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Did Ross purposely handcuff this team?

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See how this happens? There is NOTHING substantial out there to support this claim that Ross told the team NOT to spend money. Nothing...zero. The closest thing I can recall is that he did not want to pull the trigger on the Kyle Orton deal. And looking at what they wanted and how he has performed maybe it was the right thing. I think everyone is looking so hard for someone to blame they are pulling out anything they can. You want a theory? How is this for a theory....Maybe Ross has lost all confidence in Sparano and Ireland and doesn't want to approve money and contracts for these idiots that could strap their replacements next year. If I believe anything, that's what I think would be the case.
 
fin-atic said:
See how this happens? There is NOTHING substantial out there to support this claim that Ross told the team NOT to spend money. Nothing...zero. The closest thing I can recall is that he did not want to pull the trigger on the Kyle Orton deal. And looking at what they wanted and how he has performed maybe it was the right thing. I think everyone is looking so hard for someone to blame they are pulling out anything they can. You want a theory? How is this for a theory....Maybe Ross has lost all confidence in Sparano and Ireland and doesn't want to approve money and contracts for these idiots that could strap their replacements next year. If I believe anything, that's what I think would be the case.
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thats exactly what is going on. i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss how ross feels about ireland tho. not saying he will be retained, but it sure seems that there is some measure of trust there, and ireland did get his start under peterson. the orton contract is one clear indication that ross wasnt willing to handcuff this franchise in any way. keep in mind, even if peterson never has anything to do with this organization he still is available for ross as a sounding board for information. id say the lack of a contract for soliai would be another indication, as well as the lack of any veteran players brought in during free agency other than burnett. signs certainly point to the fact the future is what was in mind. also consider that obviously ross wasnt sold on sparano as head coach. with that in mind do u really think he changed his mind? sure he gave him another year, and very likely because of the looming lock-out - but that doesnt mean he changed his opinion about the guy. if he planned to replace him at the end of last year, which he did, it was going to take a miracle to save sparanos job anyways, and thats fine. sparano is not an NFL head coach, and he doesnt deserve to be coach of the dolphins. hes lucky he got the extension he did to remain in place
 
The extension to Sparano was nothing more then a transparent message to the team that he supported Sparano and nothing more.
 
I hope that is the case, I hope that Ross realized he couldn't get the coach he wanted and went into conservative mode to help the next coach.


The alternative is....that he is a cheap bottomline coach that will doom this organization to bottomfeeder staus.
 
BlueFin said:
I hope that is the case, I hope that Ross realized he couldn't get the coach he wanted and went into conservative mode to help the next coach.


The alternative is....that he is a cheap bottomline coach that will doom this organization to bottomfeeder staus.
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this guy wants to win. long term hes not going to let spending affect the product on the field. u simply must build the core of your team through the draft, and when the team is ready to win, if necessary, you can add a couple of pieces through free agency. its how the colts, packers, and steelers have always done it. if we add players in free agency when the core isnt intact and no franchise quarterback to build around, all we do is jeopardize the future by pulling out a couple meaningless wins when this team isnt ready to compete. sparanos first year is a perfect example:

we put pennington under center (a guy that had no future with this franchise) and we went out and spent alot of money on free agents smiley, wilford, starks, etc we end up having a nice season in a year brady goes down and we have a weak schedule, and now all of a sudden expectations rise, and we are picking at the bottom of the draft for NO REASON. we werent ready. parcells had built a house of cards. and instead of playing henne in his first year and getting an idea of how he would perform, and putting us in a position to pick a BJ Raji to solidify our interior line, or Brian Orakpo to team up opposite cameron wake, or josh freeman at quarterback - we end up picking at the bottom of the draft.
 
The whole premise of the OP theory is ridiculous. The team sucks despite Ross. It would be interesting to know who was reporting this. Who are these sources.
The one rumor I think has some validity is Ross deciding not to pay Orton, plus the 4th round pick. Right now it looks like the right move.
 
hightempo said:
this guy wants to win. long term hes not going to let spending affect the product on the field. u simply must build the core of your team through the draft, and when the team is ready to win, if necessary, you can add a couple of pieces through free agency. its how the colts, packers, and steelers have always done it. if we add players in free agency when the core isnt intact and no franchise quarterback to build around, all we do is jeopardize the future by pulling out a couple meaningless wins when this team isnt ready to compete. sparanos first year is a perfect example:

we put pennington under center (a guy that had no future with this franchise) and we went out and spent alot of money on free agents smiley, wilford, starks, etc we end up having a nice season in a year brady goes down and we have a weak schedule, and now all of a sudden expectations rise, and we are picking at the bottom of the draft for NO REASON. we werent ready. parcells had built a house of cards. and instead of playing henne in his first year and getting an idea of how he would perform, and putting us in a position to pick a BJ Raji to solidify our interior line, or Brian Orakpo to team up opposite cameron wake, or josh freeman at quarterback - we end up picking at the bottom of the draft.
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I agree with much of what you said, however I don't think it is a given what kind of owner we have yet.

There is simply not enough history yet of him as an NFL owner to assume one way or the other.

As I said, I hope he was doing the smart thing.
 
BlueFin said:
I agree with much of what you said, however I don't think it is a given what kind of owner we have yet.

There is simply not enough history yet of him as an NFL owner to assume one way or the other.

As I said, I hope he was doing the smart thing.
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we dont know for sure. thats accurate. but if u look at what we do know, the signs seem to indicate some promising things. one of the first things he did was bring in a guy that was part of an organization in the boston red sox that didnt have much life 10 years ago, and is now one of the premier clubs in MLB with an outstanding gameday atmosphere. Ross recognized this as a major problem with the dolphins and hes correct. the atmosphere at games was stale. same old stupid music - the place was stuck in the past. no atmosphere. i understand we all just want to win, but there is more that goes into a stadium atmosphere that helps create that energy that buzz than just simply winning - and its missing in miami. he knows he has to bring that aspect up to par - clearly hes trying to address this moving forward and its the correct move. as far as the celebrity thing - yes we as fans dont care. i get it. and some of the people he brought in (buffet) he was a little out of touch with perhaps. but in reality, its not a bad line of thinking. nothing is better for business than word of mouth historically -especially in this age of social media. who better to ultimately promote his product than people who are both personally vested in it and mainstream themselves? its a good move. its a bold move. its forward thinking. and it hasnt taken hold yet. but it can. and when this franchise starts winning it will become an attraction for some people (yes not us - but it will be for many)

ross also made an attempt to bring harbaugh aboard, and imo it was the right move. harbaugh is going to get a TON of respect from his players. the guy is a winner, and hes won as both a player and a coach. and hes tough. unfortunately harbaugh was never leaving california, but that was one guy ross had to talk to and HE DID. so what if the media ripped him apart. he did what he felt he needed to do to improve his franchise (which is what we want btw). it didnt work out. he didnt panic. he went to plan B - gave sparano an extension, and clearly limited spending on moves that werent clear upgrades to the franchise (ortons vetoed contract) seemingly in order to position this franchise for the future and/or the next head coach.

yes its POSSIBLE he just didnt want to spend the money. that just doesnt seem the most likely explanation. if thats the case, then why even extend sparano? clearly he wasnt sold on the guy as it was - why give him more money? especially when everyone and their brother knows hes wasnt going to be back if the dolphins werent in the playoffs. WHY extend the guy??? BECAUSE its NOT really about the money!! the guy does care about the franchise and he wants to win. he wants to get it right - the evidence seems to point in this direction.

sure we dont know absolutely. but what has he done thats truly been a mistake in reality? nothing yet. time will tell. its still early, and he hasnt even had the opportunity to hire his first head coach. lets see how things turn out over the next 2 years to have a more accurate gauge of ross
 
After re-watching that press conference with Ross in the middle of Ireland and Sparano, announcing the contract extension thru 2013, it was obvious that Ross felt bad about letting Sparano twist in the wind while he was courting Harbaugh. He also wanted to give Tony some credibility with the players which the extension kinda sorta did. I also think he was trying to repair his image as an owner, for future HC candidates that would be part of the organization. It was his way of owning up to a bad, naive decision in trying to keep the meeting with Harbaugh a secret. You certainly don't want to be known as a backstabbing, jerk of an owner, who would work for a boss like that? While I am devastated that my teams season is over a lousy 4 ganes into the season, I will be interested to see how this all unfolds and what moves Mr. Ross has up his sleeves.
 
Yes, because this is how rich people get rich. They buy
a franchise at high value and purposely drive down the value of
it.

Jimmany christmans these posts.....
 
dlockz said:
then he is the dumbest owner on earth. All he had to do was offer more to a guy like Cowher and he could have had his man. so in all liklihood he will be paying even more because he will be paying two coaches
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Not if he didn't want him or had not decided yet.
 
Finland said:
Not if he didn't want him or had not decided yet.
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Her had plenty of time still to decide , giving sparano an extension was the worst possible move and it gained us nothing because people know Sparano was a dead man walking and still is
 
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I'd say Ross gave Ireland too much money to spend, not too little
 
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