Did Miami Under or Over Perform Last Season?

[BlueFin]

Too much chaos on the O-line to indicate going 8-8 was underperforming.

I'd say other than the last game against the Jets it was encouraging what RT was able to do in his second year of progression with the mess we had protecting him.

This Indicates to me that if we fixed the protection this could be a good year...we will see.

 

[Chubby]

I'd say other than the last game against the Jets it was encouraging what RT was able to do in his second year of progression with the mess we had protecting him.

Dont forget the mess he had calling plays for him...

 

[roy_miami]

the problem with the team was no game looked easy...and only 1 game looked really bad

despite the score, we played like crap at cleveland...winning at indi was a head scratcher, then the falcons game made me think we looked for real...then we played the saints....yeah...

we won games we shouldnt have, and lost 3 IMO that we should have won but the team played like absolute crap (tampa, bills, and jets)

and then how many games did we lose because of a last second sack?

I keep thinking this season should be better...i think the D should be better, i think the O line should be better which should make the O better...

I'll break it down for you:

- while it seems like we randomly **** the bed in reality we had trouble specifically against top defenses, we went 1-6 vs top ten defenses, the one win it took OT and our defense to score most of our points. Our only 2 losses to teams outside the top ten was at Foxboro (good luck with that one) and the Jets week 17, the Jets were ranked 12th in defense and Tannehill was playing hurt that game. In my opinion these points are not unrelated to the fact that we spent less on offense than every team in the league while keeping $23 million in the cap space which was good for 5th most. Obviously Joe Philbin would have preferred we spent more and picked up Brandon Albert which probably would have made a HUUUGGGEEEE difference. I questioned this strategy even before the season, and I don't start threads on a whim so this was a major concern for me. http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?342615-Disturbing-Salary-Cap-Number

-we are transforming our team to a high flying offensive philosophy, that was something that was never going to happen overnight and thanks to Ireland's ineptness its happening much slower than it should be.

-no matter what offensive philosophy we run until we get elite QB play we'll always have trouble against ground and pound defensive teams, we certainly should do better than 1-6 against them but there will always be those games where the fans say "WTF was that!?!? Did we really just lose to THE JETS!?!?"

Anybody objective would say we didn't over or under perform, and I think they would lean over if I had to bet on it. I've been preaching all season that 10 wins with mediocre QB play and the mess Ireland created would have been INCREDIBLE so it would seem in-genuine to go from incredible to horrible over two wins. I'm disappointed like most but we met expectations, at least Ireland was jettisoned which makes me a bit happy tbh.

 

[nyjunc]

Under, should have been a playoff team.

 

[DuderinoN703]

They've under-performed for 20 years.

 

[ChambersWI]

I'd say the issue was too many inconsistencies both offensively and defensively.

You don't see how we can expect our OL to be worse?? A case can be made that we downgraded every position but LT, from this tme last year.
Martin < Albert
Richie > Dallas
Pouncey > Garner/Larsen/Brenner
Jerry > Garner/Brenner/Turner (Shelley will not be in the mix for starter, he is a backup at best)
Clabo > James (Clabo was a probowl RT who was injured early, but came on at the end of the season to play like a top 15 RT. If you look at the top 3 OTs from last year they all were much higher talent than James and all struggled their first year. James will not have the great rookie season that most around here believe. He is no where near as polished as some of the guys coming out last year.

As for those thinking Benton is going to turn this thing around, isn't that what everyone was saying about Turner?? Benton got ran out of town from his last gig, after fielding an OL with twice as much talent as ours, but performed about as good as ours. Maybe he is better but not by as much as many around here think. We just don't have the interior talent to be a better OL. If we signed John Jerry he would instantly be our best OG by quite a large margin, and thats not good.

First and foremost Benton did not get run out of town in Houston. They hired a new coach that was going away from the Zone Blocking Scheme. Second, Clabo was bad the first half of the season...REALLY Bad. Like there is no defending how bad he was. Same with Martin before he went awol.

Is our OL worse? Who the hell knows? The OL is all about chemistry. It's why some teams can just plug anybody in on the OL and not miss a beat. It's fairly obvious now there was no chemistry last year.

 

[roy_miami]

Under, should have been a playoff team.

According to you Rex Ryan is one of the best coaches in the league and buttfumble a top ten QB, so where are the rings? Anything but a SB appearance at the very least would be under performing with a top coach and a top QB.

 

[nyjunc]

According to you Rex Ryan is one of the best coaches in the league and buttfumble a top ten QB, so where are the rings? Anything but a SB appearance at the very least would be under performing with a top coach and a top QB.

stick to the topic at hand please.

 

[roy_miami]

stick to the topic at hand please.

I think I know the answer to this but did the Jets over or under perform?

 

[nyjunc]

I think I know the answer to this but did the Jets over or under perform?

Last year? Obviously they overperformed. that isn't even debatable. They have underperformed once in the Rex era- 2011. Should have been a playoff team.

 

[roy_miami]

Last year? Obviously they overperformed. that isn't even debatable. They have underperformed once in the Rex era- 2011. Should have been a playoff team.

The only thing obvious to me is the power a week 17 win or loss has over the feeble minded.

Remember week 13 when we were both 5-6 and the Jets were the favorite for the final wildcard slot? Had you won that game you guys make the playoffs.

 

[nyjunc]

The only thing obvious to me is the power a week 17 win or loss has over the feeble minded.

Remember week 13 when we were both 5-6 and the Jets were the favorite for the final wildcard slot? Had you won that game you guys make the playoffs.

Really? so everything else would have went exactly as it did? Interesting how you know that. I bet you thought Miami was a lock for the playoffs after beating NE. if we win that game maybe we don't beat Cle, Oak or Mia? we have no idea but we finished on a high note. It was miraculous we were in the playoff hunt most of the year w/ a QB not ready to play and a young team w/ almost no weapons on offense.

Plus I'm not sure if one game would have made the difference. Would have to check the tiebreakers.

 

[roy_miami]

Really? so everything else would have went exactly as it did? Interesting how you know that. I bet you thought Miami was a lock for the playoffs after beating NE. if we win that game maybe we don't beat Cle, Oak or Mia? we have no idea but we finished on a high note. It was miraculous we were in the playoff hunt most of the year w/ a QB not ready to play and a young team w/ almost no weapons on offense.

Plus I'm not sure if one game would have made the difference. Would have to check the tiebreakers.

A rookie QB is a good excuse to finish 8-8 but a second year QB is a grizzled vet that should be putting the team on his back? Maybe some young QBs develop at a different pace than others. And whose fault is it that you guys were forced to start a bad rookie QB anyway? Plus in Tannehill's second year as a pro Vegas had us at 7.5, Vegas has you guys at 7.0 in Geno's second year and Rex Ryan's sixth year as a head coach now? That is not progress.

 

[nyjunc]

A rookie QB is a good excuse to finish 8-8 but a second year QB is a grizzled vet that should be putting the team on his back? And whose fault is it that you guys were forced to start a bad rookie QB anyway? Plus in Tannehill's second year as a pro Vegas had us at 7.5, Vegas has you guys at 7.0, in Rex Ryan's sixth year as a head coach now? That is not progress.

First off, each situation is different. some QBs are ready, others are not. Geno not only wasn't ready but he had little talent around him. Ryan didn't even have to learn a new system and Miami brought in a ton of talent in year 2 after Ryan had a decent rookie year.

Ryan did not have to put the team on his back, the team did it's best to carry him and he wouldn't let them. All he had to do was play reasonably well and they make the playoffs. leading your O to 7 pts in 2 games against non playoff teams is not reasonably well.

We have completely rebuilt under Rex. This is a completely different team than the final 4 teams of '09 and '10. Think about it, rex had us on the doorstep of 2 SBs, we went back down and are now ahead of Miami when Miami did nothing in that time frame.

 

[phintim]

IMO There is a very resonable chance we see Brady fall down to earth this year as he turns 38 that age is a point and time where almost all QB's show how fragile they are and loose some of that arm speed. So our division could be wide open. The Bills have improve and yes the Jets were rebuilding last year with old Rex. I expect a upset from one of those teams. As far as the Phins I need to see some better coaching before I am convinced as this team starting this time last year looked liked it had fewer question marks than it does this year. We have the players talent wise just need the right men to lead them. Anyway nyjunc if your right about your rebuilding project under Rex then this could be your year or if not IMO Rex will probably be gone.