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Dan Marino-"I'd throw for 6,000 yards"

Awsi Dooger said:
Let me provide some perspective:

The current odds on a 6000 yard season from the best quarterback in the league, one specific guy, would be in the 50/1 range. At 7000 it would be 1000/1. That's not a typo. The same crowd who doesn't think it's much of an ask to get from 5000 to 6000 undoubtedly believes it's just a small hurdle to find 7000 instead of 6000. Unless you are adding games, it multiplies exponentially.

I've been told it's a violation to jolt the forum. Maybe the forum needs to jolt itself, with real world understanding and not merely moving numbers around with no sense of the altered burden.

BTW, I'm talking about man to man odds. The sportsbook would never actually give you 50/1. They would realize the sucker factor, that fans -- like the happy adjusters in this thread -- are willing to take far below what they deserve in the fascination with wild projections. If there were a two-way betting prop on one quarterback managing 6000 yards next season, it might look like this:

-7000 NO
+3000 YES

That means anyone wanting to bet NO would be asked to put up $7000 to win $100 while a YES would risk $100 to win $3000. The NO would undoubtedly move up in price since a handful of bettors wouldn't mind the risk.

I realize that posters want to believe Marino doesn't fit the restraints or normal odds, that he'd wipe out any barrier in this era. Meanwhile, 6000 yards is 375 per game. Marino only averaged above 280 twice in his career. Every time you slip to "merely" 325 you have to balance with 425 somewhere along the line. The team couldn't afford a game in which the running game dominated, because that might mean an early lead and no need to throw for 375 yards or anything close to that. You'd have to avoid a wind game, or a weather game. Basically, everything normal couldn't happen, including the renewed emphasis on defense from teams like the Seahawks, 49ers and Panthers.

I'm not going to stop pointing out the nonsense. There should be some self restraint. I've noted that from some posters in recent months, but not nearly enough. The sports world in general lends itself to ridiculous exaggeration but normally the specialized forums are somewhat immune.
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I am not going to sit here and say he could throw for 7000 yards in today's game. No way that would happen. 437 yards a game? A couple of bad weather days would shut that down. I also think it would be quite unlikely for him to throw for 6000 yards.

BUT...........there is no a doubt in my mind that we could easily throw well above 5000 almost every season. Had he had anything that even resembled a defense that could have put the ball in his hands for a few more possession a game instead of allowing the other team to march down the field and score time and time again, I am quite confident he would have had a few more 5000+ yard seasons.
 
With mike Wallace too.....yeah lots of td
 
Dan Marino is coming. Hide the women and children. He's got an army of Mitt Romney impersonators behind him and he's here to take your YPA throne. Andy Dalton cowers in fear as the Destroyer emerges from his long slumber and comes now, full of fury. Golf handicappers everywhere flee at the very rumble of his thunderous footsteps. Calder becomes a ghost town as Dan Marino, Destroyer of Yardage Records, steps into the scene. And behold, there were none that could stand against him save those who understood the fundamental truth of betting on horse races: get a tip on the one that was held back.

But there will be no tips on those that were held back today, on this darkest of days. Rise up my friends, rise up! Rise behind your hero, Jonathan Martin, who stands on the shoulders of giants! Rise up behind this man full of confidence, vim and vigor, this most noble soul, and shout to the rooftops that you shall not take it anymore! Writhe and strain against your straightjackets in the face of such woeful hyperbole! I shall not be afraid! I hear not the fearmongers!

Actually, it's time to catch the early bird. See yah.
 
Phinatic8u said:
See you make zero sense..

Just like most of the time, you make zero sense.
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Stadium's fault. Don't blame him, man.

Actually let me elaborate on that. You see, there's actually a giant particle accelerator underneath Joe Robbie Stadium. Some people think that the stadium was built on Indian Burial Grounds, but that's not true. It's actually a particle accelerator that's being used to conduct experiments in quantum state physics.

You might be aware that in particle physics, there's a very strange phenomenon in which electrons actually inhabit every possible space that they can inhabit, until they are observed. Well, the United States Air Force is actually conducting secret research right now underneath Joe Robbie Stadium (I refuse to refer to it by the faux branding they're using as a cover these days) on that very same phenomenon. And that's also why attendance is so poor. It's not because fans are fed up with a lousy product, but because the Air Force's top secret quantum experiments have expanded and top scientists from Sandia Labs are trying to determine whether or not these abnormalities of electron states can be observed on a much larger scale. A human scale.

They're trying to find out what happens if nobody watches a football game. And that's scary, folks. If nobody watches that football game, will those football players simultaneously inhabit every possible space that they can inhabit? This is frightening stuff. The military applications are limitless and should chill you to your very soul.
 
Funny how unrealistic 20 percent over his best season is perceived but Mike Wallace comes out and says 250 percent above his best season and its realistic lol
 
I would say he would hit around 5500, 6k would be damn hard
 
dlockz said:
I would say he would hit around 5500, 6k would be damn hard
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6,000 would be attainable under ideal conditions. Drew Brees for instance, could do it if he played all 16 games in the Super Dome, IMO. I think Peyton could do it today on the team he's on if he were in his prime.

7,000 yards was obvious hyperbole but that doesn't stop the Merry Melodies from freaking out over it.
 
Manning had 5500 at 39.

Why couldn't Marino throw for 6k if he played now?

There's no right or wrong in the thread it's all opinion, no matter how you wanna put it. IMO Marino could have 8k with 75 TDS, can't prove me wrong so yeah..
 
And with today's rules about not touching the quarterback, thanks to the crybabies Manning and Brady, Marino would have enjoyed a longer career then he had and thus would have thrown more stats into the stratosphere.
 
With this type of adjustment, you guys would enable greater opportunity if you projected 10 or 20 years into the future. There might be more games or more plays. The problem with right now is too many known quantities. Marino was barely 10% above second place -- Neil Lomax -- in his signature season of 1984. To find 6000 yards he'd have to be more than 10% above the highest number of all time, Peyton Manning this season.

At least 6000 yards is not outer space. It could happen within a 16 game format and similar rules. That's why I estimated 2% opportunity for a given player, and not next to nothing. The 7000 number thrown out as feasible in this thread is mind blowing happy adjuster ignorance.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
With this type of adjustment, you guys would enable greater opportunity if you projected 10 or 20 years into the future. There might be more games or more plays. The problem with right now is too many known quantities. Marino was barely 10% above second place -- Neil Lomax -- in his signature season of 1984. To find 6000 yards he'd have to be more than 10% above the highest number of all time, Peyton Manning this season.

At least 6000 yards is not outer space. It could happen within a 16 game format and similar rules. That's why I estimated 2% opportunity for a given player, and not next to nothing. The 7000 number thrown out as feasible in this thread is mind blowing happy adjuster ignorance.
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You did know that was sarcastic right?
 
I guess the obvious question is why would any team WANT to throw for 6000 yards, given the attached frailties?

That game tonight reminded me of everything I despised about the Marino era, other than opportunity to wager on the other side.
 
Just looking at the 1984 passing leader stats he destroyed in them all. Not even close in the years following. It's amazing how much he owned those stats. He would definitely eclipse 6,000 yards with 60-70 TD's today.


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It is crazy to think how many yards and TDs he had in '84 (and again in '86) before the advent of the tall WR, tossing the jump ball and the rule changes. Dan put those numbers up mostly throwing lasers to 5'9 receivers named Clayton, duper and Moore. In other words, these guys didn't make plays to bail their QB out - they ran their routes and the ball had to be delivered in stride and on the money. I can't even fathom what a guy like Marino could have done if the Calvin Johnson's and the rules of today were available to him back then. Scary.
 
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