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Cut Mare - Sign France?

I'm a Mare hater. He's let me down too many times. He better perform this season.
 
burger13 said:
Had I responded w/o doing my homework.....I would have dismissed this thread as complete garbage. BUT......

I took a look at how Olindo stacks up against the other kickers in the league, and to my surprise, the answer is, NOT TOO WELL.

Out of the 29 kickers that have been in the top-30 for FG's made in at least 2 of the last 3 years (stats were limited by what NFL.com provides, but I think this includes every kicker of note for that period)......Mare ranks at #22. 22!!!

So going by the last 3 years......we are in the bottom third of the league as far as out Kicker goes.

So, while I don't condone scrapping Mare for a NFL Europe player....I do think that he is on the hot seat this year, and I wouldn't mind seeing some serious competition brought into camp for the spot.

Here's the numbers:

Player Team FGM FGA Long PCT
Matt Stover BAL 83 95 51 87.4%
Jason Hanson DET 69 79 54 87.3%
Mike Vanderjagt IND 80 93 54 86.0%
Adam Vinatieri NE 83 97 57 85.6%
David Akers PHI 81 95 57 85.3%
Ryan Longwell GB 75 88 53 85.2%
S. Janikowski OAK 73 86 55 84.9%
Jeff Wilkins STL 77 91 53 84.6%
Shayne Graham CIN 62 74 53 83.8%
Doug Brien NYJ 56 67 53 83.6%
Morten Andersen MIN 56 68 50 82.4%
Phil Dawson CLE 64 78 52 82.1%
Josh Brown SEA 45 55 58 81.8%
Gary Anderson TEN 62 76 53 81.6%
John Kasay CAR 53 65 54 81.5%
John Carney NO 75 92 53 81.5%
Jason Elam DEN 82 101 55 81.2%
Jeff Reed PIT 68 84 51 81.0%
Rian Lindell BUF 64 81 52 79.0%
Neil Rackers ARI 46 59 55 78.0%
Jay Feely ATL 69 90 52 76.7%
Olindo Mare MIA 58 76 53 76.3%
John Hall WAS 57 75 54 76.0%
Billy Cundiff DAL 55 74 52 74.3%
Steve Christie NYG 55 74 53 74.3%
Kris Brown HOU 52 70 51 74.3%
Todd Peterson SF 42 58 51 72.4%
Paul Edinger CHI 63 88 54 71.6%
Martin Gramatica TB/IND 59 84 53 70.2%
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two years ago when he missed those kicks on the dirt and a few others we did not have our snapper. (out for the year). We had two fill in crap snappers. last year he was injured. but up to when he got injured he looked good. Plus last year there wasn't crap to kick. We were lucky to get into field goal range. When we did, he made them. (when he wasn't injured). I think you guys need to give him a wait and see pass for this year.
 
I've never heard anyone attribute Mare's screw ups in 2003 to any problem with the long snapper. Ever.
 
I'm not ready to scrap Mare, even if I were to ignore the cap implications.
He was definitely disappointing in '03, and obviously injured last year.
At 31, avoiding injuries, he sould just be getting into his own as a kicker. I am optimistic that he will turn it all around.
 
Edinger is now available and probably at the veterans minimum. Mare is no longer an elite kicker just a good guy to kickoff before last year. Injuries or not it is time to move on. Remember possibly the two best kickers today were undrafted Vinatieri and Longwell so you can always acquire a kicker without wasting a draft pick(J-E-T-S)
 
Dolfan n' C-Bus said:
Edinger is now available and probably at the veterans minimum. Mare is no longer an elite kicker just a good guy to kickoff before last year. Injuries or not it is time to move on. Remember possibly the two best kickers today were undrafted Vinatieri and Longwell so you can always acquire a kicker without wasting a draft pick(J-E-T-S)
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We're better off keeping Mare than we are signing Edinger.
 
burger13 said:
Had I responded w/o doing my homework.....I would have dismissed this thread as complete garbage. BUT......

I took a look at how Olindo stacks up against the other kickers in the league, and to my surprise, the answer is, NOT TOO WELL.

Out of the 29 kickers that have been in the top-30 for FG's made in at least 2 of the last 3 years (stats were limited by what NFL.com provides, but I think this includes every kicker of note for that period)......Mare ranks at #22. 22!!!

So going by the last 3 years......we are in the bottom third of the league as far as out Kicker goes.

So, while I don't condone scrapping Mare for a NFL Europe player....I do think that he is on the hot seat this year, and I wouldn't mind seeing some serious competition brought into camp for the spot.

Here's the numbers:

Player Team FGM FGA Long PCT
Matt Stover BAL 83 95 51 87.4%
Jason Hanson DET 69 79 54 87.3%
Mike Vanderjagt IND 80 93 54 86.0%
Adam Vinatieri NE 83 97 57 85.6%
David Akers PHI 81 95 57 85.3%
Ryan Longwell GB 75 88 53 85.2%
S. Janikowski OAK 73 86 55 84.9%
Jeff Wilkins STL 77 91 53 84.6%
Shayne Graham CIN 62 74 53 83.8%
Doug Brien NYJ 56 67 53 83.6%
Morten Andersen MIN 56 68 50 82.4%
Phil Dawson CLE 64 78 52 82.1%
Josh Brown SEA 45 55 58 81.8%
Gary Anderson TEN 62 76 53 81.6%
John Kasay CAR 53 65 54 81.5%
John Carney NO 75 92 53 81.5%
Jason Elam DEN 82 101 55 81.2%
Jeff Reed PIT 68 84 51 81.0%
Rian Lindell BUF 64 81 52 79.0%
Neil Rackers ARI 46 59 55 78.0%
Jay Feely ATL 69 90 52 76.7%
Olindo Mare MIA 58 76 53 76.3%
John Hall WAS 57 75 54 76.0%
Billy Cundiff DAL 55 74 52 74.3%
Steve Christie NYG 55 74 53 74.3%
Kris Brown HOU 52 70 51 74.3%
Todd Peterson SF 42 58 51 72.4%
Paul Edinger CHI 63 88 54 71.6%
Martin Gramatica TB/IND 59 84 53 70.2%
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Wow. :eek: Nice work... but quite surprising to hear to say the least.
 
Shifty187 said:
Hes only 31 but he hasnt been a Pro Bowl caliber kicker since 2002!

For a kicker his cap number is pretty high.

If he doesnt produce this year hes a goner!
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deal!
 
mare is still the man. the guy has been excellent on kickoffs the last few years. i was a holder for my friend, so i kinda know some of the nuances for the kicking game. lemme be the first to tell you that losing your long snapper can have an adverse effect on the timing of your kicker, as will having a different holder, its all about routine and timing for them, while it may not be a noticable difference for any of us, talk to the kickers of the world. i can forgive mare for his misses off the dirt, i was mad as anything in the new england game, but dont fault him, that messes with your plant, and confidence im sure, especially when youve missed one earlier in the game i believe. wayne needs to get the stupid marlins out of our stadium, so we dont have to worry about that crap anymore
 
Mare is a good kicker but he craps his pants when the pressure is on. if we don't cut him we ahould atlaest re do his contract.
 
Dolfan n' C-Bus said:
Edinger is now available and probably at the veterans minimum. Mare is no longer an elite kicker just a good guy to kickoff before last year. Injuries or not it is time to move on. Remember possibly the two best kickers today were undrafted Vinatieri and Longwell so you can always acquire a kicker without wasting a draft pick(J-E-T-S)
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Edinger is the worse than everyone except Gramatica over the last three years.....I'd keep Mare for now, even at the higher cap cost (we're not exactly tight under the cap now)......but if he doesn't improve this year.......
 
what about the kick in the denver game, if someone wants to look it up i think he still has a very good percentage on kicks to either tie or win a game for us...
 
PatsSuck456 said:
Mare is a good kicker but he craps his pants when the pressure is on. if we don't cut him we ahould atlaest re do his contract.
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Are you kidding me? Is your memory that short, or are you just young enough to only remember the past two years?
 
Dolfan n' C-Bus said:
Edinger is now available and probably at the veterans minimum. Mare is no longer an elite kicker just a good guy to kickoff before last year. Injuries or not it is time to move on. Remember possibly the two best kickers today were undrafted Vinatieri and Longwell so you can always acquire a kicker without wasting a draft pick(J-E-T-S)
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:huh:

Do you honestly feel that Edinger is a better kicker?
 
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