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David Cornwell’s statement regarding Jonathan Martin

That is what was said on ESPN. I can't find the video now, but that is what was said. "It was confirmed by Martin that..." I expressly remember hearing Schefter or one of those dweebs uttering this words in relation to this story.

I don't remember that but I'm sort of fried by all of this coverage. I might have missed it. It's definitely starting to run together.

That being said I do sort of doubt it. Why would they admit it? How can that help their case, that Martin never brought this up before? I suppose they could try to make the case that the workplace was so hostile to this kind of complaint that he didn't feel comfortable enough to register a complaint, but it definitely would be an unforced error.

I don't want to give them to much credit, either, so it's certainly possible. I just don't remember it.
 
I thought it was very poor timing, personally. I've outlined this elsewhere. This late on Thursday it's too late to take advantage of the news cycle. Nobody pays attention to the news on Friday or Saturday. Friday is actually called "Take out the Trash Day" in political PR circles... a day to dump stories that might portray your side in a bad light.

I think Martin's team was totally blindsided by the way the players reacted on Wednesday. For legal reasons it's highly unorthodox for people to be allowed to speak freely in this kind of situation, especially when Martin's case is going to built on the idea of a hostile workplace environment. The players giving a full throated defense of Incognito would in theory make that case easier to make, not harder.

Yet I think it worked. The players seemed genuine. People are starting to wonder if Martin is a loon in a way they didn't before. I think this press release was designed to stem the tide brought on by the rush of positive publicity for the Dolphins. It sounded rushed and poorly written to me. Certainly not a tactical, calibrated release, planned well in advance. If it was part of the larger strategy it would have leaked this morning or late last night. It still would have been mentioned at half time had that been the case as well being talked about all day, allowing for maximum saturation.

We're talking about the nfl newscycle, this isn't politics, considering we have back to back national games that couldn't be further apart they maximized the exposure
 
No he is comparing the ridiculous notion that because Martin didn't report to Management fast enough, he must be wrong or up to something. Its called blaming the victim.

:lol:

He didn't report it at ALL. Until he quit a year and a half later.
 
I don't remember that but I'm sort of fried by all of this coverage. I might have missed it. It's definitely starting to run together.

That being said I do sort of doubt it. Why would they admit it? How can that help their case, that Martin never brought this up before. I suppose they can try to make the case that the workplace was so hostile to this kind of complaint that he didn't feel comfortable enough to register a complaint, but it would be an unforced error.

I don't want to give them to much credit, either, so it's certainly possible. I just don't remember it.

The coverage is frying my brain as well, but I swear I remember that.. Unless my brain was associating Schefter with Martin's sources, and since he said it, my brain made the leap that Martin confirmed it.

In any case, the fact that Martin's didn't steadfastly refute that claim would seem to support that he didn't tell Philbin.
 
Truly, the only poetic justice to come from this would be Ireland being fired.

Such a messed up talent evaluator to spend a second round pick on a glorified baby and then depend on him to play the most important position on the OL when he is physically and mentally the weakest link.

If Ireland loses his job over Martin, I say poetic justice. He foisted this steaming sack of crap on the whole organization.

His idea of a good draft pick and a good player. Uh huh.

A street-wise friend once gave me some everlasting advice: NEVER DOUBLE DOWN ON A BAD DECISION, EXPECTING IT TO GET BETTER.

He called me a fool more than once for this -- and I finally learned. He was right.

Never double down on a bad decision -- be it a sandwich you ordered or a business decision, etc. Take one bite and throw the sandwich or plate of food away, if it's no good. Cut the decision off at the knees, if it's bad. Better a penny than a pound lost.

Picking Martin: idiotic. Doubling down on Martin's poor play and persona and expecting him to solidify LT: Mind-numbingly, colossally, epically idiotic. Organization destroying dumbness.

Ireland was in over his head. And nothing makes that clearer than Joni Martin. And a team full of mediocre players, non-playmakers, and poor depth.

LD

Much like you getting advice. I can say the same thing. I was told to never leave evidence behind to implicate you in doing something that can be perceived as a wrong and to never make the same mistake twice. Clearly in this case the evidence is damning enough to take down the team. I understand there is a certain culture in a professional sports franchises locker room, but in this case it doesn't make it right and for Martin he's just using this to his advantage. It's sad to see the team I've rooted for for over 40 years, taken down. It actually hurts!!! This team is almost guaranteed stiff penalties and more losing seasons ahead if several players get suspended.
 
Give up. You are getting ridiculous now. These situations are not even in the same multiverse.

Well in reality the whole situation is beyond ridiculous esp when people excuse things said and done because they feel thats just football.
All I get from any of this is the least important things about playing football is actually playing football
 
Even if Incognito was wronged in this specific situation in some way, I find him a pretty detestable human being. Hard to empathize with, and I empathize with everyone here. I even empathize with someone I hate -- Jeff Ireland. How can you not empathize with him staring into the abyss of losing the job he's wanted his whole life?

Unfortunately I think a lot of the people on the forum aren't dogging on Martin because of the situation he found himself in. I think they're dogging on him because his resolution to that situation has made their favorite NFL team look foolish. That's pretty sad, imo, that people would let their fandom overwhelm the normal human instinct to empathized with the bullied, rather than the bully. Which isn't to say you have to agree with the way Martin handled it. But if this isn't the Dolphins then we'd only be seeing a fraction of the hate.

This isn't about fandom...it's about being a man. The hate would still be there but not as passionately.
 
The coverage is frying my brain as well, but I swear I remember that.. Unless my brain was associating Schefter with Martin's sources, and since he said it, my brain made the leap that Martin confirmed it.

In any case, the fact that Martin's didn't steadfastly refute that claim would seem to support that he didn't tell Philbin.

It would certainly be a natural assumption to make given that the things Schefter was reporting at the time were beneficial to Martin's case rather than the team's. Doesn't make it so, though. And given that the team was coming out with statements (and Philbin's presser) saying that exact thing -- that Martin had never complained about Incognito -- it could have easily gotten combined in your head.

There's some weird legalese about workplace complaints I wish knew more about, too. If Martin mentions that someone is annoying him, you'd wouldn't imagine that would count. But does he really have to register a formal complaint for it to be considered a "complaint." I really don't know.
 
It would certainly be a natural assumption to make given that the things Schefter was reporting at the time were beneficial to Martin's case rather than the team's. Doesn't make it so, though. And given that the team was coming out with statements (and Philbin's presser) saying that exact thing -- that Martin had never complained about Incognito -- it could have easily gotten combined in your head.

There's some weird legalese about workplace complaints I wish knew more about, too. If Martin mentions that someone is annoying him, you'd wouldn't imagine that would count. But does he really have to register a formal complaint for it to be considered a "complaint." I really don't know.

Joe was pretty specific that not only did Martin not complain, he never specifically mentioned that any players were harassing him. That's kinda... yeah.

I'll end my round of speculation on some really ridiculous **** tonight with one last piece of speculation: Jon Martin has a serious mental illness.
 
This isn't about fandom...it's about being a man. The hate would still be there but not as passionately.

Really? I must have missed that part in the "Man Handbook" where it says we should instinctively blame the victim.
 
I agree with your last statement on so called hate crime but your wrong there are restrictions. There are obsenity laws and there are still restrictions to some degree on protest like distance.
I think you may want to read up on law more because its not as free wheeling as you believe.
Also the KKK could never walk down the middle of my street because Im on an army base where there are actual rules of conduct, they would be turned away.
They also have to get permits and so on.


So what exactly are you trying to say? Do you honestly believe that Incognito, or whoever, could be prosecuted for what was allegedly said? I seriously doubt it, especially if the comments were taken out of context, which I believe were made in jest. I think you already see the extent of what might happen for such comments, Incognito was suspended, but I do not think there can be any criminal ramifications. Obviously, we have not heard the last of it from Incognito's side also. He may have a stronger case than Martin's when it comes to being suspended without merit.
 
I personally can't wait to see what stones Martin threw himself. I can't wait to see how big of a piece of garbage this guy is....
 
Joe was pretty specific that not only did Martin not complain, he never specifically mentioned that any players were harassing him. That's kinda... yeah.

I'll end my round of speculation on some really ridiculous **** tonight with one last piece of speculation: Jon Martin has a serious mental illness.

He definitely said that... in the same press conference where he laid out a specific timeline that a news report has already refuted.

Martin might very well prove to have a mental illness. Remember Incognito's father saying he's had a gun to his head three times? Nothing I've seen yet has convinced me there might not be truth to it. I prefer not to speculate on it though out of respect for those who really do have mental illness.
 
:lol:

He didn't report it at ALL. Until he quit a year and a half later.


I think you are missing the context of the series of quotes, I originally was responding to another poster that felt that he might be empathetic to Martin if he came forward sooner, I asked what bearing does when he came forward have anything to do with your empathy towards a person being harassed at their workplace. I also expressed my confusion on why the timeline of when Martin quit is so important to the assessment of whether he was harassed or not.

I would say quitting is a form of reporting, drastic but someone got the message.
 
Not really. Some of the dynamics could be similar such as victim menatality but I think the sexual abuse is somewhat worse.
I will contest though that none of us are in in a priests lockerrrom so we cannot get into the mentality of if it was meant in jest or not.

:lol2: brilliant.
 
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