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Do you want to know what is Insulting? (I am pissed off)

Typical homer response.

Fact is, marino was overrated.

In the big games, meaning the playoffs, he underperformed. He did not take the team to the next level and was outgunned.

Oh, and before Marino was drafted, the Fins ranked in the top 5 in rushing, so don't bring up that "he didn't have a running abck crap".

Read this and shove it in your blowholes:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=57

Marino is, of course, the greatest regular-season quarterback in NFL history. He holds records in every meaningful career and single-season statistical category. But he never got it done in crunch time, and his failure to win a Super Bowl is a black mark in Miami history. Marino is, quite simply, the greatest player in North American sports never to win a championship.

DollFans have created an entire Mythology of Marino to explain this failure. They say he had no defense, no running game, no supporting cast. It sounds good on paper, but it’s just not true. Fortunately, the Cold, Hard Football Facts worship in a different temple, one where raw numbers and reality reign as Zeus and Apollo. They easily debunked the four biggest myths perpetuated by the cult of Dan Marino.

Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league’s No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That’s a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino’s playing days.

Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.

In Marino’s record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league’s No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.

There’s no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that’s the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had no running game.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.

In Marino’s rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.

It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino’s career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino’s arm.

But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino’s 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.

In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That’s a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino’s career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England’s two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.

Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.

Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.

If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.

Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.

Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.

Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.

In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.

So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed.
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.


And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.


Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.






There...I feel better.

AMEN!!!!! :hi5: :friday:
 
FINSBLOW said:
Edited By Admin, because FINSBLOW is a
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I'M SORRY, DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING???
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.


And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.


Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.









There...I feel better.


tell us how you REALLY feel
:)
 
Section126 said:
And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.
There...I feel better.

Anyone who does that doesnt deserve to be in the HOF. If he did that my respect for him would drop down to nothing.
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.


And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.


Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.






There...I feel better.

^ This man for MAYOR
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.


And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.


Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.






There...I feel better.





Great post! :clap:
 
To explain the stupid point of view of those who say Montana is better than Marino based on the fact whe won the SB MVP and Dan did not.

Then Dilfer, Warner, and Brad Johnson are far better than Manning, Culpepper, and McNabb, but I am so wrong, because right now I would preffer any of the last four on my team. Not to mention that by the same argument Brady is the Jordan of the NFL, 3 rings!, I guess the rest of the New England team did not count for anything.

Finally, the west coast offense San Francisco implemented with high succes is like the Denver Broncos running game, you can play almost any NFL caliber player and they will look amazing. Montana, Young, Garcia and even Rattay had flashes of greatness. I suppose even Fiedler (ok, maybe not) could look great on that system with all those weapons.
 
tucker said:
wow..to really say montana isnt deservable to be in the same crowd as marino, is pretty ignorant


He threw 6 yard passes pretty well.


I am sick of all the sucking up to a guy that threw 6 yard passes all day.

Wanna Laugh? Tom Brady is twice as good as Montana ever was and he can't move at all!!!!

I saw his whole career...can't push that turkey on me.

Put Joe Montana on the Colts in 1980 and today nobody would know who he was becasue he would have been out of the league in 6 years....


A SYSTEM QUARTERBACK...he is no different than all the different Denver runningbacks that rack up all that yardage every year.
 
you know, all this talk about montana and young got me to thinking about which one was better of the 2.

I believe it was Young.

While a majority of people will disagree with me, if you look at both guys objectively....Young had a higher QB rating EVERY year he played for SF, ran the ball better, has a comparable # of SB rings and arguably ran Bill Walsh's Vertical Passing Attack better than Montana.

Now it's not all one sided for Young. Montana IMO was better at coming back late in games (baiscally I think he was a touch more clutch). Joe Montana was also one of the most personable players in NFL history.

The biggest downside I see in their comparison though is the fact that Young followed a HOF QB in Montana (who most certainly deserves to be there, both of them). That's got to be one of the hardest things to do. Up untill last season Jay Fiedler (this is the only time Jay will be mentioned in a comparison of HOF QBs :) ) had one of the best winning percentages for a starting QB in history but he followed the greatest PURE passer of all time. Point being that SF management actually choose Young over Montana even though he played for like another 4 years with KC. That didn't sit well with the fans. Couple that with the fact that Young was never happy sitting beind Montana (fans knew that) AND Young ceratainly didn't have the personality that Montana did and Young was doomed from a fan likeability standpoint.

Anyway ( I went overboard again to prove my point), Steve Young was a better QB than Joe Montana.
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.


And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.


Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.






There...I feel better.

If you really want to feel better, do yourself a favor and just stop watching the 4 letter network. I went cold turkey last season and it was very liberating. It's grerat starting the game relatively calm. Free yourself of the HYPE, mindless blather, of the nit-noy minutia, only ex-players care about, and free yourself of the endless cross promotion of other ESPN crap. Every commercial break has at least 4 spots for their other shows, and God help you if an ESPN original series is airing.I limit my self to PTI and a couple of hit of ESPN News to get scores.

If you want somewhat impartial coverage, watch NFL Network. Trust me, you’ll be glad you did. :D
 
Section I'm glad you started this thread, I can't believe the lack of respect ESPN has shown Dan, I offer you a quote from Montana's coach when comparing him to Dan.
"Montana was the best QB in a system, Marino was the system".
I think that says it all.
 
Section126 said:
What is insulting is that Steve Young will be inducted on the same day as Dan Marino.

What is insulting is that every single commentator this week (the week of Marino's induction) on ESPN has taken to ranking Marino below the top five alltime.

What is insulting is that a rag arm skinny luckbox piece of crap like Joe Montana even gets mentioned in the same breath.

What is insulting is that they equate Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, and Terrell Owens to Kareem Abdul jabbar, Sammy Smith, Irving Fryar, Bobby Ingram, and Tony Martin.

What is insulting is that they say that HE is somehow responsible for not winning a championship.

What is insulting is that a guy that was a run of the mill pro bowl quarterback....vaults to THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME because he has a runningback run for 5 million yards a game.

And in closing....When he is inducted he should pass by Montana's and Young's bust and spit on them.

Screw Montana, Screw Young, Screw Elway and while you are at it....Screw Brady and Manning too.

Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all-time and if you disagree......screw you.

There...I feel better.
Best....Thread....Ever :hi5:
 
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