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MrClean said:
I'd take Membou, Campbell, or Banks in that order at 13, and not worry about it. Good chance all will be solid rookie starters depending on who drafts them and the positions they play.
We all rightfully love us some Membou, but with Banks, there seems to be a lot of paralysis by (over) analysis.
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"Analysis paralysis"
What a "meaningful mouthful". - LOL
 
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MrClean said:
We all know what they say about what opinions are like, but that has to be the most inaccurate opinion on those three I have ever seen. Flabbergasted. Dumbfounded. Gobsmacked. Astonished.
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This took 20 second for me to find after reading your response. Each player you want he projected to do far better at guard. Now, drafting a guard at 13 wouldn't be a problem, if we didn't have such massive issues across the board. We can take guard in the 2nd or 3rd, we are a zone blocking team (although not my preference) thus those type of lineman outside of tackles don't need to be first rounders. This draft doesn't have awesome top tier OL talent. It does have awesome, EDGE and DT talent, we will not have Chubb this year (likely) and Phillips is good player when healthy....but, every game he plays I'm surprised more when he isn't hurt.

 
MARINO1384 said:
Yup tape doesn’t lie. Everyone says I hate on Jaxon Dart but everyone had him as a 4thish round guy while everyone was watching film, now all of a sudden he’s being talked about as potentially a top 10 guy or 1st round pick, a 2nd at worst. I just don’t get it. Did the tape suddenly change? Nope. Just people hyping up certain traits or abilities for no reason.

For a guy like Membou who people had around 15-20 to jump top 10 is fine but when you have guys jumping 2 full rounds.
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Bingo! - LOL
 
Mr Fan said:
This took 20 second for me to find after reading your response. Each player you want he projected to do far better at guard. Now, drafting a guard at 13 wouldn't be a problem, if we didn't have such massive issues across the board. We can take guard in the 2nd or 3rd, we are a zone blocking team (although not my preference) thus those type of lineman outside of tackles don't need to be first rounders. This draft doesn't have awesome top tier OL talent. It does have awesome, EDGE and DT talent, we will not have Chubb this year (likely) and Phillips is good player when healthy....but, every game he plays I'm surprised more when he isn't hurt.

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Copying and pasting because still relevant and you didn’t respond to the first one although maybe you just got on

I don’t understand the discontent in drafting a guard at 13?

It’s the second most valueable position on our offense behind qb with the way McDaniel uses them heavily in swinging out on tosses, screens and most importantly we have a pocket passer who gets the ball out quickly making inside line play more important than tackles. Tua stands a chance of getting the ball out and completing it with outside pressure, however everything is disrupted with inside pressure like last year.

Our run game goes to ****, our deep passing game goes to ****, we have probably like the worst 3rd and and 4th and short running completion % than probably any other team in nfl history.

Is it the old myth that great guards can be found later in the draft? I’m not really seeing it. This is more true for power run teams that look for big run maulers. For a finesse team like us that would value athletic pass blockers, they aren’t too common as we are mostly looking at former tackles. The best two guards of the last decade in Quentin Nelson and future hall of famer Zach martin were both first round top 20 picks.

Is it they are a cheaper position? Because again that’s not true. We just saw the most successful team in the last decade franchise their guard for 23 million and we lost our own good guard for 20 million last season to another team.

I just don’t get, it makes no sense to me, multiple people have shrugged off guard at 13 and it just makes no sense to me. It’s by far our biggest need and there’s some talented high floor players who’s scouting report label them as potential all pro guards so can someone please explain the reluctance to pick one when it’s not only our biggest need but our most important need.

Sure Membou and Banks are both projected as better guards but not slightly above average the term pro bowl and all pro are being used before the word guard. I just need an answer on how pro bowl and all pro caliber guard, our biggest and most important need isn’t worth it at 13?
 
Ray R said:
Slight correction required.

"I think he has to fully extend his arm to get his wallet filled"
There, that's better. - LOL
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I wish there was a way to block someone from quoting your posts, or even reading them
 
MARINO1384 said:
Yup tape doesn’t lie. Everyone says I hate on Jaxon Dart but everyone had him as a 4thish round guy while everyone was watching film, now all of a sudden he’s being talked about as potentially a top 10 guy or 1st round pick, a 2nd at worst. I just don’t get it. Did the tape suddenly change? Nope. Just people hyping up certain traits or abilities for no reason.

For a guy like Membou who people had around 15-20 to jump top 10 is fine but when you have guys jumping 2 full rounds.
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5 QBs were taken before the 13th pick last year. Despite that, there are still a ton of teams who need a QB. Ward is probably QB3 in a regular year. Sanders is a day 2 guy. That leaves guys like Milroe, Dart, Ewers, Howard, McCord, etc. as the “developmental” QBs. Of that group of players I would argue Dart is probably the most talented thrower. Milroe has the most upside, but he is basically Justin Fields 2.0 at this point.

The overall lack of QB talent is going to shoot guys up boards. It wouldn’t shock me if Dart went before Sanders. Not because he is a 1st round talent, but because he seems easier to manage than Sanders will.
 
MARINO1384 said:
Copying and pasting because still relevant and you didn’t respond to the first one although maybe you just got on

I don’t understand the discontent in drafting a guard at 13?

It’s the second most valueable position on our offense behind qb with the way McDaniel uses them heavily in swinging out on tosses, screens and most importantly we have a pocket passer who gets the ball out quickly making inside line play more important than tackles. Tua stands a chance of getting the ball out and completing it with outside pressure, however everything is disrupted with inside pressure like last year.

Our run game goes to ****, our deep passing game goes to ****, we have probably like the worst 3rd and and 4th and short running completion % than probably any other team in nfl history.

Is it the old myth that great guards can be found later in the draft? I’m not really seeing it. This is more true for power run teams that look for big run maulers. For a finesse team like us that would value athletic pass blockers, they aren’t too common as we are mostly looking at former tackles. The best two guards of the last decade in Quentin Nelson and future hall of famer Zach martin were both first round top 20 picks.

Is it they are a cheaper position? Because again that’s not true. We just saw the most successful team in the last decade franchise their guard for 23 million and we lost our own good guard for 20 million last season to another team.

I just don’t get, it makes no sense to me, multiple people have shrugged off guard at 13 and it just makes no sense to me. It’s by far our biggest need and there’s some talented high floor players who’s scouting report label them as potential all pro guards so can someone please explain the reluctance to pick one when it’s not only our biggest need but our most important need.

Sure Membou and Banks are both projected as better guards but not slightly above average the term pro bowl and all pro are being used before the word guard. I just need an answer on how pro bowl and all pro caliber guard, our biggest and most important need isn’t worth it at 13?
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The top OGs make more money than the top safeties, TEs and RBs now. Unsure why people think IOL is not a premium position. Have you seen these DL prospects coming out the last decade? Guys continue to get bigger, stronger and faster on defense and pressure up the middle is the bane of even the best QBs.
 
ThePeopleShow13 said:
5 QBs were taken before the 13th pick last year. Despite that, there are still a ton of teams who need a QB. Ward is probably QB3 in a regular year. Sanders is a day 2 guy. That leaves guys like Milroe, Dart, Ewers, Howard, McCord, etc. as the “developmental” QBs. Of that group of players I would argue Dart is probably the most talented thrower. Milroe has the most upside, but he is basically Justin Fields 2.0 at this point.

The overall lack of QB talent is going to shoot guys up boards. It wouldn’t shock me if Dart went before Sanders. Not because he is a 1st round talent, but because he seems easier to manage than Sanders will.
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So, desperation, not quality, defines who gets picked first in a draft.
Who would have guessed that? - LOL
 
GRYPHONK said:
You see, this is why you get busts and steals in the drafts.

A guy like Booker was easily a top 20 pick 2 weeks ago. Now it's sounding like we may be able to get him at 48. He's getting destroyed. He will be a steal for any team that gets him in the 2nd round.

Then you get guys like Zabel. Few weeks ago was a 3rd round prospect. Now he's suddenly a fringe first rounder. I don't think he'll be a bust. I love him at , 48, but he'll be similar to Austin Jackson. Not a first round talent, but need for position will have some team drafting him earlier then he should be.

I'm sticking with my rankings pre combine that was based on actual game play and analysis from actual games. I'm not falling for guys falling because of their RAS score or surging due to the combine.

Look at Sweat from last year. Fringe 1st rounder who because he made a comment about not having issues with his playing weight, suddenly fell. Turned out, his pre combine ranking was accurate and he was a steal.
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I said Booker not at 13 well before the combine, said he was slow out of his stance and if your looking for a phone booth guard then perhaps.
 
Mr Fan said:
This took 20 second for me to find after reading your response. Each player you want he projected to do far better at guard. Now, drafting a guard at 13 wouldn't be a problem, if we didn't have such massive issues across the board. We can take guard in the 2nd or 3rd, we are a zone blocking team (although not my preference) thus those type of lineman outside of tackles don't need to be first rounders. This draft doesn't have awesome top tier OL talent. It does have awesome, EDGE and DT talent, we will not have Chubb this year (likely) and Phillips is good player when healthy....but, every game he plays I'm surprised more when he isn't hurt.

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Well, that is Eric Edholm's opinion. Jeremiah's comp for Will Campbell is Michael Roos. Same height, same short arms, played LT for 9 years, and was a 2x All-Pro.
We don't know how free agency is going to affect the roster. That will partly indicate how we may draft.
The bottom line is that Membou, Campbell, and Banks are all worth the 13th pick and none would be a reach.
 
MrClean said:
Well, that is Eric Edholm's opinion. Jeremiah's comp for Will Campbell is Michael Roos. Same height, same short arms, played LT for 9 years, and was a 2x All-Pro.
We don't know how free agency is going to affect the roster. That will partly indicate how we may draft.
The bottom line is that Membou, Campbell, and Banks are all worth the 13th pick and none would be a reach.
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I wouldnt take banks at 13 jmo, believe there will be better players on the board
 
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