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Does Zach Thomas belong in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame?

That was more of an indictment of a ****ty QB and a ****ty coach.

The ****ty coach and the ****ty QB certainly didn't help matters, but that defense couldn't get a stop in a big spot if their families lives depended on it. Most overrated defense I've ever seen (and it really pains me to say that... But its true).
 
I don't get how of all people fins fans can say he doesn't deserve it. Zach Thomas wad one of the greatest football players ever. Of course he deserves to be in the hof. The guys picture should be in the dictionary for the definition of a football player. He played hurt, he worked harder than everyone else and he left it all on the field every single game. He very well may be my all time favorite dolphins player, Marino had the talent, but I just loved Thomas's attitude and the fact he was always around the ball. I remember hearing Peyton manning saying he was the smartest defender in the league, pretty much the Peyton manning of defenses. Dude was putting up numbers comparable to ray Lewis and Brian urlacher, I don't think anyones asking if those two are gonna be hofers.

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People need to realize just because a guy works hard and 'leaves it all on the field' doesn't mean he's a HOF'er. The HOF is for GREAT, SPECIAL players. GREAT. Not GOOD. Zach was good. You could say he was really good. But he wasn't great.
 
So we got some fans repeating the same comments that started this loosing slide when they chose to run Shula out of town. Shula worked for a owner who was miser, endured some fairly horrible drafts that make Ireland look like a genuis and basically coached 2 teams that did nothing but win. He won some of those years because of a defence, other years running the ball and later basically with the West Coast offense before there was a west coast offense we have today littered rules to protect the QB and recievers. Every year was a given that we had home field advantage because the players were in shape and diciplined. Also let me add you just could not buy a team like you do today in the NBA and the NFL you had to develop your players you drafted. That being Shula was not afraid to try something new when the opportunity presented itself and yes he was one of the first to try free agency out. I was around and studied the drafts when we had under Marinio and Shula and they were piss poor compared to some of the medocre drafts many of the fans around here have complained about these past few years. Yea I am saying and have been saying the coaching has been the issue coaching has been the issue around here for quite awhile. Dansby goes to Arizona after leaving here and is all pro, Vonte Davis is ranked in the upper tier of cb's and we got rid of him not because of the GM who drafted him but because of a coach who did not want to coach him. Shula coached talent he did not let his ego dictate the talent he coached, so if I am not fond of getting rid a Pouncy or some other talented player because he does not fit some happy media profile I am fond of its because I have been around long enough to see real coaching make a difference and a huge difference when that coaching had real talent to coach.
I will agree with anyone on this site to when they can show that we are upgrading a position weather coaching or player but its get darn tiring to read about just changing to the flavor of the month.
 
don shula was a GREAT GREAT head coach......but a very very mediocre gm. those drafts in the mid to late 80's were absolutely awful for the most part.
 
People need to realize just because a guy works hard and 'leaves it all on the field' doesn't mean he's a HOF'er. The HOF is for GREAT, SPECIAL players. GREAT. Not GOOD. Zach was good. You could say he was really good. But he wasn't great.
Zach Thomas was the same MLB that was too small and too slow to make it in the NFL and he played lights out behind some of the biggest D lineman in the league. He ran side line to side line and gave it his all. If he doesn't make it in the hall of fame he is will still be my favorite dolphin all time over the great Dan Marino. That is just my opinion.
 
So we got some fans repeating the same comments that started this loosing slide when they chose to run Shula out of town. Shula worked for a owner who was miser, endured some fairly horrible drafts that make Ireland look like a genuis and basically coached 2 teams that did nothing but win. He won some of those years because of a defence, other years running the ball and later basically with the West Coast offense before there was a west coast offense we have today littered rules to protect the QB and recievers. Every year was a given that we had home field advantage because the players were in shape and diciplined. Also let me add you just could not buy a team like you do today in the NBA and the NFL you had to develop your players you drafted. That being Shula was not afraid to try something new when the opportunity presented itself and yes he was one of the first to try free agency out. I was around and studied the drafts when we had under Marinio and Shula and they were piss poor compared to some of the medocre drafts many of the fans around here have complained about these past few years. Yea I am saying and have been saying the coaching has been the issue coaching has been the issue around here for quite awhile. Dansby goes to Arizona after leaving here and is all pro, Vonte Davis is ranked in the upper tier of cb's and we got rid of him not because of the GM who drafted him but because of a coach who did not want to coach him. Shula coached talent he did not let his ego dictate the talent he coached, so if I am not fond of getting rid a Pouncy or some other talented player because he does not fit some happy media profile I am fond of its because I have been around long enough to see real coaching make a difference and a huge difference when that coaching had real talent to coach.
I will agree with anyone on this site to when they can show that we are upgrading a position weather coaching or player but its get darn tiring to read about just changing to the flavor of the month.

You're just missing one thing: Shula ran the draft for the Dolphins. He had full control over football operations.
 
Zach Thomas was the same MLB that was too small and too slow to make it in the NFL and he played lights out behind some of the biggest D lineman in the league. He ran side line to side line and gave it his all. If he doesn't make it in the hall of fame he is will still be my favorite dolphin all time over the great Dan Marino. That is just my opinion.

Well said, exactly my feelings also.
 
Still always fun to watch this video: [video=youtube;zTQOPcJWC4A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQOPcJWC4A[/video]

That sack at the knees looked painful (think it was Kelly). And anybody notice all those helmet to helmets? I just started to really get into watching every game in my late teens (around 04, yea, great time to start), so I've pretty much only seen the new era NFL. Lol, I just kept thinking over and over in that video 'oh, there's a penalty.' Wow, how things have changed in such a short time....
 
I honestly don't think he will because of how he played with Ray Lewis and Urlacher during his career. Him having a terrible overall record doesn't help either.
 
That defense Miami put out during Thomas and JT's tenure were, for the most part, chokers. There's no debating that. However, to put Thomas ahead of JT is silly. JT had dominant years. Zach was just a tackling machine.

I'll take a 1.5 - 2 sack day from JT over a 14 tackle day from Zach any Sunday.

will you take all those 0 fers to...when we needed taylor to step up the most???
 
and whats with the zach thomas was no better than jamie sharper stuff...ha ha

thats crazy...zach thomas was instinctual as any lb that played the game...he just had physical and athletic limitations that guys like ray lewis did not...and as such never got to quite that level as a player

he blew away sharper though...

and jason taylor no showed in just about every big game he ever played...
 
To say he is not worthy because of one play is dumb. If the qb didn't throw dumb pics we would have won that viking game. #54 is a hall of fame LB. He is the guy you want flying around. ZT is the Man.
He better get in.
 
and whats with the zach thomas was no better than jamie sharper stuff...ha ha

thats crazy...zach thomas was instinctual as any lb that played the game...he just had physical and athletic limitations that guys like ray lewis did not...and as such never got to quite that level as a player

he blew away sharper though...

and jason taylor no showed in just about every big game he ever played...





But so did ZT. Those defenses folded like cheap suits come January.

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To say he is not worthy because of one play is dumb. If the qb didn't throw dumb pics we would have won that viking game. #54 is a hall of fame LB. He is the guy you want flying around. ZT is the Man.
He better get in.


Not one play, but many January games he and those defenses folded. Period.
 
You're just missing one thing: Shula ran the draft for the Dolphins. He had full control over football operations.

No I am not missing that point at all like I indicated Shula was a great coach with many bad draft picks. General Mgr skills and coaching skills are two different animals and his coaching skills allowed him to eke out the talent out of his players like no other coach. Shula showed he had the ablility to change with the times. The current WCO we have decided to run is creating the same issues we had with Marinio under the helm less some of the winning of course and that was we were not able to run the ball or stop the run back in those days and by the end of the year our defenses physically fell apart from being on the field too long becasue of the offense. One of the more dynamic things we did then and not now is that our running game became a extention of our passing games so guys like Troy Straford, Stanley Prichett while not gaining a ton of yards on the ground were superior at catching the ball out of the backfield for 4-5 yards and keeping the pressure off Dan with short dump passes. Something I believe would help Ryann T a bunch if we could reinvent on out current team.
 
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