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Dolphins are finalizing a deal with former Jets S Ashtyn Davis.

MrClean said:
Elite safeties are all well and good, but the UFA safeties who just had big paydays, were originally drafted in the 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. You can find good enough safeties without using 1st Rounders on them.
The Eagles starting safeties in 2024 were originally a 4th rounder, CJ Gardner-Johnson, and a UDFA, Reed Blankenship. The KC safeties were 2nd and 3rd rounders. Bryan Cook, and Justin Reid.
Buffalo's safeties were 6th, 2nd, and UDFA. Damar Hamlin, Taylor Rapp, and Cam Lewis.
Washington's safeties were both 2nd Rounders, Quan Martin, and Jeremy Chinn.
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Safeties are like running backs. There’s no need to take one in the first round.
 
djphinfan said:
Unless they are Ed Reed, Troy polumalu, Sean Taylor, Tyrone Mathieu, Charles Woodson, Ronnie Lott..my personal short lived favorite Bob mother Grabbin sanders
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I can see your point.....and those a truly special players (although I think Charles Woodson was an All-Pro corner for many years first).
 
MrClean said:
To be more precise, I should have compared coverage snaps.
Davis had 894 coverage snaps to get 8 picks
Holland had 2,223 to get 5.
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Have you taken a dive into his game yet, does he get run over?

Missed tackles?

Is he any good overall ?
 
Feverdream said:
Taking this one step further...

I think these signings should keep us from drafting a safety until the third day of the draft. At the very least, it should take us out of the box safety market... At this point, I'd only draft a Free Safety type. With both McMorris and Melifonwu as obvious box safeties who should stick and Cambell as an all-purpose and special teamer, any draftee should be a ball-hawking deep safety. As it is, we have 4 safeties who are almost guaranteed to stick. At best, we only need one more for our final roster.

Bring in a couple guys as late rounders or UDFAs and call it a day.
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I agree that we probably shouldn't take a S in round 1 but disagree that we should wait until day 3, especially if we want to use the 2 safeties we signed this week and Campbell as a reason to wait.

Davis was a part time starter for the Jets. The 8 picks are great but there are obviously reasons he's not a full time starter
The S we got from the Lions, Melinfonwu, has an extensive injury history.
Campbell is a special teamer
McMorris is raw with very little experience, I thought he looked great in the '24 preseason but we didn't see enough of him when the games counted.

Rounds 2 and 3 could have options for long term starters (and upgrades) at safety including Andrew Mukuba, Xavier Watts, Sebastian Castro and Kevin Winston Jr.

After watching the awful safety play last year, I think this team would benefit from a young safety without the injury baggage who we can make into a longtime starter

If we were to sign Julian Blackmon to a 2 year deal I'd change my mind on this but I doubt Grier spends more money on this position.
 
Finswatch said:
I agree that we probably shouldn't take a S in round 1 but disagree that we should wait until day 3, especially if we want to use the 2 safeties we signed this week and Campbell as a reason to wait.

Davis was a part time starter for the Jets. The 8 picks are great but there are obviously reasons he's not a full time starter
The S we got from the Lions, Melinfonwu, has an extensive injury history.
Campbell is a special teamer
McMorris is raw with very little experience, I thought he looked great in the '24 preseason but we didn't see enough of him when the games counted.

Rounds 2 and 3 could have options for long term starters (and upgrades) at safety including Andrew Mukuba, Xavier Watts, Sebastian Castro and Kevin Winston Jr.

After watching the awful safety play last year, I think this team would benefit from a young safety without the injury baggage who we can make into a longtime starter

If we were to sign Julian Blackmon to a 2 year deal I'd change my mind on this but I doubt Grier spends more money on this position.
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I wouldn't cry if we took one, indeed, I like Watts a lot, but safeties are so cheap, and we have many needs.

I'd put it below our needs on both lines, CB and TE.
 
dan the fin said:
I don't think the worst. I am calculated in my thinking. Usually more then glass full on most things Dolphins. Just done trusting Grier, 20 years of fail.

I like some signing today. But overall it is just another Grier lead crap show. And it isn't just the individual signings this year, but is the cumulative crap show that Grier has created. Ia hate loosing and in my heart I will cheer for a win every weak no matter what, but at thus point there is this thing in the back of my mind saying maybe a **** show is best to get rid of our bozo GM.
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So, usually glass half full, but never when it comes to anything Grier does? Whatever works for ya.
 
djphinfan said:
Have you taken a dive into his game yet, does he get run over?

Missed tackles?

Is he any good overall ?
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IMO, no, no worse than average, and yes. He has a nose for the ball going all the way back to Cal. IMO, the ability to take the ball away from the offense is of paramount importance for a safety/
 
MrClean said:
So, usually glass half full, but never when it comes to anything Grier does? Whatever works for ya.
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Man it isn't even half full. 20 years this guy has been in Miami and zero playoff wins. 10 years as GM, zero playoff wins, on his 3rd HC (never happens in the NFL) with zero playoff wins.

That glass is frigging bone dry, and he can fill it just half full when he builds a team that wins a playoff game.
 
dan the fin said:
It is about balance. I am far more sunny on most things Dolphins. But I have had enough of the Grier plan. Hated the hire at the time, said okay we will see. Gase was the first HC fail, people said well Tannabum wanted that, me okay one more chance at HC. Hired Flores, well then it was Flores was just a bad person or whatever. This is absolutely were Grier should have been shown the door. Nope let him hire another HC. He is just a horrible GM. We are an old team, bloated contracts on vets, very little young guys to take over. Now we are again trying to dig out of a hole created by Grier with bargin deals on injury prone players. We are stuck in purgatory, old, injury prone, bad cap and a middling team and that is were Grier will keeps us.

Like I keep saying. Answer a few questions.
1.) Find me a current GM that has been allowed to fire 2 HCs with zero playoff wins?

2.) Find me a GM in the NFL with 10 years on the job without a playoff win?

3. Find me a GM that was hired in the first place while working for the same organization (yep your Miami Dolphins) for 10 years with out a playoff win?

He doesn't know what a winning culture is and has never been able to create one. I for one don't trust crap with him at all any more. 20 years of failure is enough.
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I understand the frustration. And I understand the discomfort with Grier. But I am able to appreciate the positive moves as well as criticizing the negative moves. And since we are stuck with Grier and McD for another season it does no good to dwell exclusively on the negative..it’s unhealthy and unproductive .
 
dan the fin said:
Man it isn't even half full. 20 years this guy has been in Miami and zero playoff wins. 10 years as GM, zero playoff wins, on his 3rd HC (never happens in the NFL) with zero playoff wins.

That glass is frigging bone dry, and he can fill it just half full when he builds a team that wins a playoff game.
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Man...

...look, I wanted Grier gone after last season, but let's be serious.

Blaming him for anything that happened over ten years ago is like blaming my sister for the Kennedy assassination. She was two, but she was alive and in the Northern Hemisphere, so maybe.

Anyone who wants a reasonable take on things knows that he's been in charge of the drafts since 2019. There's plenty of stuff to blame Grier for. Hyperbole isn't necessary.
 
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