I've been saying that all along. The work on each player is 90 percent finished already. It's not that they've worked through 90 percent of the players and 10 percent they haven't started. What I have said from the beginning is that the process is mostly done, and that the change in players' grades from here on out -- barring major changes/revelations -- is not going to change very much.
Darlington: Dolphins will take time with GM hire, might not be this week
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I've been saying that all along. The work on each player is 90 percent finished already. It's not that they've worked through 90 percent of the players and 10 percent they haven't started. What I have said from the beginning is that the process is mostly done, and that the change in players' grades from here on out -- barring major changes/revelations -- is not going to change very much.
hoops
Tua time!
i guess i need to bold this and posts it again...we are not talking about the same thing
So...you're saying you want Mangini?
I'm going to take hoops' side. Nobody is going to convince me the board is 90% set. The teams and general managers like to float that impression, to act like they are above last minute radical shifts of opinion. It sounds more suave and supernatural to insist they are months if not years ahead of everybody else. Nonsense. Look at coaches and former executives in their TV roles. They sound no different than the typical analyst. Everything is based on last week or a few hours ago. I'm convinced these guys are switching to the very end, trembling as their pick approaches with little idea what they are going to do, and then they pray they got it right.
I remember during the Oilers/Steelers battles of the late '70s Bum Phillips was so transfixed by the Steelers on draft day that he started whining that it was uncanny that the Steelers would swipe their choices out from under them. When a reporter pointed out that the Steelers were picking after the Oilers every time, and therefore nearly 30 choices would pass between a Steelers pick and Houston's next pick, Phillips launched an incoherent rant and said he would fire anyone who leaked the late changes on their draft board. That's how convinced he was that Pittsburgh was stealing signals.
When I worked at the Horseshoe, Jack Binion would tell us one thing behind closed doors and a completely different version to the media. Then he would brag about the lie becoming the official version. Las Vegas in general has made a game out of manipulating the public to believe they are on high definition camera at every spot in every casino and casino parking lot. It's all laughable nonsense but the propaganda helps thwart thieves, even simple things like parking garage burglaries, let alone machine and table game scammers.
I remember during the Oilers/Steelers battles of the late '70s Bum Phillips was so transfixed by the Steelers on draft day that he started whining that it was uncanny that the Steelers would swipe their choices out from under them. When a reporter pointed out that the Steelers were picking after the Oilers every time, and therefore nearly 30 choices would pass between a Steelers pick and Houston's next pick, Phillips launched an incoherent rant and said he would fire anyone who leaked the late changes on their draft board. That's how convinced he was that Pittsburgh was stealing signals.
When I worked at the Horseshoe, Jack Binion would tell us one thing behind closed doors and a completely different version to the media. Then he would brag about the lie becoming the official version. Las Vegas in general has made a game out of manipulating the public to believe they are on high definition camera at every spot in every casino and casino parking lot. It's all laughable nonsense but the propaganda helps thwart thieves, even simple things like parking garage burglaries, let alone machine and table game scammers.
I'll say this in the case of Lane Johnson, I saw some projecting him as a late first in December, his value shot up however when Lewan and Matthews went back to school.
I think the truth is in between Walrus and Hoops. A lot of guys don't really see their stock go up and down until teams have a chance to meet face to face with them. Now obviously, there are those we can all rightly guess will be first round picks, but there are surprises. Was Ziggy Ansah a first at this point last year? Chandler Jones 2 years ago? DJ Hayden? ect,
Of course, as I've always said the bigger thing with the workouts,combine, Senior Bowl is more the time the teams get to spend with the kids. YOu'll hear stories come out about kids falling and while some may scream smokescreen, a lot end up being true. People kept a blind eye towards the reports that Ryan Mallett was turning a lot of teams off during the interview process and some predicted he'd fall way out of the first. There were scouts a few years ago that told Vernon Gholston to his face they thought he'd bust because he was more worried about looking good than being good. Then you had stories about Damontre Moore and Vontez Burfect in recent years.
Now again, obviously not all of these things we here are true, but there's a lot more truth in reports leading up to the draft and coming from the combine than some want to admit.
I think the truth is in between Walrus and Hoops. A lot of guys don't really see their stock go up and down until teams have a chance to meet face to face with them. Now obviously, there are those we can all rightly guess will be first round picks, but there are surprises. Was Ziggy Ansah a first at this point last year? Chandler Jones 2 years ago? DJ Hayden? ect,
Of course, as I've always said the bigger thing with the workouts,combine, Senior Bowl is more the time the teams get to spend with the kids. YOu'll hear stories come out about kids falling and while some may scream smokescreen, a lot end up being true. People kept a blind eye towards the reports that Ryan Mallett was turning a lot of teams off during the interview process and some predicted he'd fall way out of the first. There were scouts a few years ago that told Vernon Gholston to his face they thought he'd bust because he was more worried about looking good than being good. Then you had stories about Damontre Moore and Vontez Burfect in recent years.
Now again, obviously not all of these things we here are true, but there's a lot more truth in reports leading up to the draft and coming from the combine than some want to admit.
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How about you support your opinion with facts? Walrus did.
You say that you know better and everybody is lying yet you do not bring anything to the table which supports that.
The personal departments probably have boards "set" before these post-season games and combine events, but its a provisional setting. If the players' performance against other top college talents and the combine metrics don't agree with the regular season game tape, which happens often, you can bet these players will be moved or scrutinized further. As far as I know, these scouts are looking for the game tapes to be validated by the post-season performances, and any major discrepancies warrant further study imo. The combine, all-star game, and week long practices are a culmination of what was witnesses during the season.
I'd have to agree with Hoops' statement that the "90%" quote refers to the players identified, and not the draft order or rankings of those players. If you move a player up 10 spots, you have to move 9 players down at least 1 spot - that's 10 players moved because of 1 guy - so you have to assume there is plenty of movement on a board following the shrine/combine events. The combine and all-star practices can have a lot of influences over a draft board imo, and I think saying it might only only effect 10% of the board rankings is an understatement.
I'd have to agree with Hoops' statement that the "90%" quote refers to the players identified, and not the draft order or rankings of those players. If you move a player up 10 spots, you have to move 9 players down at least 1 spot - that's 10 players moved because of 1 guy - so you have to assume there is plenty of movement on a board following the shrine/combine events. The combine and all-star practices can have a lot of influences over a draft board imo, and I think saying it might only only effect 10% of the board rankings is an understatement.
hoops
Tua time!
i supported my side just fine thank you...just cause i don't have some gm echoing it in a quote doesn't mean it's not the case...