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did saban teach belichick how to run a defense?

lol. wiggy relax buddy. im not sayin nick is responsible for the pats sb. but apparently he has learned from saban as im sure nick has learned from him. but it just seems funny that the browns d wasnt as good when nick left. could be wrong but why didnt he win a super bowl till he inherited parcells team and they lost bledsoe. funny he also had a habit of talkin to saban. and seemed to like drafting saban players here and there
 
Look, Saban's a "disciple" of Bill's only in the fact that Bill was his head coach in Cleveland.

A few things:

Bill has said to the press that "Nick is the best football mind I've known".

Saban was the DC for Bill in Cleveland. Nick ran the defense...not Belicheck (sp?...eh, I don't care about the spelling:) )

Did you know that Little Bill left Cleveland (where he didn't do terrible) to be the DC at NYJ with Parcells as the HC because he was promised the HC job when Big Bill retired in a couple years? Also that the job change happened right AFTER Saban took a HC job in college? Coincidence.......well, yes! :tongue:

The "player evalutation" that both Saban and Bill use was designed by BOTH of them. They have both stated as much. Saban also said some of that came from Buddy Ryan from his time in Houston when he was DB coach for Buddy's Def. It's just that Bill has been very successful with it on the pro level, as has Saban on the college level, but Bill get more press about it on a "national" level simply because it's the NFL. Saban also got coverage on it but it was always on a regional and state level simply because it's college

Saban and Belicheck have different ideas about offense. They aren't major differences but they aren't the same either.

They are close friends and Bill is on record as saying that he picked the mind of Saban EVERY summer about not only personnel but also about schemes to run with certain pesonnel. Now Saban also picked Bill's mind on practice techniques used on the pro level and their changes every year as he ran his college programs the same a pro programs. Can you see a little difference in who might have gotten more out of these conversations.

Yep, they are alike in some ways, many actually but ONE thing I'm positive of Belicheck did NOT teach Saban everything "Saban knows" about football. This is what I feel most people mean when they say "disciple" or "mentor". I just think they are great friends, with like minds, who used eachother on different levels to improve their teams (Saban on offseason and Bill mostly on personel coming to the pro level)

Just in case you didn't know, I'm not in the Saban is a genius stable at this time. I'm still in the "let's see how he does during the season before we name him the best thing since sliced bread, but what we've seen so far we like a lot" group.
 
zephon said:
but what we've seen so far we like a lot"[/B] group.
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What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
 
WiGGy said:
What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
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it's a general attitude that we haven't had since Shula honestly.

Shula ran the team with respect and I feel Saban does the same thing.

JJ ran it with fear and that doesn't work on anyone who's been in the league more than 3-4 years. Saban is just not that way.

Wanny was the complete opposite of JJ. He ran the team with kindness...and yes, respect but his general love of the players overrode the respect factor and the players had lost that for him. They still like the guy a lot but if your players don't respect what you are trying to coach and teach them then that coach WILL fail. Wanny is proof of that. I feel Saban will always will keep that as he wont let the team itself down by allowing his personal feelings to get in the way.

Anyway, that's what I've seen so far.

Oh, he's also been able to bring in a much larger group of FA then anyone expected because we simply didn't have the cap space....and they seem like FAs that can have an impact on the team.

These are positves. So like I said, I'm please with what he's done so far (general team attitude) but I am not going to annoint him the next Lombardi until I see what happens during the regular season (actually, to compare him to Lombardi he'll have to be very very good for a # of years.)

BTW, hopefully that answers your question. At least that's what I've seen (that was your question right?)
 
WiGGy said:
What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
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It's all about how the team is being run. In the papers and also the fans reports of what they have seen from practice. Are you a Patriots fan??? Sounds like it. The difference between the Wanny era and now the Saban era has been stated over and over again by the press and fans and that is what us Dolfans have seen ( or read about). Saban has been a success with every team he has coached so what would lead us to believe that he wont be successfull in Miami. Untill he stinks it up all he has done is succeed and there is no reason to think he wont again.
 
WiGGy said:
What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
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well, Come on WiGGy...you made such a big deal out of it. Were's your big response that you've been laying on all the other people on this thread?
 
wiggy. nobody is declaring nick the next lombardi. we just love the dolphins. i know i do. probably enough to warrent a restraining order. lol. jk. we just want the best for our team and there appears to be reason to have great ammounts of hope.
 
WiGGy said:
Yeah your right, Saban is the true mastermind behind everything Belichick has accomplished. :rolleyes: After years of heartache in Miami I guess you have a right to spin everything positive in regsrds to the Dolphins.
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WiGGy said:
What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
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How about his practices, which ever reporter has said is more energetic than any practice Wanny ever did. Or maybe the coaches he put together? He did enough to have Scheffler (sp?) guarentee at least 9-7 after viewing 1 practice. Hes done alot more then you think.
 
WiGGy said:
What have you seen? They have yet to play one game. It's all hype right now, nobody has seen anything yet to judge him good or overhyped.
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It's really not that complicated. Both men are extremely bright and enjoy bouncing ideas off of one another.

As for BB depending on Saban as his college connection. BB believes in the power of networking. All offseason he visits different univiersities to develop relationships with the coaching staffs.

That's important in all areas of life. Nobody EVER became successful isolated on an island. Success depends on our ability to align with other talented individuals.

Saban will be a very good coach in this league. It's not a matter of if, its just a matter of when.
 
All I know is that when they played the Rams and when they played the Colts, BB has said in press conferences that he uses the same type of scheme against those teams that he used to shut down the 1990 Bills.

So his defense goes back before he was teamed up with Saban.

The simple answer to this is that Both guys use alot of deception when calling a defense. Thats why they both like LB's that can do everything good. Maybe not Great at any single thing, but good at everything.
 
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