes the difference but thats a short term plan. We will see about Chip Kelly maybe his predcessor whom went to St Louis left him some talent to work with much like Tony Dungy did for Gruden with the Bucs. Time tells everything and a good coach swings things around.

 

[roy_miami]

Long term consistent sucess is what I am talking about. You can catch the league by surprise like we did with Marino and the Marks brother smurfs and the wild cat but a good coach will build on those new trends and players that make them work. Shula could Tony could not. The Giants have had their playoff runs with a roster not as talented as other playoff teams and the same for Ravens who won with defense in a offensive league and the Pats have just been there for years. Bronco's under Elway as their GM bring in Manning and one player makes the difference but thats a short term plan. We will see about Chip Kelly maybe his predcessor whom went to St Louis left him some talent to work with much like Tony Dungy did for Gruden with the Bucs. Time tells everything and a good coach swings things around.

To have long term success you need an elite coach and/or an elite QB. Shula was an elite coach (from what I understand anyway, I just started following the Dolphins right at the end of his tenure) and in my estimation elite coaches are even more rare than elite QBs. I would say Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick are the only elite coaches in the league today, and even Belichick is debatable.

 

[TheWalrus]

To have long term success you need an elite coach and/or an elite QB. Shula was an elite coach (from what I understand anyway, I just started following the Dolphins right at the end of his tenure) and in my estimation elite coaches are even more rare than elite QBs. I would say Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick are the only elite coaches in the league today, and even Belichick is debatable.

To me it's a tiered system, and the guy at the top is Belichick. Alone. And it's not that close.

The next group after that is Jim Harbaugh and perennially underrated Marvin Lewis (no coaching staff in the league has turned around more ****heads than Lewis'). The next group after that would be Sean Payton, Rex Ryan (shoot me, I know) and Pete Carroll. After that is a large level of above average guys like John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Jeff Fisher, Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy and Tom Coughlin. After that is a bunch of :idk:.

 

[djphinfan]

Because the fans feel like they can affect the outcome of the game by being loud, which the Seahawks as an organization play up (retiring #12 in honor of the fans) and so on. Dolphins fans don't feel that way (anymore) because the facility doesn't afford them the opportunity.

We have a winner.